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listenstotrees
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posted April 27, 2009 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Darkness is born from forgetting
our true nature
who we really are.
Consumed by self-hatred
at skills not yet acquired;
our finite natures-
we thwart progress.
Instead, emptiness
through our imagined image-
we made mistakes;
therefore we are no good
and never can be.
It is these thoughts themselves
which give us the limits;
we only failed
because we are babies of our creator
each following our unique path.
For each skill, we need learning and practice
we cannot run before we can crawl.
For every illness and injury
we need nurture and healing;
the more acute, the more we need.
It is not the weak's fault for what
they are;
we are all growing
Having a responsibility to love
Because love is what we are;
No-one can take it away.
The catholic idea
of eternal damnation
caused a chasm in humanity's mind
False beliefs injure and bring delusion
We damn ourselves
Through the mind's own prison.

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Valus
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posted April 28, 2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

By the same token,
the belief in heaven,
and that people will go to heaven
because God has "forgiven" them,
carries many souls to lighter places.

The belief in Hell creates it, but,
does not draw one towards it, of necessity.

It seems to arise, naturally,
as the obvious counter-balance to the vision of heaven.

This has always been the danger of idealism.
If there are gods and angels, one thinks,
there must also be devils and demons.

The one awakens, or is tied to, the other.

But you are SO right...

The Catholic Church needs to be reformed,
and the understanding of the law must
come to embrace compassion for all beings,
and the ultimate acceptance of the fact
that men are inseparable from the divine,
and, so, cannot but serve the will of God.

The Will of God is a question of primary importance,
because few seem to understand how it works out
that all things are God's will, yet, only the good is truly God's.

The answer is found in contemplating the spiritual hierarchy.
God's Will is active on many levels, but it is always God's will.

Those who do good are especially blessed,
for they are given the power (the "grace")
to do good by the generosity of God,
and not by virtue of their own efforts.

"Our own efforts"..
Technically, no efforts are our own.
We are agents of God's will,
all operating through relative degrees
and dimensions of unconsciousness.

These are the deeper mysteries that
Christianity can bring us to, if we
have the vision to pursue them,
and the inclination to pursue them
in the context of the Christian mythos.

Because many people do not have this vision,
they misinterpret the law and form false dogmas,
or are hamstrung by the dogmas formed by others.

They are not allowed to develop
because the ideology holds them in its grip,
and, by its nature, denies the free
and spontaneous life of consciousness.

But I do not think these religions should be overthrown.
I think they need to be redeemed and reinterpreted.

Particularly, from the starting point of a religion
like Catholicism, which has so much power over people,
and such a need of being reinterpreted.

It is a shame that those who would be good politicians
are generally too pure to enter the muddy waters of politics.
So people lose faith in politics, and try to change things
from the outside, in all sorts of random, undirected ways.
But if the good men are not in politics, who will listen to the people?

The only "solution" then will be violent revolution.
But revolutions are tedious, repetitive plagues of history.
Have they advanced us, or only shifted power around,
at the tip of a stone, a sword, or bayonet, as it appears?

Reform from within.
It is as needful for institutions,
as it is for individual aspirants.

If we tear it down from the outside,
having lost all faith or hope in its repair,
the Catholic Church will just rise up
in another, perhaps more vicious form.

People's minds are limited by dogmas, yes.
But it is also true that many people are not ready,
and that, given a choice between the truth and the lie,
they will choose the lie a thousand out of a thousand times.
If you remove the lie, they will gravitate to yet another lie.

It must be done with subtlety
and a power to convey new insights
through ancient symbols; to breathe new life
into the rigid idols of the past.

Until another, modern mythology appears
which can replace the Christian structure,
its mythos will continue to be the dominant theme
in the collective unconscious of the western world.

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Valus
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posted April 28, 2009 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

sorry to write so much

you started me up.

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listenstotrees
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From: the ancient city of Oober
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posted April 30, 2009 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with much of what you have typed. However I feel we do have control over the steering wheel even if we don't actually create the roads. We may have played a part in creating the roads however.

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Randall
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posted May 01, 2009 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting.

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