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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 07, 2008 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry for your confusion...still it has a real smooth feel to it. Gratz on the writing at least.

I knew a guy named Pat who wrote like that. (Not that you're anything like him, mind you..just reminiscing.)

He was a tortured soul..who could draw the heck out of a rose. Such an artist..and never forget to put his angst on display for the ladies once he'd hidden it behind a brave face long enough to open up.

Ahh memories of teen rehab. Who could forget?

Haven't thought about that for years.

Thanks for inadvertently triggering my quick jog down memory lane.

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posted February 07, 2008 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"There is no coming to consciousness without pain."
~ Carl Gustav Jung


or /and

"if we have the courage to dig deeper until faith, hope and trust make themselves known...then what is at the bottom of Pandora's Box becomes the jewel, the shining light."
~ Carolyn Gwiazdzinski

and
http://www.chosentoremember.com/inspirational_quotes/inspirational_stories_choices.htm

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posted February 07, 2008 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've spoken with heart and, consequently, have touched mine.

Here come the days, friend. Hearken your senses to the horizon. Pay close attention at all times for the heights of your scrimmage meets with a furthering of Soul. This ache will not refine you, though it may fuel your refinement. It will not force from you your sighs and groans, but will deepen your gamut of feeling and understanding. Feeling alone is as futile as mere thinking when it comes to being. It is not our thoughts or our feelings that make us who we are, but how we harbor them through our deeds.

Thank you for spilling out here. It seems our hearts are beating in close key.

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That Ache....it's part of being human. We all feel it or have to different degrees. Most of us over many many lifetimes. And it will continue...

Is it really for another human being?

Is that the point to life? The be all and end of it all?

Or is its purpous to drive us deeper?

Nothing and no one in this world will ever satisfy that ache. I promise you. For awhile (or a lifetime or few) you may make yourself believe it though. Thinking that what you think you are missing, is found in a relationship with another. It it may "happen" and seem to work....for awhile. The fairy tales, love stories youve heard and your own ego-self will help you believe this to be true too.

The knowing comes (after enough experience, pain and many disappointments)
that no human being can, should or ever will fulfil that longing in you - ever. Maybe you havent had your fill yet.

This ache is a treasure...waiting for you..

We are born with that intense longing and aching (for very good reason) until one day we wake up and realize everything we think we need or want is.... <fill in the blank>.


Then?

True Love.

The truest of the True. A rising in it.


I've come to realize that that Ache is not for another person.

In all of us it is the same, it is for One and One only.

Thanks for listening and allowing me to express my two cents.

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posted February 07, 2008 08:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Favorite lines:
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But there's this bottomless reaching --
this mad pull into something powerful, narrow, determined.

Let me be absolved in heavenly proportions,
refigured in gentler shades,
so that I may know myself beyond myself;

I feel heartbroken for her,
though I havent met her yet,

Do you know, I feel like I'm dying;
like a vital part of myself has been stolen,
and I have been divided now for too long.


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"The pain-body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it."



Eckhart Tolle

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"Whatever we worship, short of God, is sure to be our undoing."

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 07, 2008 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Follow your bliss." ~ Joseph Campbell

"Beauty is truth, truth beauty" -- that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
~ John Keats

"Suffering is the ancient law of love;
there is not quest without pain;
there is no lover who is not also a martyr."
~ Heinrich Suso

Thorns dignify the beauty of the rose.


quote:

"Whatever we worship, short of God, is sure to be our undoing."

I believe that,
no matter what you worship,
it is sure to be your undoing;
especially if you call it "God".

At least, lets hope so.

After all,
the righteous person desires nothing more
than his or her own undoing.


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posted February 08, 2008 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
26taurus Thanks for sharing this!!!

Nice Discovery!!!


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Nothing and no one in this world will ever satisfy that ache. I promise you. For awhile (or a lifetime or few) you may make yourself believe it though. Thinking that what you think you are missing, is found in a relationship with another. It it may "happen" and seem to work....for awhile. The fairy tales, love stories youve heard and your own ego-self will help you believe this to be true too.

The knowing comes (after enough experience, pain and many disappointments)
that no human being can, should or ever will fulfil that longing in you - ever. Maybe you havent had your fill yet.

This ache is a treasure...waiting for you..

We are born with that intense longing and aching (for very good reason) until one day we wake up and realize everything we think we need or want is.... <fill in the blank>.


Then?

True Love.

The truest of the True. A rising in it.

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Thanks!!!

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posted February 08, 2008 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T,

quote:
Nothing and no one in this world will ever satisfy that ache. I promise you. For awhile (or a lifetime or few) you may make yourself believe it though. Thinking that what you think you are missing, is found in a relationship with another. It may "happen" and seem to work....for awhile. The fairy tales, love stories youve heard and your own ego-self will help you believe this to be true too.

Sounds good!
Nothing lasts forever.


quote:
The knowing comes (after enough experience, pain and many disappointments)
that no human being can, should or ever will fulfil that longing in you - ever. Maybe you havent had your fill yet.

Maybe.
I think I'm a slow learner.
No matter how many shocks and disappointments I sufffer,
I continue to pick myself up, dust myself off,
and risk myself, again and again, for love.

Perhaps I'll always be a holy fool for love.

Perhaps I'll never learn to hold tightly to my own self,
and to hold the rest of the world safely at arm's length.

Perhaps I'll always see the Beloved
in the faces of mortal women,
and love them with religious feeling,
as tokens of a divine, impersonal Other.

Perhaps I'll always lose myself,
and return to this creative emptiness.

Perhaps I'll always honor the dance,
the dance of life, of fullness,
of loss and increase...

Perhaps I'll never seek refuge in myself.

Perhaps I'd rather be squandered to the four winds,
than die with all my blossoms still intact,
and my pollen undistributed.

Perhaps it is no tragedy,
to give oneself to life, and to love,
and to exhaust oneself before reaching the point of death.

Whether I love myself or another,
I know that the difference is superficial.
I can protect myself for a lifetime,
maybe more, before I, too, am lost in eternity.
It doesnt matter whom I love.
Love for any individual, be it self or other,
is impermanent, and destined to destruction.
I myself am really just another "other".
But that is no reason to withold love,
from oneself, or from others.

Let us take part in the play!
For it is all a play!

And if you think you have found reality, my dear,
perhaps you have only gotten lost in the play?
I suggest that whatever you may have found,
which seems permanent to you,
whether you call it "God" or "Self",
is just another glorified other.
And I pray that you enjoy the dance with your lonely partner,
as I intend to do with each and every partner of mine,
until this dance is over,
and we are left to long for the next one.

And I pray that you, with me,
will not say that all our time was lost,
just because the dance did not last forever.

What you can't get out of, get into wholeheartedly.
~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960

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posted February 08, 2008 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, NosiS.


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Daf,

Thanks.

And God bless the artistic souls who put themselves out there,
in all their multifaceted beauty, --
and who risk being judged by jerks like us,
for the sake of love and honest self-expression.
It is a shame how our society,
so obsessively focused on "results",
has taught us to sweep these angelic messengers into the margins,
and to have no understanding or compassion for their deeply sensitive natures,
or for the incredible, though often immaterial,
contributions that they do make to our culture.
I'm so glad I could remind you, inadvertently.


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posted February 08, 2008 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
And if you think you have found reality, my dear,
perhaps you have only gotten lost in the play?
I suggest that whatever you may have found,
which seems permanent to you,
whether you call it "God" or "Self",
is just another glorified other.
And I pray that you enjoy the dance with your lonely partner,
as I intend to do with each and every partner of mine,
until this dance is over,
and we are left to long for the next one.

And I pray that you, with me,
will not say that all our time was lost,
just because the dance did not last forever.


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posted February 08, 2008 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted February 08, 2008 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Human relations are for self-revelation, not self-gratification.
People, especially true friends,
are mirrors in which we begin to discover ourselves."
~ H.F. Weekley


I love people as I love mirrors;
because I am a vain man,
and worship my own reflections!
You who are modest can break all your mirrors,
if you dont like what you see,
and shroud yourselves in dark corners,
where no person may get close to you;
But it wont change your true face.
And the beauty of the darkness is not your own,
though you may borrow it for a time.


"Where love rules, there is no will to power,
and where power predominates, there love is lacking.
The one is the shadow of the other."
~Carl Gustav Jung


Satan fell because of pride.
It was not God whom he could not love;
it was God's creation; mortal man.

He could foresee no power in loving men.

But every tree is known by its fruit;
If you cannot love the fruit,
how can you say that you love the tree?

If you cannot love earthly things,
how can you say that you love heavenly things?

The joys of heaven are founded on deeper sufferings
than even the joys of the earth.
Do you imagine that you are prepared for them,
just because you reject the joys and pains of the earth,
and cry out that you have had enough?

But God knows when you have had enough.
Only when you are no longer bothered by those pains,
then, and only then, will you have had enough!

God is acceptance, not rejection;
No matter what you reject,
it is a form of God, -
the form which He chooses to appear in.
You can reject nothing but God.

I Am -
open to the experience of life,
open to the experience of death,
open to the experience of love,
open to the experience of loss,
open to the experience of God in the world.

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posted February 08, 2008 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photograph
~ Weezer

If you want it, you can have it
But you've gotta learn to reach out there and grab it

'Cause everybody wants some love
Shooting from the stars above
And though my heart will break
There's more that I could take
I could never get enough

If you need it, you should show it
'Cause you might play so monastic that you blow it

'Cause everybody wants some hope
Something they can barely know
And though my heart will break
There's more that I could take
I could never let it go

It's in the photograph
It's in the photograph
It's in the photograph of love

'Cause everybody wants a dream
Something they can barely see
And though my heart will break
There's more that I could take
I could never let it be

It's in the photograph
It's in the photograph
It's in the photograph of love

If you blew it, don't reject it
Just sit drawing up the plans and re-erect it
Just sit drawing up the plans and re-erect it
Just sit drawing up the plans and re-erect it



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posted February 08, 2008 12:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Solane!

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posted February 08, 2008 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome.


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Thanks for your thoughts, HSC. I've heard many of the same things before.

**"Perhaps I'll never learn to hold tightly to my own self,"

Which self do you hold so tightly onto?

**"and to hold the rest of the world safely at arm's length."

Is that really possible? And who are you ever really holding back and away anyway?

**"And if you think you have found reality, my dear,
perhaps you have only gotten lost in the play?"

Thank you kind sir, it would sure seem that way to you, wouldnt it? Perhaps I'm just as lost in it as you??? Perhaps.


**"I suggest that whatever you may have found,
which seems permanent to you,
whether you call it "God" or "Self",
is just another glorified other."

You may suggest that, but it is incorrect.

And I dont claim to have "found" anything. Only recognize a few things differently.

There is no "other". Never has been.


**"And I pray that you enjoy the dance with your lonely partner,
as I intend to do with each and every partner of mine,
until this dance is over,
and we are left to long for the next one."


My partner is not lonely. He knows what lonliness is all about and knows better than to be sucked in.

And I no longer "long for the next one."


What you intend to do with your partners is great for you. Why judge me for the way i choose to live and look down upon it like your way is better, or coming from more sensitivity? This is "right" for me right here and now. I shared my thoughts but dont expect you to have the same ones. Just putting some things out there.

**"And I pray that you, with me,
will not say that all our time was lost,"

Never lost.

Maybe you should pray that i wake up to your "reality" and then i'd be okay and be a better ballerina. hehe. j/k

**"just because the dance did not last forever."

Just remember that in this dance
people have toes.

...and most everyone is clumsy.

Peace bro.


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Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others. ~Buddha

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posted February 08, 2008 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You said,
quote:
Perhaps I'm just as lost in it as you??? Perhaps.

That's all I tried to suggest.
Take it or leave it.


You said,

quote:
You may suggest that, but it is incorrect.

Fair enough.
But you cant have it both ways.
Either I am incorrect,
or you are as lost as me.

I think you misunderstood a lot of what I said,
but you will probably just say,
of course, thats how it would appear to me.

So, okay.

I just think we are different.

And maybe, just maybe,
your detached, idealistic Venus in Gemini
is in no position to fathom,
let alone pass judgment upon,
my passionate, subjective Venus in Scorpio?
And maybe your 6th house Jupiter
doesnt know whats best for my 7th house Jupiter?
Perhaps, as you continue to find God in self-cultivation (6th),
I'll continue to find God in partnership with others (7th)?
And maybe the warnings from your Mars and Saturn
exaggerate the dangers posed by the 7th house,
and are not receptive to its treasures?
Maybe all those self-contained/self-complacent planets
located beneath the horizon of your chart,
and/or in the first six signs of the Zodiac,
have very little to tell the planets in my chart
that are involved in more social and impersonal matters?

I believe I understand what you are saying,
and I've understood it before.
And I'm not going to kill myself just because I'm lonely.
I'm not giving up on loving me, etc.
Every day, I work on that relationship,
and on my relationship to higher powers,
identifying with pure awareness, etc.
Every day, alone or in partnership,
brings me closer to self-sufficiency, -
but I am not there yet,
and there is nothing wrong with this longing,
or with learning through relationships.
Romance is human, and so am I.
Passion is plutonian, and so am I.

But I hear you.

I hear you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCmZ2jrQooE

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I wonder about him..some days. Wonder if he's still at it.

Consuming the affection of those around him, turning hearts to stone afterward.

He always seemed fully convinced that the products of his endeavors justified the sacrifices upon the altar of HIM.

Such a sad character to know. Not a bad guy at all. Just..very, very needy.. Not hard to empathize with that I guess.

Course, I wouldn't say a pity party was in order for him either.

I mean, going through hearts and creating trust issues for other people just because he's aching and confused didn't lessen the karma life's sent his way.

Maybe his ache and his loneliness was a product of the way he was treating the females in his life.

Maybe he was getting what he was giving, ten times over: heartache and loneliness and disillusionment.

Funny thing was I'm so certain he thought he was "in love" every time. But heck, at 17..how could he be expected to understand himself well enough to get his sh-- together and stop treating females like validation trophies?

He played a sort of..passive-aggressive game. Relying on the Florence Nightingale effect of his angst to draw them in..to soothe his pains.

To me..it was transparent and a bit devious at first. But after I got to know him, I realized it was just reckless and irresponsible.

I guess the way karma works, the cycle only would have stopped when he finally started looking to himself for validation.

Instead, he was searching for sacrificial replacement mother figures whom he could get all of the attention he needed from, then reject..in a symbolic act of revenge against his own mother..likely for not paying enough attention to him. It's also possible he was acting out a fantasy rejection of an over-doting mother's affection. It's hard to say...I didn't know his parents.

I hope he's doing well. Like I said, he wasn't a bad guy..just real confused and spreading the disease.

It's difficult not to on this "dreary sphere of infinite confusion."

Again..thanks for indulging my trip down memory lane. It was a strange time in my life that I don't revisit often.

You honor me with the chance to know my memories and feelings about that time in my life better.

Thank you,

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posted February 08, 2008 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I wonder about him..some days. Wonder if he's still at it.
Consuming the affection of those around him, turning hearts to stone afterward.

He always seemed fully convinced that the products of his endeavors justified the sacrifices upon the altar of HIM.

Such a sad character to know. Not a bad guy at all. Just..very, very needy.. Not hard to empathize with that I guess.

Course, I wouldn't say a pity party was in order for him either.

I mean, going through hearts and creating trust issues for other people just because he's aching and confused didn't lessen the karma life's sent his way.

Maybe his ache and his loneliness was a product of the way he was treating the females in his life.

Maybe he was getting what he was giving, ten times over: heartache and loneliness and disillusionment.

Funny thing was I'm so certain he thought he was "in love" every time. But heck, at 17..how could he be expected to understand himself well enough to get his sh-- together and stop treating females like validation trophies?

He played a sort of..passive-aggressive game. Relying on the Florence Nightingale effect of his angst to draw them in..to soothe his pains.

To me..it was transparent and a bit devious at first. But after I got to know him, I realized it was just reckless and irresponsible.

I guess the way karma works, the cycle only would have stopped when he finally started looking to himself for validation.

Instead, he was searching for sacrificial replacement mother figures whom he could get all of the attention he needed from, then reject..in a symbolic act of revenge against his own mother..likely for not paying enough attention to him. It's also possible he was acting out a fantasy rejection of an over-doting mother's affection. It's hard to say...I didn't know his parents.

I hope he's doing well. Like I said, he wasn't a bad guy..just real confused and spreading the disease.

It's difficult not to on this "dreary sphere of infinite confusion."

Again..thanks for indulging my trip down memory lane. It was a strange time in my life that I don't revisit often.

You honor me with the chance to know my memories and feelings about that time in my life better.

Thank you,

daf



Always glad to help, daf.


Thanks for talking straight.


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