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sunshine_lion
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posted March 10, 2009 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Divorce Agreement:
THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms.

We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way. Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,

John J.. Wall Law Student and an American

P. S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you.

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jwhop
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posted March 10, 2009 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sunshine_lion, where do I sign up?

I only saw one minor error in the piece. Healthcare is available to all in the US, regardless of nationality, immigration status or any other factor...mandated by law. No one can be refused medical services for illness or disease...even those in the US illegally.

Change "healthcare" to "health insurance" and I'm down with everything John J says.

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katatonic
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posted March 10, 2009 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
amusing but a little stereotypical...

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sunshine_lion
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posted March 10, 2009 02:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, a bit sophmoric, but I thought it was cute.

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praecipua
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posted March 11, 2009 08:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it would be a good thing for US people to go abroad and learn from other cultures. do you know that other countries went through even more difficult phases than you... and they managed to survive and even to find a new meaning in life.

but obviously if the border of your country are the limits of your imagination, you might as well get disillusioned already.

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katatonic
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posted March 11, 2009 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, praecipua, you have a very good point. it seems so many americans have no idea how good life is in other parts of the world...its all about GDP and how MUCH one HAS and a visit round the world for a few years puts that into perspective BIG TIME...but it is pointless, i find, trying to explain that to anyone who has not experienced it.

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posted March 11, 2009 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ironic or paradoxical bit is that those who have the money to travel probably live in a pretty good to real good area of the USA already. And they're also very unlikely to see any of the bad parts of other parts of the world. Especially given that tour packages are real careful about that and police often put a priority in getting those that harm tourists (including child prostitutes that drug tourists & rob them rather than sell them sex favors).

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katatonic
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posted March 11, 2009 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that is true to a certain extent. but plenty of us have managed to get over there without spending a fortune. i personally had friends amongst the natives which made it easy to get used to a "real version". it was anything but a tour guide situation...obviously there are plenty of distressed people in europe and other places; what i am trying to say is that one cannot measure happiness or lifestyle by GDP and statistics. there are plenty of americans who have no desire to come home...and plenty of foreigners who prefer it here! but those who have never travelled have no real idea...

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posted March 11, 2009 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
katatonic,


You must be kidding right? In what part of the world is health care better? I live in Europe as an American. If it was not for my husband being in the Army these idiot EU docs would have done the best socialistic healthcare they could have and butchered me even more than the Nazi doc already did.

In the US we don't deem someone "almost dead or should be dead" and not try everything to help them. In the EU they do just that. I have a fibroid. Luckily for me, I had a wonderful (American) doc that understood my condition was not an issues that would prevent me from having children. However, when I had a miscarriage the EU (socialistic) doc lectured me about having a child.

In this region.... and even in England.. they do the numbers... If you don't fit the criteria you die.. or they let you die. Look at the real stats.

Thank GOD I am an American. You can keep your socialistic ******** health care which will kill you in the end. For me... I thank GOD everyday that I am an American.. because of that simple fact, the idiot Nazi doc, as horrible and brutal as he was to me during my D&C he was not allowed to do what he wanted. He told me "I should take your insides out so you cannot have children"


**** You and your stupid healthcare... LOL...

What I have learned from this... Now I am in a position where I can make big changes. Therefore NO AMERICAN will ever go through what I went through in the USAG Graf area.

Why does it always take an American or America to make the idiots across the pond change?

If it was not for us... well... Germany would be speaking Russian at some point LOL

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pidaua
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posted March 11, 2009 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW... I have lived in Bavaria (Germany) for two years and we may live here for another 2-4 years. Bear is deployed right now...

So.. Please don't lecture me on not knowing the "culture". I live off post in a very German village. I shop on the economy... although they all know I am not German (hello Apache Girl LOL)..

What I will say is this.. you pompous EU people tell us that we should live in YOUR areas LMAO.. I would love to see you survive in South Central LA or maybe even the ghetto of Tacoma, WA.


I have lived in YOUR world.. I doubt you could survive in mine LOL (But I am not from the hood)

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Eleanore
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posted March 11, 2009 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't personally know that many Americans who want more STUFF. I do know many Americans who want to improve the quality of their lives ... and the choice to buy organic, natural materials and foods is at the top of that list for many. Unfortunately, those things cost money to produce and market ... and buy. I also know many who want to buy their own home but not who want acres of land or mansions. I'm talking single family homes and condos, etc.

Most people I know are responsible with their finances. And the things these people want with "all that money" are things that irresponsible people neglect to do with their finances. That is, set up emergency funds, retirement accounts, pay for life insurance so their children aren't screwed if their parents die young, college funds, health insurance, etc. These are not people buying "stuff". They're people who want the security of knowing they can handle the life they want without having to depend on a Big Daddy government to provide for them because they couldn't be bothered to do it themselves. You know, like the ~ 10% of homeowners who are/will be bailed out by the government with other people's money for defaulting on their mortgages because they bought the stupidly big house they couldn't afford? Yeah, those are the Americans I think are full of it and want more STUFF than they can afford.

And I definitely think they should not be bailed out and that those people should have to deal with their stupid decisions and live within their means. In fact, I think all Americans who can't afford all the things they want or need in life need to stop whining and either accept their limited means or work their arses off get what they want. And that's why I'm against a Big Daddy government.

It's funny, too, because the Brits I know personally hate their damn socialized system. One friend in particular has parents who would otherwise be quite well off as small business owners but they're not because of all the damned taxes. Meanwhile, one of her friends has 6 children from 3 different fathers, doesn't have a job, and yet her home is as nice as my friend's tax paying parents, the kids healthcare is covered, they have food, clothes, schooling, etc. People like that? Imo, they need to learn to do without so that people who do work hard to earn their keep aren't being trampled upon and punished to "help" those who won't help themselves.


Why isn't that ever the argument about the people who want too much stuff? I want a new couch because my old one, bought secondhand, is stained and torn beyond repair in some places now. But I shouldn't be able to afford that "luxury" because I have to pay for someone else to feed kids they can't afford or to bailout some corrupt bankers who screwed us all? That's just BS.

All people need to learn to live within their means, not just those who have earned what you consider to be "too much". Equality, right? Same treatment across the board, right?

Not, "let's limit some people's means so that other people don't have to deal with their own lack of responsibility because, that's like, mean and stuff". [I'm not saying that's anyone's argument here. But it is the underlying argument for the let-the-government-"take-care"-of-it crap we're contending with now.]

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posted March 11, 2009 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidua
Are you sure your negative opinion should be applied to ALL doctor's in the EU or just the one you had experience with?...

"However, when I had a miscarriage the EU (socialistic) doc lectured me about having a child" That particular docotor was out of line but your experience may have been different elsewhere in the EU.


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posted March 11, 2009 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eleanore what does 'Living within one's means' mean?

As far as I'm concerned this is not a cut and dry issue. As I've said before increase the minimum wage and you will have more people in jobs...... ALSO
Improve the conditions of the most neglected neighbourhoods and you might find the people who live there will no longer neglect themselves and will want to work.

Banks over here in the Uk are much to blame, handing out loans and credit cards and giving people access to money they can't afford.
Answer... Increase minimum wage and tax fairly.

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katatonic
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posted March 11, 2009 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"obviously there are plenty of distressed people in europe and other places; what i am trying to say is that one cannot measure happiness or lifestyle by GDP and statistics."

pidaua i am sorry you had such a rotten doctor. but i think you missed my point. however:

shall i tell you about my mother's experience here in the good old usa when she was 70 and suffering from a "terminal" disease? and the very expensive doctor who diagnosed her told her to get her affairs in order because she would be dead in two years?

or the dentist who didn't think it was worth saving her teeth because of her age? well she dared to live 8 years, not two, despite being relieved of her chewing teeth, and basically gave up when medicare told her she couldn't have any more of certain important parts of her healthcare because she had reached her limit.

there are rotten doctors everywhere and there are stories of people being cut off because their healthcare is too expensive or they are too old here in america as well as in your "socialist" countries.

and don't lecture me about surviving in america because i come from here, not there.
i lived there (in england)most of my adult life but i have seen ghettos on both sides of the pond; not my favourite hangout to be honest but you don't need to come over all tough with me. i am putting a point forward. plain AND simple. and i don't get how having worse ghettos makes us better. it actually speaks more to my point than yours.


and eleanore, i have never said anything about people earning too much. i said how much you earn is not necessarily an indicator of how good your life is. i said that before we run down other people's lifestyles we should witness them.

i also have friends who have businesses in the uk and they are doing pretty well. not as well as a couple of years ago, they are feeling the recession too. and yes there are people who abuse the system. tell me, that doesn't happen here??

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posted March 12, 2009 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Nazi doc" ?????????

do you talk like that about the present day germans? so today's US people are slave owners and indian killers ????

"Why does it always take an American or America to make the idiots across the pond change?"

because you're the greatest country ever and the greatest people ever to have walked over this earth of course

"If it was not for us... well... Germany would be speaking Russian at some point"

that is what i call propaganda. the US did NOT intervene because of philantropic motives, they got scared that communism would expand and threaten the interest of a few.... bankers.

they couldn't care less what language european would be speaking.

"BTW... I have lived in Bavaria (Germany) for two years and we may live here for another 2-4 years [...] So.. Please don't lecture me on not knowing the "culture"."

in a US military base ? do you speak german with more than just the local shopkeeper?

"I have lived in YOUR world.. I doubt you could survive in mine"

personnally i doubt it too, your country is beautiful but i don't find the way of life appealling. i lived 5 years in the UK and despite the differences, there are too many common point between french and english culture, i'm looking for change, i learned swahili at uni and will go to east africa.

i don't know if i will find a qualified doctor there but i will not complain about it. i will take it as it is.

AND, dont say LOL when you insult someone. it is not very nice. lol

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praecipua
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posted March 12, 2009 10:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop you don't react because you dont want to talk BS in a thread with you name in the title. you clever man.

anyway....
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsdon_hairlet-the-sunshine-in

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posted March 12, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong praecipua.

I've been busy...mainly on an astrological exercise in putting a chart together with an unknown birth year, birth place and sketchy information about signs for the outer planets. Mission accomplished.

I thought I mentioned I would gladly divorce the leftist Socialists but I'd far rather ship them all to Europe, the source of the infection with afflicts them. There, they could go on the freeloader rolls, get Socialist health insurance...not health care, get monthly payments to not work and live the life Socialists usually only dream about.

Btw praecipua, have you seen the French marching in protest in the streets...over the collapsing French economy?

Hello Pid, good to see you here.

Eleanore, we don't see nearly enough of you here either.

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sunshine_lion
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posted March 12, 2009 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
excellent post eleanore.

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katatonic
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posted March 12, 2009 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"What I will say is this.. you pompous EU people tell us that we should live in YOUR areas LMAO.. I would love to see you survive in South Central LA or maybe even the ghetto of Tacoma, WA."

i repeat, is the above a recommendation of some sort? i would far rather my country was NOT famous for its ghettos...even the worst area of london doesn't hold a candle to the big black holes in the states. why? i wonder...

when i lived in london my GP would come by the house when my daughter was ill. my american mother was AMAZED at such healthcare. my sister in law recently survived breast cancer thanks to the amazing care she got on the national health, as good or better than what friends over here in the US have received with their thousands-a-year insurance...and many of them discovered that even that was not enough to cover the costs.

the american military is not particularly welcome on european soil as far as i know. you can congratulate yourself for keeping the russkies out but we didn't go there to save europeans', but our own, butts. if american presence keeps the russians out of germany that is a BY-PRODUCT of our protecting our own interests. we profitted very well from our share of the spoils of WWII...and i don't think your condescension shows any intimate knowledge of germany or germans.


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"Btw praecipua, have you seen the French marching in protest in the streets...over the collapsing French economy?"

watch out for the big demo march 19th. it's gonna be a national strike.

well u know, as opposed to u, i'm not enjoying another country's problem.

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posted March 12, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
katatonic
"we profitted very well from our share of the spoils of WWII"

I don't what history books you're reading but the US lost about 250,000 men in WW ll, then rebuilt Europe with American money and then forgave almost all the debt European nations wracked up to the US. American taxpayers footed the bills.

Your defense of European Socialism tells me you would probably be happier there. I know I'd be happier if the US withdrew all military forces from Europe and let Europeans defend themselves...on their own dime.

praecipua
"well u know, as opposed to u, i'm not enjoying another country's problem."

Who says I'm happy about the social and financial unrest in Europe? Generally, I don't get involved in the affairs of other nations...until foreign nationals pop up to tell Americans how to live their lives, what to think and how to adopt their Socialist world views.

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posted March 12, 2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, jwhop, by your own reckoning it was the war, not fdr's new deal that pulled us out of the depression. are you saying our economy hasn't grown by leaps and bounds postwar now?

i agree with you that it would be a great thing if we withdrew our military presence from other countries.

and again i believe you have misunderstood my point, which is not to DEFEND european socialism but to say that it is not the travesty YOU think it is. my personal experience, unlike pidaua's, who lives there as an unwelcome military "guest", of the HEALTHCARE which you say does not exist, was very good in most cases. it did however teach me not to run to the doctor for every booboo the way a lot of americans think they have to...

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posted March 12, 2009 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People needing to resort to pulling their own teeth, ambulances stacked up outside hospitals with emergency medical cases inside with 2 hour waits in the ambulance and another hour or two...once they actually get taken inside the hospital; denial of treatment because some petty bureaucrat decided the patient contributed to their own medical problem, people dying or becoming terminal while waiting on a waiting list to be seen by a physician...along with the system being broke and going broker by the day...are not signs of good health care. Far from it.

Defend it all you want. We have the best health care and health care delivery system in the world and I'd like to see that continue.

In the meantime, O'Bomber is trying to set up a Socialist health care system which includes government mandated euthanasia...let patients simply die...to keep costs down. Very efficient don't you think?

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