posted June 30, 2006 03:57 AM            

Oh, and I envision it all as a hug ball of light that isn't really solid, but denser in the middle and become sparser as it expands outward. (Like a sun) It's all still connected but there is a little more "space" in between the outer energies. I feel that we expand out to create More to enjoy and it is our job to not get too far away that we can't create connections again and again to the Source (denser part that Remembers and Knows). These "connections" are our way of "growing" the Entire Entity (which has experienced Everything in our Growing, so Knows All and has All Wisdom and wants only what is Best for itself/us) even though we aren't all the way separate anyway.
Our belief and conscious effort to make these connections is what I believe Faith is about.
Oh, and I envision this "cell," that is All of us and Everything, floating in the void as a star fish shaped blob of light/energy.

*whew* Usually I just blah blah blah on about that while people look at me like I am crazy, I don't usually write it! I better copy this one

What do you think?

posted June 30, 2006 05:37 PM              

Isn't Mercury in Retrograde these days?

I confess,
I have the greatest difficulty
following your train of thought,
despite my intuitive assurance
that you do indeed have
a vast store of information to impart.

About the forgetting...

Is this part of the plan?
Have our OverSouls
Chosen this amnesia of ours,
for some mysterious reason?

posted June 30, 2006 06:27 PM              

I hope I can communicate my present ambivalence...

Forgive me, if I dont respond directly,
to most of the points you raise.

I wish we had crossed paths earlier. I would have so much to say to you. You have found me at a point in my journey, when my mind is, perhaps, (or so i like to think), simultaneously razor sharp and utterly open, and I am unable to say very much at all.

When I read your words, so many thoughts come to mind, and each one is undermined, or second-guessed, by the next, until, at last, I am disillusioned with the limits of words and ideas, and can hardly commit myself to saying anything.

And, yet, I want to say something. I want you to know that I do indeed share your philosophical turn of mind, and am not drawing blanks here, despite how it might appear, by my ultimate inability to agree or disagree, or frame and suggest some equally clever cosmo-conception of my own.

God, there is so much I could say. I feel it is wrong to deprive you of my brilliance, lol. Just kidding, - sort of. Ultimately, I know nothing. I have played with these concepts for so long, they seem worn and stretched beyond all reason.

One idea appears, -
is contradicted by a second, -
both are "transcended",
and united in a third, -
which is contradicted, etc.

(I say "transcended",
but is anything transcended;
ever?
I seem to go in circles,
and, yes, I speculate on spirals.)

I suppose I have just begun thinking
about the nature of thought itself.

These ideas we share...
They are reflections
on the surface of bottomless waters.
We skate on them in times of crystalization.
In times of deconstruction,
we tread for a while,
and sink,
and sink,
and sink,
and observe such wonders
that stop our mouths,
fill our lungs with their essence;
and then there is a death....

I will stop there,
but for no good reason.

However, I will mention
that the "tool" lyrics,
"learn to swim"
just came to mind.

Ideas are here to serve us, not we them. I have been at the mercy of my understanding for too long. I have created my own intellectual labrynth (perhaps to protect myself from the unpredictablity of Nature, the Unknown), and only lost myself in it.

Systems...
Ideologies...
Crutches....
Training Wheels...

Spokes that spin from a center,
and are a solid blur.

---

"As above,
So below"....

We struggle to conceive what is "above"...
While we are really creating it "below".
No wonder we create confusion and struggle.

(I suppose I am still having my fun with confusion.
Perhaps I will put away childish things some day.)

But, the ideas "above and below"...
Do we think we could know The One,
by means of such divisive words as these?

I long for The Nothing.
For the clarity of pitch.

posted June 30, 2006 07:03 PM              

A time to be born,
and a time to die;

A time to plant,
and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;

A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

A time to cast away stones,
and a time to gather stones together;

A time to embrace,
and a time to refrain from embracing;

A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

A time to love, and a time to hate;
a time of war, and a time of peace.

What profit hath he that worketh
in that wherein he laboureth?

I have seen the travail,
which God hath given to the sons of men
to be exercised in it.

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time:
also he hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out the work
that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

I know that there is no good in them,
but for a man to rejoice,
and to do good in his life.

And also that every man should eat and drink,
and enjoy the good of all his labour,
it is the gift of God.

I know that,
whatsoever God doeth,
it shall be for ever:
nothing can be put to it,
nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it,
that men should fear before him.

- Ecclesiastes 3:1-14

posted June 30, 2006 07:10 PM            

"As we grow and mature, we again try to reopen our energies to the more subtle realms. We begin the process of extending our consciousness back through the etheric to activate the energies operating on the astral, mental, etc. Lying between the etheric and the astral bands of energy is what is often called an atomic shield, a thin layer of atons that filter astral energies from physical consciousness. Because the astral can be so strongly affective upon our being, this shield serve as a fiter for most of the strongest feelings and emotions that could play upon us.
When we begin the process of development, we try to loosen the shield, stretching it for more flexibility in order to stretch our consciousness beyond it to the astral and further. This needs to be done carefully. It is comparable to warming up before any strenuous exercise, preventing injury. If the shield becomes torn or bruised or injured due to lack of "warming up" or preparation it opens us to a continual influence by astral-plane energies which we cannot necessarily prevent. This brings back the reason for the two stages discussed earlier in activating astral energies. First, there must be an energizing in a controlled and directed manner. Stress, poor physical health, emotional and mental trauma, premature psychic development, abuse of drugs or alcohol etc. can wear this shield down, tear it, or puncture it, resulting in a variety of physical, emotional, and spiritual problems."

posted June 30, 2006 07:15 PM              

Thank you.

posted June 30, 2006 07:23 PM              

(Baba means "honored father")

What is hidden from the wise,
is revealed unto babes.

posted June 30, 2006 07:26 PM              

Pluto (Ruler) in the 9th

Jupiter in Leo
Jupiter Angular
Jupiter Singleton (7th house)
Jupiter Square Sun/Venus/Mc/Uranus
Jupiter Opposition Moon
Jupiter Square Chiron
Jupiter Trine Merc/Mars in Sagittarius 10th house

Not counting Chiron,
Jupiter is the "cutting planet" in a bowl configuration.

Yay Me!!

posted June 30, 2006 07:30 PM              

Don't be sad.

If any man come to me,
and hate not his own life,
he cannot be my disciple.
- Jesus of Nazareth

The sage awakes to light in the night of all creatures.
That which the world calls day is the night of ignorance to the wise.
- The Bhagavad-Gita

posted June 30, 2006 07:39 PM            

I prefer Wise Babe. hehe

I think my wires are starting to sizzle.

posted June 30, 2006 07:47 PM              

We are both wise in our own eyes.

Would that we might see with the eyes of babes.

I dont think your friends knew you at all.

Thank God you never understood them.

posted June 30, 2006 07:53 PM              

Yin and Yang are relative.

If Light is Yang,
Darkness is Yin.

posted June 30, 2006 07:57 PM            

Thank God you never understood them."

wow

That touched me more than almost anything I have ever read.

posted June 30, 2006 08:15 PM              

Yes, this is very difficult to understand...

Yin and Yang are words.
They are not things.
They apply to things.
One thing may be Yang,
in a certain context,
but Yin in another.

Hence,
Light is Yang,
And Darkness is Yin,
when Light is in relation to Darkness.

But, if Light and Darkness
are seen in relation to the Void,
then, Light-And-Darkness, as a unity,
are Yang, and the Void is Yin.

Yang is positive,
Yin is negative...

Anything that is given,
is Yang.
It is the object.

What is not given is Yin,
the subject.

Yang preceded Yin in this way.
But, after Yang is given,
Yin can be seen to "exist"
both before or after it.
So there is no such "preceding".

posted June 30, 2006 08:24 PM              

I think there is another meaning there, too...

When Pilate asked "What is truth?"

Jesus was silent.

God, Alanis, Jesus, cannot tell us the meaning.
We have to figure that out for ourselves.
If God said, "The meaning is *honk*",
We would just think God was a nut.

Like the Daath quote you posted suggests,
we need to struggle,
in order to learn the value
of letting go.