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hippichick
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posted January 16, 2008 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
I am quite sure society ate this fish alive...but he let them....

I will go, willingly, underneath the bridge and....

(thank you Kurt.....)

Underneath the bridge
The tarp has sprung a leak
And the animals I've trapped
Have all become my pets
And I'm living off of grass
And the drippings from the ceiling
It's okay to eat fish
'Cause they don't have any feelings

Something in the way, mmm
Something in the way, yeah, mmm

Underneath the bridge
The tarp has sprung a leak
And the animals I've trapped
Have all become my pets
And I'm living off of grass
And the drippings from the ceiling
It's okay to eat fish
'Cause they don't have any feelings


Something in the way, mmm
Something in the way, yeah, mmm



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hippichick
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posted January 16, 2008 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rg-yYi8saZY

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AcousticGod
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posted January 16, 2008 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
There's a lot of integrity in Pisces' songs.

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MysticMelody
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posted January 16, 2008 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
He's nice to look at.

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26taurus
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posted January 16, 2008 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, he's a looker....looks great in eyeliner/shadow too.

I never realized how "electric" his eyes were. Or how dimpled he was.

Thanks for sharing hippichick. Hadnt heard that in awhile.

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hippichick
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posted January 18, 2008 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Yea, Kurt was the looker and the epitome (there goes that word again Jason....)

Of the Pisces...male....

My poor Fish brother....

He left us with quite the legacy of society...

And what we as participants have to answer to in this...."society..."

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hippichick
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posted January 18, 2008 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
o, and....

It may take a fellow Fish to know this song was not written about an alleged stint he spent underneath a real/tangible bridge...

He wrote it about his soul....I am quite sure...

Every lyric speaks to the Pisces soul...

And...I live underneath the bridge...each and everyday....

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 18, 2008 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
He had all the water elements strong.

Besides Sun, Mercury, Venus, Chiron, and Saturn in Pisces,

He had Mars in Scorpio perfectly trining his Sun,

Moon in Cancer (angular),

and Jupiter in Cancer trine Neptune in Scorpio.

He also had Pluto and Uranus strong:
Conjunct the Ascendant
and opposite merc/venus/saturn.

I see all of it in him.

But his Pisces gifts probably are
the most beautiful and amazing of all.

He was just such a treasure.

He was, in himself, a Zeitgeist;
a brilliant climax and culmination
of so many collective interests, dialogues,
dilemmas, and motifs.

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posted January 18, 2008 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"the animals I've trapped
have all become my pets"

These lines always had particular meaning for me.

Kurt deals a lot with the theme of "domestication"
and this is often linked, in his work,
to the theme of "institutionalization".

When he says,
"truth, covered in security,
i can't let you smother me"

and

"feeling so sedated
when i'm in my home"

and

"i'm on a plain,
i cant complain"

and elsewhere,
this theme is distinctly clear.

I think the Mars/Scorpio/Pluto energy is especially strong here,
although, his manner of expression is Neptunian and Piscean.

The associations to the home
and domesticating the free spirit
seem to relate to his Cancer Moon
and to Sag on his Imum Coeli.

But the determination not to be sedated,
or duped into a false sense of security, -
that is totally Mars/Scorpio/Pluto.

Getting back to the quote:
"the animals i've trapped
have all become my pets"

I think this relates to the wild elements in us,
which we have, to some extent, tamed,
only to find ourselves at the mercy of them
in another, less inspiring way.

When you have a pet,
you are its master, in some sense,
but, in a very practical sense,
you are also its servant.

You prepare its food,
clean up after it,
bath it, groom it,
take it for long walks.

So, he is talking about breaking the will
of the most free and primal, vital part of us.

He is talking about how our social institutions,
and our psychological defense mechanisms,
are really choking the soul's will to live.

He is saying that the primal part of us
cannot be tamed without killing our soul.

When we try to tame it,
we are locked into a position
no less determined by passion,
although it is a position of reaction,
rather than one of action;
and of self-censure,
rather than self-expression'.

There is a primal outcry in Kurt's work.

It is a clear and shocking warning to the people of the world
and a fierce cry for help from the collective unconscious.

The things we do to make ourselves safe,
to insullate ourselves,
and even to refine and perfect ourselves,
may easily become traps,
wherein the best, as well of the worst,
that is in us, is sacrficed.

All the ideas we have made,
fashioning sense out of the chaos
in a desperate attempt to secure power,
are the rocks that ground and anchor us,
but also the deadweights that keep us down.

There is a hair's breadth
between cell and room,
temple and tomb.

This also has 12th house resonance.

And it reflects his deeply introverted nature,
along with both the gifts and curses of introversion.
All the water signs have a thematic relationship with this.

But the ever-present subtlety and ambiguity,
the passionate conviction of ambivalence,
the dreamlike erosion of certainty,
the rage and resignation,
the self-contradictory double-entendres -
disintigrating lines of demarcation -
are all distinctly Pisces, and distinctly Kurt.

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hippichick
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posted January 18, 2008 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Well...Steve, I wondered where you were...

I, being a Pisces soul, particularly love the line...

"it's ok to eat Fish cause they don't have any feelings...."

Well, now So profound for us...

Go ahead, society, eat me up...swallow me whole...catch me with your man-hook and rip it out of my mouth....(because maybe I believed you and swallowed your ******** whole....)

It's ok...we don't feel anyway..

ha!

Ironicity at it's finest!!!

This was the first song I learned to play on the acoustic...

Whatta song....

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AcousticGod
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posted January 18, 2008 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I enjoyed your interpretation, HSC. I seem to recall that he had a few years where he acted out vandalism in true punk rock fashion. If I remember right it was stuff like smashing headlights on cars and so forth. Kinda fits with the domestication theme.

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MysticMelody
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posted January 18, 2008 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
"I cry out to God
Seeking only his decision
Gabriel stands and confirms
I've created my own prison"

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posted January 19, 2008 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 19, 2008 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_YY9ZiijQ8

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MysticMelody
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPz3YWXIbI&NR=1

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