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jwhop
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posted February 21, 2009 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How it must gall the Marxist Socialists in the European Union to now be forced to hear the President of the EU denounce Socialists, Socialism and compare the EU to the old murderous Communist dictatorships of Eastern Europe.

Not only does this guy denounce Marxists, Socialists and their socio/economic/government systems but he directly attacks one of their most cherished hoaxes..."Man Made Global Warming".

I'm sure the Marxist Socialist President Barack Hussein O'Bomber is going to invite this guy for a White House visit real soon...like maybe in 2110.

The last statesman in Marxist Europe
Posted: February 21, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
Ellis Washington

Not so long ago, in our part of Europe we lived in a political system that permitted no alternatives and therefore also no parliamentary opposition. We learned the bitter lesson that with no opposition, there is no freedom.
~ Vaclav Klaus, address before the European Parliament, Feb. 19

Although my memory of Czech leader Vaclav Klaus (president since 2003, re-elected 2008) goes back to his days as prime minister (1992-1997), and to the time of Czechoslovakia's first president, the famous playwright and philosopher Vaclav Havel (1989-1992), I really didn't start actively following the career of this free-market iconoclast until radio host Michael Savage would have him on his show from time to time. This made me think to myself – as much as Savage hates Marxism, liberalism and European-style socialism, for him to have President Klaus on his program for an extended interview meant that Klaus had to be a man of stalwart principles and transcendent intellect. Indeed he is.

On Jan. 1, Klaus was appointed president of the European Union. Although this position is largely ceremonial, the EU is a very important economic cooperative represented by 27 nations and over 470 million people. Since President Klaus has a well-known aversion to European-style socialism and statist controls over the free market, he is set on a collision course with the leaders of the socialist welfare states of Europe now under his authority.

Journalist Dan Bilefsky in a recent article on President Klaus wrote:

An economist by training and a free marketeer by ideology, Klaus has criticized the course set by the union's departing leader, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France. The ambitious Sarkozy has used France's European Union presidency to push an agenda that includes broader and more coordinated regulation by the largest economies to tame the worst of the market's excesses.

Last Thursday in Brussels, at a major address before the European Parliament, Klaus told the assembly, "The European Union has turned into an undemocratic and elitist project comparable to the Communist dictatorships of Eastern Europe that forbade alternative thinking." Wow! Why don't we hear that kind of passion and clarity of thought here in America? If Klaus were an American politician, he would definitely be considered a Ronald Reagan conservative. As a matter of fact, Klaus' European mentor is Lady Margaret Thatcher, the former prime minister of Great Britain, a great conservative and unfailing ally with President Reagan in their battles against the tyranny of Marxism and Soviet communism, which eventually lead to the end of the 40-year Cold War as well as the dissolution of the Soviet empire in 1989-90. (Aides even admit that Klaus has a photo of the former British prime minister in his office near his desk.)

President Vaclav Klaus is a man after my own heart and makes me and other conservatives here in America yearn for a politician to rise up and become a real statesman in the tradition of Burke, Churchill, Thatcher and Reagan. For example, although he's president of the EU, a conspicuous socialist economic entity, Klaus refuses to sell out his principles and is a tireless advocate of laissez faire free-market capitalism in the tradition of his intellectual mentors, the Austrian-British economist Friedrich Hayek and the American economist and public philosopher Milton Friedman, whose free-market capitalist ideas Reagan used to build 20 years of sustained economic growth here in America.

Don't miss President Vaclav Klaus' book defending the free market against environmental extremism, "Blue Planet in Green Shackles"

The "Reagan Revolution" was seen to cause a political realignment both within and beyond the U.S. in furtherance of his political philosophy of American conservatism, lower taxes, smaller government and free markets. However, Klaus, unlike Reagan, has no Thatcher by his side and is literally waging a one-man crusade to continue the free-market economic and political reforms Reagan and Thatcher championed in the 1980s and 1990s.

Klaus once said, "If you lived under communism [and socialism], then you are very sensitive to forces that try to control or limit human liberty." This is a sober warning to all of the Quislings, the Neville Chamberlains and Vichy governments amongst the leaders in Europe (and America) who foolishly think that you can fight a 40 year Cold War with one of the most brutal and merciless regimes like the Soviet Union only to repackage and champion their failed economic and political theories years later as something "new."

There is nothing new about liberalism, egalitarianism, Marxism, communism or European-style socialism. All of those philosophies and economic theories were failures then and are failures now. Sir Winston Churchill understood the perils of socialism and once remarked about this diabolical political theory: "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Unfortunately Churchill's successors, like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, don't seem to understand or appreciate their own recent economic and political history regarding the dangers of embracing Marxism and socialism.

Other European leaders also are not guiltless – Sarkozy of France, Merkel of Germany, Berlusconi of Italy, Balkenende of Holland, Reinfeldt of Sweden, Putin of Russia and every other country in Europe have seemingly failed to take heed to Churchill's prescient words. These leaders are without excuse, for today we have history as the final judge of our deeds and she has spoken with clarity: Every society that's tried socialism or state control of all aspects of government, business, education, private property, private industry and the means of production has lead to utter political, intellectual and economic catastrophe. The equitable "redistribution" of resources sought by these naïve utopians and petit bureaucrat has only led, in the words of Churchill, to "the equal sharing of misery."

Czech President Vaclav Klaus is the only man I see in Europe today that has learned from recent history not to model his country after European-style Marxism. I admire him for his courageous stand against all of the Quislings and Neville Chamberlains he is forced to debate in the marketplace of ideas. His reward? Klaus' numerous critics sputter and fret in mocking cacophony, calling him a "cynical populist," a "hardheaded pragmatist," a "rejected genius," "a provocateur." He is none of these epithets.

In my opinion, Klaus is a visionary leader and a statesman amongst small-minded little European socialists who have no memory of totalitarian leaders like Napoleon, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Mao, Hirohito and Hitler. Therefore, in the words of the philosopher Santayana, these European leaders (and their citizens) will be condemned to repeat history and suffer yet again under these tyrannical political systems.

Thank God President Klaus refuses to compromise his established and moral principles; he refuses to be numbered with the legions of FDRs, LBJs, Jimmy Carters, Barack Obamas and those whom Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin called the ground troops of the socialist and communist revolution … "useful idiots."

Godspeed, President Vaclav Klaus!
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posted February 21, 2009 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well "cynical populist" sounds derogatory but all the other "epithets" sound like compliments to me! we need our provocateurs and opposition thinkers! and is he not PRESIDENT of the eu? that is surely to be considered validation?

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posted February 21, 2009 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President of the EU is a rotating office. In this case, it was "his turn".

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posted February 21, 2009 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fair enough. but he still gets his turn and his critics are entitled to theirs and to their opinions. in formerly rigid socialist societies the pendulum is swinging away from the left. in those where profiteering has taken on monstrous proportions, it is swinging TO the left. these cycles happen all the time. we will live to see it swing back again, on both sides. it's called balance.

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posted February 21, 2009 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I see, those greedy capitalist bast@rds have forced Marxist Socialist morons and imbeciles to step in to save western civilization? Is that your premise?

Is it your premise that Socialist governments which have failed anytime, every time, where ever they've been tried is now to be the savior of western civilization?

Even Marxist Socialists don't believe any of that. They know they're in the game for political power and total control over the serfs they profess to oversee.

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posted February 21, 2009 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i didn't mention either greedy capitalist b'tards OR Marxist Socialists. i was talking about how trends will go one way ad absurdeam(sic) until people get fed up with it and turn about face in the other direction.

just as all socialist regimes have fallen to be replaced by capitalist or whatever is fashionable this century, ditto the other way round. the only reason it hasn't happened here yet is because we have been here a miniscule amount of time compared with most other societies currently on the planet.

and in fact you MIGHT have noticed that i have at NO time called EITHER side juvenile names or insisted that either side was perfect.

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posted February 21, 2009 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Socialist societies have collapsed in on themselves and will continue to do so. Capitalist societies do not do so...as long as government stays the hell out of the way of the private sector and doesn't meddle in matters they know nothing about.

Gee, when you mentioned "profiteering", I just knew you were talking about "greedy bast@rds.

But governments are the "greediest bast@rds" on the planet. For doing nothing but sit on their sorry as$es and screwing up everything they touch, governments at all levels have made themselves about 50/50 partners with the very people who do all the work and make the economy go.

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posted February 22, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jw it amazes me how you can use a desciption of profiteers for your own benefit and then take the p--s out of someone else using it on another page.

ALL governments rise and fall. capitalism falls in on itself too if those who profit from it get carried away. and especially when those in the lower ranks sail out on nonexistent credit - a pack of cards is a pack of cards. it happened in 29 and trading on the margin was the downfall of millions. now its happening again in a slightly different form.

these things go in cycles. regardless of the form of govt the money thing goes up and down in a fairly predictable projection.
so your blaming the democrats or "socialists" (or republicans for that matter) is really just saying you're a victim.

money itself is a scam. pieces of paper!

sorry jw, we live in a country where the people who get the most votes take the reins for a certain (limited) period of time. your side lost this time. you are barking in the wrong doghouse. if you actually want to make a difference, take your objections to where they might make a difference.

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posted February 23, 2009 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me remind you of A Fact, katatonic.

The government of the United States is the one (1) government in the world which from it's inception has an uninterrupted tenure; surviving intact and turning over the powers of government right on schedule to the next elected government.

That government is mandated by a Constitution, codified into law which sets forth a blueprint for a Capitalist economic system.

Do I need to tell you what you can do with your ideas of Socialism, Marxism...as represented by O'Bomber, Mao, Ho, Fidel, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam, Chavez and the father/son dud duo of Kim Sung Il and Kim Jong Il?

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posted February 23, 2009 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no, i don't need you to put any words in my mouth sweetie. i have not espoused any socialist, marxist or other political views at all! in case you haven't noticed, i have basically taken issue with your bias and over the top reactions to people you see to be on the "other" side. myself included, i guess, though really all i have been doing is trying to have a conversation with you and inject a little leeway into the topic.

however your example of the us being the only capitalist govt so far does not change my observation that ALL govts reach a point where change is demanded by their citizens. the fact that we have unbroken tenure for this period of time is true. but it is not actually a very long time in relation to the history of governments.

you come on here acting as if obama has been elected king not president, and that his presidency is not the result of our political system which you so admire despite deploring its current manifestation. it's not like the world is going to end.

the fact that i think sharing is important and you belong to the what's mine is mine camp really shouldn't be a complete barrier to conversation. i have already said more than once that i have no expectation of changing your stance. i just wish you could be a bit more allowing of other people's observations and opinions. free speech, remember, and to me that means freedom not to be called an ass==le for disagreeing.

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posted February 23, 2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The purpose of taxation is to run the legitimate functions of government. A legitimate function of government..in the US at least...IS NOT to redistribute the wealth one person has earned to those who have not earned it. That is the essence of Socialism...and what your statements...and O'Bomber's have advocated for doing...even on this thread.

"the fact that i think sharing is important and you belong to the what's mine is mine camp"

I believe in sharing and I do share but charity by government decree leaves me cold.

No where did I state the US is the only Capitalist country in the world.

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The government of the United States is the one (1) government in the world which from it's inception has an uninterrupted tenure; surviving intact and turning over the powers of government right on schedule to the next elected government.

That government is mandated by a Constitution, codified into law which sets forth a blueprint for a Capitalist economic system.

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posted February 23, 2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, and your point is exactly what?

I never said, never insinuated, never alluded to any notion the US is the ONLY Capitalist nation on earth....nor have I ever done so.

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posted February 25, 2009 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing I don't understand is why the popular opinion is that if you don't believe in government handouts, you are somehow less charitable than those who do.


Reputable Non-profit organizations and other charitable organziations are far more responsible with money donated to them than is the government, where $$ is often irresponsibly distributed or records of spending are "lost". How much of our money is spread thin by the beauracracy?


I don't recall the report but it appears that as taxes and government run social programs have risen, true generosity has declined. Less volunteering (the kind you don't document for your own benefit), less neighbor helping neighbor, less donations to needy causes in our nation (not the same as worthy causes such as art and music) ... with the attitude being 'let the government deal with it'. And yet, have poverty rates declined? Weren't we promised ever so long ago that we would soon wipe out poverty with more government control and intervention?


The country already had enough debt before the new spending bill went through. Taxes (for those who pay income taxes) were already high. We're biting off our collective nose to feed our collective mouth here.


I firmly believe in people taking care of each other. Whether it's providing jobs or food or shelter or money or whatever else, I think we are perfectly capable as individuals of helping each other out without alot of governmental red tape, penalties, interest, and misspent funds. There was a time when people in America, and indeed the world, did just that.


People paid attention to people until they began believing that "someone else" would do all the work for them. Now our "problems" are a nameless mass of beings for whom the government is responsible. With our money. Which we've earned. But don't deserve to keep. And we don't have the right to choose who to help ... or where to donate that money. You may have to fund war and you may have to fund abortion, you may have to fund capital punishment and you may have to fund reckless social spending. And don't you complain about "your" money, you greedy pig. Trust your government.


I'm waiting for the backlash.

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posted February 25, 2009 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Eleanore, there are studies which show Conservatives are more generous...much more generous with their money and time in pursuit of helping others...than liberals..or what is passing for liberals today.

This leftist argument of greed, uncaring and hard heartedness on the part of conservatives is a flyblown lie, which has been proved to be the lie it is.

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posted February 25, 2009 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are we still comparing ants and grasshoppers?

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posted February 25, 2009 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, we're dispelling leftist lies...and shining a spotlight on the lies leftists tell.

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posted February 25, 2009 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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