posted February 22, 2008 05:59 PM         

I feel sorry for Melody.

and like you, sometimes i have to speak my mind. Even if it's not so nice or "full of" love and light.

Guess what? I think there's a time (most of it) to be gentle with people or to let things go. But sometimes that doesnt get through to people and sometimes people need to vent especially when they see another treated nastily. i'm not going to pretend to be some kind of spiritually enlightened master when i'm not. Hence the above post. Even as i was typing it, i could hear my inner higher voice telling me a thing or two and can see how it will be percieved or taken by some, and i know all the expected responses that could come my way, but i decided to post it anyway.

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I can see how Mel's words could be inflammatory,
or could be taken as an attempt to inflame.
Having said that, I do not think she intended it that way,

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Neither do i. So i'm pointing it out too.

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though I can also see where her words might hook someone.

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So, maybe that's their problem to deal with.

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Melody handled herself admirably,
and probably better than I would have.
She made a peace offering, as I said,
and showed consideration for Zanya.
This was met with more anger and insults,

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Um-hum.

Yes, i'd love Mel's address!

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And I hope everyone understands why
it is so hard for me to "take sides" here.

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I do.

Some might understand that taking sides is not what i'm doing.

Mad at you??? What for? lol

t

posted February 22, 2008 06:02 PM         

I am not passing judgement on you.

Is that really what you see?

Although it is self-evident to everyone here
that you used reprehensible language in that thread,
I have stuck my neck out and spoken in your defense;
but you do not see it.

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more often than not, the insults are delivered and disguised in the sweetest and/ or underhanded of ways.

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I know it can appear that way.

But, from another point of view,
you may find valuable lessons expressed
just about as gently as they can be expressed.

There's just no way to say, "You made a mistake,"
and make it sound like, "You did everything right!".
I'm sorry, but, its just not possible.

People make no secret of the fact that they are disagreeing with you.
For what reason, then, do you take offense with them?
Because they disagree with you in the sweetest and most "underhanded"
(some would say "delicate, and not demonstrative" way)?
Would you rather they called you bloodthirsty and sulferous?
Or do you insist that they just agree with you
and approve of every colorful (specifically red) word
you let fire at them, and at their closest friends?

I have shown you more consideration than most.

I'm sorry if it is not enough.

I wont say any more nice things about you,
if you are only going to see them as "underhanded".

You just lost your greatest ally.

You're on your own now, kiddo.

posted February 22, 2008 06:05 PM         

No worries.

I sent you her email.

posted February 22, 2008 06:07 PM         

For my part,
I pretend to be a Buddha every chance I get.

Fake it till ya make it, right?

God Bless

All of my angels

posted February 22, 2008 06:16 PM         

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more often than not, the insults are delivered and disguised in the sweetest and/ or most underhanded of ways.

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posted February 22, 2008 06:28 PM         

Am I the only person here who can see how hurtful it appeared?

I only saw that Zanya stook up for herself, and to me she seemed to keep her calm.........
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/009730.html

*Sigh*

I'm just going to have to go over the whole thing as people don't seem to be getting the bigger picture here.

posted February 22, 2008 06:50 PM         

But, if we are going to keep count...

I counted many more insults from Zanya.

And, in my personal opinion,
and, as a matter of personal taste,
I think the word "bloodthirsty" is bloodthirsty;
the word "reeking" reeks;
the thought of "sulfur" is sulfurous;
and the phrase "clawed your way into" is so ugly,
that I dont think I ever bothered using it until now.

I know that is hard to hear, and I'm not sugar-coating it.

When I heard Zanya using that kind of language,
I was shocked and apalled, and thats the truth.
You can call that a judgement.
You can call it whatever you want.
Its just my experience;
my reaction to something that happened,
pure and simple.

What kind of pain are you in, Zanya?

Those words are forged in dark places.

The healing needs to continue, for all of us,
and the way to do it is to become aware of bad habits.
Language like that is as violent as a slap in the face.
And, in many cases, it doesnt even have to be directed at oneself.
Just seeing those words used so carelessly is painful.
Those words are about as powerful as it gets.
Those are words I would use if I was speaking to Hitler or Goebbels.
If you waste those words on Mystic Melody,
where do you go from there?

I'm being serious.

posted February 22, 2008 06:56 PM         

In the same situation, I might not have been so easily hurt, I am always being hard on myself to try and avoid being hurt by anyone and be able to take their criticism when it comes, although when people question my motives I can't handle that well. But then there are other times when I am hurt easily. It is difficult to see things clearly from another's perspective when we are not that person.

posted February 22, 2008 06:58 PM         

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I'm just going to have to go over the whole thing as people don't seem to be getting the bigger picture here.

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LTT,

I know you are only trying to help.

But you are not the only one who sees what you see.

Keep looking.

I will too.

We'll compare notes.

I'll check back later.

posted February 22, 2008 07:00 PM         

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It's ok, I read the posts over and I can see things differently now. Melody was using angry words to express her hurt, and tried to make peace.... [Zanya] didn't do a very good job at accepting the peace offering and Melody was deeply hurt.
In the same situation, I might not have been so easily hurt, I am always being hard on myself to try and avoid being hurt by anyone and be able to take their criticism when it comes, although when people question my motives I can't handle that well. But then there are other times when I am hurt easily. It is difficult to see things clearly from another's perspective when we are not that person. Ok, I understand now that Melody was hurt because her motives were being questioned. I also would have been hurt deeply in a similar situation.

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You work fast.

posted February 22, 2008 07:09 PM         

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Zanya didn't come across as angry but omitted instead sarcasm from her words.

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Wrong.

Melody was sarcastic about the witchhunt stuff.

Zanya was belligerent.

But the rest of what you said made perfect sense.

posted February 22, 2008 07:18 PM         

I came onto this thread because I was worried nobody would speak for Zanya, but I can now see that I had a limited viewpoint.

I don't know the people concerned that well either, I think I've said enough, put my giant foot in things enough.

I hope this matter gets resolved, or at least heals somewhat, but we'll just have to see. It's not really any of my business or my place to speak.

Take care everyone.

posted February 22, 2008 07:30 PM         

I don't know about you but I feel tired and weary of words.

It's about time the human race could do away with words and communicate through empathy/ telepathy.

What say you?

posted February 22, 2008 08:09 PM         

Did you read my posts?

I appreciate you wanting to see all sides.

I want that too.

But not everything balances out.

HSC

posted February 22, 2008 08:10 PM         

Thank you