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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake

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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted July 03, 2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Saint John of the Cross
By the Waters of Babylon


By the rivers
of Babylon
I sat down weeping,
there on the ground.

And remembering you,
O Zion, whom I loved,
in that sweet memory
I wept even more.

I took off my feastday clothes
and put on my working ones;

I hung on the green willows
all the joy I had in song,
putting it aside for that
which I hoped for in you.

There love wounded me
and took away my heart.
I begged love to kill me
since it had so wounded me;

I threw myself in its fire
knowing it burned,
excusing now the young bird
that would die in the fire.

I was dying in myself,
breathing in you alone.

I died within myself for you
and for you I revived,
because the memory of you
gave life and took it away.

The strangers among whom
I was captive rejoiced;
they asked me to sing
what I sang in Zion:

Sing us a song from Zion,
let's hear how it sounds.

I said: How can I sing,
in a strange land where I weep
for Zion, sing of the happiness
that I had there?

I would be forgetting her
if I rejoiced in a strange land.

May the tongue I speak with
cling to my palate
if I forget you
in this land where I am.

Zion, by the green branches
Babylon holds out to me,

may my right hand be forgotten
(that I so loved when home in you)
if I do not remember you,
my greatest joy,
or celebrate one feastday,
or feast at all without you.

O Daughter of Babylon,
miserable and wretched!

Blessed is he
in whom I have trusted,
for he will punish you
as you have me;
and he will gather his little ones
and me, who wept because of you,
at the rock who is Christ
for whom I abandoned you.

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TINK
Knowflake

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From: New England
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posted July 03, 2008 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
I've never seen this before.

Thank you so much.

you'll never know.

amor fati

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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake

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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted July 04, 2008 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome.

I may know.


This is a much finer translation,
which I may copy out later:

http://books.google.com/books?id=huegNDWWjVYC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=%22your+memory+was+sweet+and+i+wept+more%22&source=web&ots=qAWmwB1kVX&sig=GrOh0mvh0dPt56_7ygs-9U6V0nA&hl=en&sa=X&o i=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake

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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted July 04, 2008 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Amor fati is a Latin phrase that loosely translates to "love of fate" or "love of one's fate". It is used to describe an attitude in which one sees everything that happens in one's life, including suffering and loss, as good. That is, one feels that everything that happens is destiny's way of reaching its ultimate purpose, and so should be considered good. Moreover, it is characterized by an acceptance of the events that occur in one's life. It is almost identical to the Jewish concept of Gam Zu Letova (this too is for the best).

The phrase is used repeatedly in Nietzsche's writings and is representative of the general outlook on life he articulates in section 276 of The Gay Science, which reads,

I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let that be my love henceforth! I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all and on the whole: some day I wish to be only a Yes-sayer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_fati

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