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venusdeindia
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posted February 20, 2009 07:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Californian dream turns into nightmare

By Matthew Garrahan in Los Angeles

Published: February 17 2009 19:49 | Last updated: February 17 2009 23:15

In Contra Costa County, a few miles from San Francisco and the millionaires of Silicon Valley, widespread poverty has returned to California.

Buffeted by a housing collapse and a slumping economy, the county of 1m is struggling to cope with a sharp rise in the number of residents seeking welfare assistance.

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Applications for food stamps – vouchers for low-income earners that can be used to buy food – have risen 65 per cent in the county in the past year. There has been a similar jump in the number of applications for Medi-Cal, which provides health services for the poor, and other welfare programmes.

Like the rest of the Golden State, Contra Costa is fighting a battle on two fronts.

Demand for welfare assistance is rising as the US recession tightens its grip. But the county’s ability to support its residents is being hindered by a spending freeze tied to California’s projected $42bn (€32bn, £29bn) budget deficit – the biggest in the US.

The state has slashed funding for social programmes and postponed thousands of infrastructure projects – such as school, hospital or highway developments – worth more than $21bn. The projects have been put on ice while legislators try to address the shortfall.

Lawmakers have spent the past four days locked in the state’s capitol building in Sacramento to hammer out a budget deal that would raise about $14bn from new taxes and cut spending by a similar amount. A proposal backed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, California’s governor, and state Democrats is one vote shy of being passed.

With the pressure for a new budget mounting, Mr Schwarzenegger on Tuesday began making good on a promise to cut 10,000 jobs from the state’s payroll in an attempt to preserve cash.

In Contra Costa the spending freeze could not have come at a worse moment. “We have had to cut 200 positions and at the same time there has been a huge increase in the number of people seeking help,” says Joe Valentine, director of the employment and human services department in the county.

Many of those seeking assistance are unused to the experience, he says. “We call them the ‘newly poor’. We had a man come in recently who had been a carpenter for 20 years. He had just been laid off and then lost his house.”

California has traditionally been the most prosperous state in the US, but the urgent need to address its budget deficit is exacerbating the impact of the recession on its 36m residents.

The state is in line for a federal bail-out and may receive up to $26bn from the economic stimulus package that passed last week. But the long delay in implementing a new budget has spooked Wall Street and seen California’s credit rating cut to the lowest of any US state. This has made it impossible to sell bonds that are supposed to finance billions of dollars of public works projects that have already been approved by voters.

Some of those projects, such as the redevelopment of schools and prisons, have been put on ice until a budget can be agreed.

“We have really slowed down and have probably let go 150 carpenters and labourers,” says Terry Street, chief executive of Roebbelen Contracting, a Sacramento-based company that has worked on several public projects.

His company was ordered to stop work on a $20m mental health facility that was close to completion and also had to halt construction of a school east of Sacramento.

Postponing these projects is heaping more misery on California’s once-booming construction sector. Unemployment in the state is running at almost 10 per cent but among building workers it is nearer 20 per cent, according to Jim Earp, of the California Alliance for Jobs, which represents contractors and 80,000 workers.

There are also doubts about the state’s ability to continue providing welfare assistance. In Los Angeles County, home to some 10m people, there was a near 25 per cent jump in applications for homeless assistance between June and September last year.

“My members got into this business because they wanted to help people,” says Cathy Senderling-McDonald, of the County Welfare Directors Association of California. “So many families need help ... but there is a big gap between what we can offer them and what they need.”



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c8b15014-fd26-11dd-a103-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

A round of Applause for turing California into a nightmare - no one wants to pay the good- for nothing welfare crowd anymore.My export house has shifted production conclusively and asked the production managment to relocate or get Bangalored

Half of them have taken it and the rest being long timers may be referred to other places hopefully. The finance and other cream departments were supposed to stay but now even that looks doubtful - though the owner has branches in Dubai, Milan and Tokyo so he is hoping to pull off a coup there...


And who is going to suffer the most ?

The ones who cannot afford to be out of jobs.


here is what a member posted in response to the article

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When you base Government revenues on artificial values inflated in Real Estate. And revenues on Sales Taxes based upon Retail Spending, and State income taxes. You are in for a short fall. California's assembly has never seen a Pet Project they did not want to fund, or taxes they did not want to raise. People moved there in the 1980s for the Welfare payments. I know of a Woman who collected Welfare under 9 different fake names, while she held down a full time job. California is a scam that has unraveled. It is a Ponzi Scheme Economy.

Its Costs of doing business have driven small and mid sized businesses out of the State. They will never learn from their mistakes either. Last one out turn out the lights. It also has the worst record for Divorce in the US. The raw data is so grim they won't compile it anymore.


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posted February 20, 2009 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you are here, instead of your idyllic homeland! why??

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posted February 21, 2009 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anyone think I have so much as a particle of sympathy for those living in California who find themselves out of work..and out of luck? Get over any such thoughts. I lived there most of my life..in Southern California and we finally left the state in the early 1980's. I've never been back and don't intend to return.

They wonder why their budget is 42 Billion dollars out of whack. They wonder why they're out of work.

Nothing mysterious there to wonder about. This state is in the firm grip of Marxist Socialists who have punished business with back breaking taxes, regulation of every type and variety, punished the successful for being successful by taking the fruits of their labor away from them to fund idlers, illegal aliens and anyone else with a sob story to tell.

Short version...they've destroyed their tax base by driving successful businesses out of the state..and the jobs which went with them. There is now and has been an exodus of productive, successful citizens to greener pastures.

Of course, this is the Marxist Socialist model of activity. But, the day comes when the sheep object to being sheared and the Geese which lay those golden eggs get tired of having their eggs stolen by the insane ignorance of bloviating, chair warming Marxist Socialists in government. They vote with their feet and say Adios. When they do, there goes the tax base which supported all the excesses of Marxist Socialist government.

Illinois, Michigan and New York should take heed and learn a lesson. Oh wait, too late for that. They've already destroyed their own tax bases by doing the same damned things.

At least Mayor Bloomberg...New York city, has finally gotten a clue. He came out in opposition to a proposed raise in the state income tax. According to Bloomberg, in a city..New York city...a city of about 8 million, he says 40,000 people already pay 50% of the state income taxes and he's afraid of driving those people and businesses out of the state. The rest of the Marxist Socialists will never get it.

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posted February 21, 2009 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VENUS i asked a simple question. because you are always slamming california and the states i wondered why you hang around. i see that america and california are not too far gone for you to recognize where the money is. and how is your plan to suck dollars out of america so you can live in the third world like a rajah contributing to my wealth??

i find your attempting to label me as a knee-jerk reactionary laughable. you come here criticizing women's lib but where do you think your right to work comes from?? perhaps we should go back to the good old days when your opinion would be expressible only to a very few very confidential friends, and your face hidden behind a veil.

my function if you like to call it that is to QUESTION dogma, and you have recently been spewing quite a lot of dogmatic (dare i say spiteful) posts. i wish you luck with your dream of living it up in the midst of poverty and chaos.

and JWHOP, i live in california NOW. like most places yes there are too many regulations. but though i don't know SOUTHERN california, where i live people are thriving in a largely entrepreneurial lifestyle. i do work of my choosing and basically write my own paycheck. i didn't come here for the money or the promised land but because i had family here. i am not rich, but do i care?

as for the welfare good for nothings are either of you aware that welfare comes with a price tag? community service is required of all recipients who do not work a prescribed amount of time. and people who do not work at all are expected to be looking full-time, under supervision. so WHERE is the free money?

i have never lived in florida but i had good friends who grew up there and couldn't get out fast enough. at the time miami was basically being run by bibi larosa, cuban mafia magnate. wonderful life! and do you mean to tell me people are not losing jobs in florida?

do you know that under eisenhower and through the 60's the top tax bracket was around twice what it is today? that was during the heyday of the american dream...my father was in that top tax bracket for many years and believe me there was PLENTY LEFT OVER!! however if the REALLY rich would PAY only 10% taxes, the rest of us would be better off and taxes in general would be lower.

it probably would surprise both of you to know that i was a "post-feminist" before venus was even born..i deplore special privileges for women, or special notice for women who succeed. i consider it only normal for women to be treated equally and carry equal responsibilities with equal rewards. nor have i ever taken a government handout.

i am also one of the least "politically correct" people you will meet. if it were up to me we would have no government at all. personally i think people are capable of getting along without! but funnily every community left to its own devices has historically put their heads together and devised a set of ...regulations!! apart from those whose leadership was decided by brute force.

BUT i believe disagreement can happen without slander, and dividing the world or country into opposing camps is not only childish and stupid, but dangerous. i repeat we are all in this together and if you think you can ignore your evironment while sitting in your versace robe on your marble terrace, yes maybe for awhile. great karma by the way!! ask marie antoinette...

what is happening now is a correction on both ends of the scale, the overregulating "fair" brigade and the overgrasping unrestrained bread-heads. none of it is the end of the world.


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posted February 21, 2009 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you ever bother to check anything you write...before you write it?

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however if the REALLY rich would PAY only 10% taxes, the rest of us would be better off and taxes in general would be lower...katatonic

Fact:
The top 1% of earners in America pay about 40% of all the US Income Taxes.

Fact:
The top 5% of earners in America pay about 60% of all the US income taxes.

Fact:
The top 10% of earners in America pay about 70% of all the US income taxes.

Fact:
The top 25% of earners in America pay about 86% of all the US income taxes.

Fact:
The top 50% of earners in America pay about 97% of all the US income taxes.

Fact:
The top 53% of earners in America pay 100% of all the US income taxes.

Fact:
The bottom 47% of earners in America PAY NO INCOME TAXES WHATSOEVER
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

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yes and the top 1% receive 90% if not more of the income in the country. and can afford to pay for top loophole use as well as offshore hoarding.

and so on.

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posted February 21, 2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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yes and the top 1% receive 90% if not more of the income in the country...katatonic

I'm going to ask you to prove your statement.

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this is a discussion board, not a court of law. like your friend the cartoonist i don't have to prove anything. i too am entitled to my opinions and observations. in any case i doubt there is source i could quote that you wouldn't trash, as i have said before.

and i'm not going to show my tax returns either but if i am not in that bottom 47% i would be very surprised and - guess what - i pay taxes!

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Right katatonic. I didn't think you had any facts to back up what you alleged....that 1% of Americans make 90%...or more of the income in the US.

You're just flat wrong. If every property, every bank account, every trading account. every penny of the top 1% of American earners were confiscated by the Federal government, it wouldn't run the government for 60 days.

btw, where oh where do you get this kind of nonsense?

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Jwhop how do you feel about those statistics you posted? Acceptable?

Katatonic jwhop considers everyone a red commie bastaard until they spend at least two years or so proving themselves otherwise. Until then, all your moderate, middle of the road credentials mean nothing. Several people here have thrown the dreaded "conservative" insult in my direction, but jwhop stills considers me suspicious. I think the day I called Cheney a Satan worshipping son of a biitch did me in. Or maybe it was the time I openly considered Rove the reincarnation of Goebbels? Who can say?

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posted February 22, 2009 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't recall ever calling you...TINK:

A Socialist
A Communist
A Marxist
A Red Doper Diaper Baby
A Commie Pinko...

or anything similar. Please refresh my memory.

As for the statistics as to who pays how much of the income taxes...and is it acceptable?

I think the statistics I posted are correct....and HELL NO, it's not acceptable and it never was acceptable that some in our society pay no part whatsoever in providing their part in funding the essential elements of the federal government.

It's equally unacceptable that the government..federal, has enlarged it's scope, size and authority into a gargantuan entity and no provision of the Supreme Law...Constitution gives the federal government authority to do so. In fact, there are provisions in the Constitution and Amendments which prohibit much of what the feds are actually doing...including permission to authorize a group of for profit international bankers to seize control over monetary policy and the money supply of the United States...the Federal Reserve.

In a legal sense, the Federal Government has destroyed the very document/contract which permits the US federal government to exist and they are now operating on "Sufferance" and without legal authority.

Where and when the feds compel, they're operating as tyrants, Period.

Article 1, Section 9, Paragraph 4

No capitation, or other direct tax shall be laid unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken

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posted February 22, 2009 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not to worry Tink, i am not the least upset by jwhop's stance. thank you for recognizing my position tho!

jwhop, you can print all the (third hand) reports you like, i am still in the bottom 47% and i still pay taxes, so your statistics mean NOTHING, just as all your biassed "facts" mean nothing except someone's opinion.

enjoy your self appreciation. i accept fully that i am not going to change someone who ignores firsthand info over some "authority" evaluation of what goes on. obama will be judged by history just as all other presidents are. by the way, he will not be the first president to have a rocky start, AND anyone coming in now would have a hard time of it. the fact that you need to blame the democrats for all of this? your problem

i don't have time to listen to the catastrophizing anymore. i prefer the big picture. and while i actually agree with you on many POINTS, i can't argue with someone complaining and feeling victimized by OTHERS playing victim. you are doing exactly what you are complaining about.

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"red doper diaper baby" Now that one I don't recall. Actually, truth be told, I've been a Communist. But, you know, I consider that another life. Scorps. Dramatic transformations. yada yada.

I can't imagine you don't by now know my feelings on tyrants, the Federal Reserve, and bullying, bloated federal governments, so I'll cut to the chase. Should no one be exempt from paying income tax? Just for kicks, let's use the example of a single mom working part time. How much of her salary are we willing to confiscate? How much, as a society, do we really need? At what point do we do that society more harm by taking her money, then by graciously allowing her to keep it. I don't know what, for instance, Bill Gates (no doubt yet another Satan worshipping son of a biiitch )will be paying in taxes this year, but will he and the missus be cutting corners around the house to do so? Where's your cut off point? Do you have one? Should the rich pay a smaller percentage than the poor? Are we wandering into flat tax territory here?

Just picking your brain Big Daddy

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Katatonic ~ some are bothered. some are not. I'm glad you're not. I've sort of felt bad for the people who are. I think they're missing out.

Seriously, he's just a big cuddly lion. One of the nicest people here. Not to say I haven't wanted to strangle him a few times.

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Huh, I see someone's been listening to that far right, racist neocon, self-righteous, narcisist, crazy idiot Michael Savage or reading his retarded book "liberlism is a mental disease."

Red diaper doper baby...

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outed, jwhop! shall i call you a "savage worshipper" since you have adopted his funny but ridiculous punnery?

OR shall i point out that he is a HUGE hypocrite, who lives in one of the most beautiful, affluent and famously liberal locales (its natives were dubbed "misguided hottubbers" by our former president) in CALIFORNIA, but calls everyone ELSE who lives there a MORON (another of his little amusing wordplays) and the place itself MORON COUNTY. what does that make him i wonder?

or shall i mention that this morning i heard the gov of louisiana has refused "state bailout" money because it would give the feds too much control over state affairs, while the gov of YOUR wonderful state, the tax haven beloved of conservatives and cuban mafiosi, WILL BE TAKING the bailout.

where you gonna move to now? oh right, there's always alaska.

we are all in this together.

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Someone might mention the fact that there might be an old thread buried around here somewhere titled "liberalism is a mental disease". Maybe. ahem.

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Stimulus Bill
Monday, February 23, 2009 12:02 PM
From: jwhop
To: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com
Cc: jwhop...

Well Governor Crist, once again we find a so called "conservative" who talks a good game but when the chips are down, folds like a deflating hot air balloon.

Your performance in appearing in Ft Myers with Barack Hussein Obama and going so far as to introduce this Marxist Socialist to your constituents as he pushed his Marxist Socialist agenda is both disgraceful and contemptible....for a "Conservative". This stimulus bill is not a stimulus bill to stimulate the US economy but rather a bill of payback to leftist interest groups who helped Obama get elected and who agree with his Marxist Socialist agenda for America. A Bill to stimulate, not the US economy but it's rather a "Government Stimulus Bill" to grow government.

It's disgusting, disgraceful and contemptible for a "Conservative" to be any part of that plan. Let's henceforth call you a "Conservative in Name Only", CINO. You can also proudly wear the RINO mantle along with Mel Martinez, Arlen Specter, Susan Collins, Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snow.

It's long past time for a "house cleaning" in the Republican Party. It's time for the RINO's to drop their masks and re-register as the liberal leftist democrats they really are.

I've heard and read your explanation for going along with this Marxist Socialist plan to grow the federal government of the United States. The rhetoric you used...you want to be sure Florida gets it's share of the loot being passed around..won't wash. If your statement is to be taken at face value, then Governor, you remind me of a member of a herd of mice rushing to the mousetraps baited with cheese to get yours before the other mice eat all the cheese.

There's a story you might be interested in reading; either for the first time or as a refresher. You'll find that story in Genesis 25:24-34. That's the story of Jacob and Esau. Esau in particular; who sold his birthright for a bowl of stew.

Good luck Governor,

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well good! now at least we have established a name we can call him when he sees things differently than ourselves!! glad that's out of the way!

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Those who will stand for anything, stand for nothing at all. I count you among those...full of empty fact-less rhetoric and wishy washy moral equivalence.

Now, if I were you, I'd sit right down and write Arnold a nice letter of congratulation to celebrate his RINOhood.

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i'm sorry, but obama is the president of the united states...that still includes florida and conservative states, all of which contain people who voted for the president.

i stand for the right to my opinion whether you like it or not. i stand for the right to disagree with you without being maligned. and i stand for the right to live in a country where we vote for president and every four years a lot of people are disappointed while the rest get what they asked for.

i also stand for your right to be unhappy because you insist on catastrophizing because the other side won this time. if that is what you want. i would rather work with the world as i find it than butt my head against brick walls.

i stand for working FOR something rather than spending all my time moaning about those awful reds and what they are going to do next. it is nice to be able to write a letter to your governor and know they won't put you in jail for it, isn't it?

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so here is one resource as to distribution of wealth, income etc in the us. as you pointed out my statement was off the mark. however the general gist of my point, that the top few percent hold the vast majority of the assets and income of this country, is not.

as i haven't the skills to import the accompanying chart, i have provided the address for you to check yourself, since you seem to have lots of time for perusing the web for such info.

"The Distribution of Wealth and Income
The distribution of wealth is much more unequal than the distribution of income, especially when focussing on the bottom 60% of all households. The bottom 60% of households possess only 4% of the nation's wealth while it earns 26.8% of all income.

Can you think of any reason for the much greater inequality in wealth than in income?

What do we tax more in the US: wealth (assets) or income? "

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm[/URL]

so, amazingly, the percentage of taxes paid is actually fairly equal to the ability to pay!

once more for emphasis - i am in the lower income brackets AND i pay taxes.

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Save it for the tourists. You said what your said. What you said is that 1% of earners in America earn 90%..or more..of all the income.

Clearly a bullshiiit statement you can't possibly back up from any credible source.

Now, there is an investigation of a Swiss bank, in progress, where funds from US citizens were stashed to avoid paying taxes. I've seen a number of about 52,000 American accounts from that bank alone. What would you like to bet me that the majority of those accounts are in the name of democrats? The same demoscrats who constantly screech and foam at the mouth about Americans paying their fair share.

Btw, I'm not the one trying to shut people up..including you. I leave that to the leftists here who have over time, attempted to shut everyone up who disagrees with them. My goal is to get people to talk and yak away..until they reveal where they're really coming from. Over time, the real picture emerges.

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i bow to you, who apparently has NEVER admitted he was in error at any time and NEVER has had occasion to alter his opinion on anything?

why should i refer to sources when you don't even bother to look?

and your challenge also shows you for what you are, someone who makes up his mind before he has seen the fact.

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