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AcousticGod
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posted January 02, 2010 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't get the kind of clay I wanted for Christmas, but I got some never-hardening clay. I played with it a few days ago. Made a head that's probably just under 2". Here are the pictures:

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posted January 02, 2010 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
On Thursday I got some Sculpey, which will harden with baking. I think I'll give this Claytoon stuff to my roommate's nephew.

I need to find out if the Sculpey distorts in the baking process. I hope to make models with the clay, which I can then cast in resin if I like.

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posted January 03, 2010 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
No, sculpey doesn't distort in the oven. When I was doing clay, I bought a toaster oven to bake mine in. They say you should do that if you are going to working with it alot, because the polymer clay builds up toxins in your regular oven that can contaminate your food.

The only problem that I ever had with polymer clay was this....and you can ask Yin too, when she gets back, cause we were both just talking about getting back into clay....but, like for making objects like what you have there, it is wonderful. Then I wanted to expand from there, so I started making little replicas of peoples dogs. Which looked great. The problem was in the tails. When the clay is formed into a really skinny shape, like a tail, then baked, it becomes, I dunno, brittle? I guess that is the word, anyway, the tails would always break off. I tried baking longer, shorter, etc...and still could never get the tails to not break.

Also, I ended up buying a pasta machine to run it through, because those things are great for blending the colors together, and easy on one's hands.

They have pre-made molds, you probably saw them at Michaels. But they do have another product specifically for making molds as well.

I'm excited for you. That stuff captivated me for a couple years.


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posted January 03, 2010 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
There's another way to cure the clay that's faster and better in some ways apparently. Let me see if I can find the page I found yesterday. Here it is:
http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=79360

You can boil it for a shorter period of time, and still have it cure hard.

With regard to the tails being brittle, what I hope to do might help you. I want to design things in Sculpey, then create a mold using the finished sculpture, and then recast the sculpture in resin. The resin might be more durable.

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posted January 03, 2010 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Cool! I've never heard about boiling it! I'm glad somebody thought of something though, cause I tried everything. I even put wire into the bodies and then into the tails to try and make it more secure.

I did find alot of uses for it though, I made some beads, and I got these cool molds that made tribal faces, old faces, all diff kinds, and I would combine colors, make the faces in the molds, and then use them for all kinds of things. I did a whole mirror using the faces. It was a huge, ugly oval mirror, the frame was gold plastic. I found it in the trash in front of somebodies house. Anyway, I covered that frame in spanish moss and bits of (hmmm, like bark, and chunks of potpourri) and then added the tribal clay faces all around. I sold that at an art show for $65.00. I had it marked $80.00, and I probably would of got that had it not been nearly 100 degrees outside, and the show was fairly dead.

But anyway, I'm gonna hold on to my supplies and clay for awhile. I had it packed up to give to a friend, but if your interested in it, and Yin is thinking about playing with it again, then maybe I will hold on to mine, and between the three of us we may be able to work out the kinks.

*ETA- I read some more of the posts in there, and just wanted to say, if you do bake any of them, use a peice of quilt batting on your cookie sheet. Don't use foil, it will leave you with a flat shiny side. Batting does not burn, and keeps the objects nicely nested, no flat marks.

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posted January 05, 2010 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Gypsee,

Have you ever found Sculpey to be too pliable? I conditioned some the other day. I didn't really sculpt anything; just wanted to get a feel for it. It seemed like it might actually be too soft. What do you think?

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posted January 05, 2010 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad I saw this thread. I bought some never-hardening clay, in November, and finally got the type that I needed on Christmas Eve. Mine is air-drying, so I hope that it works okay, for my project.

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posted January 05, 2010 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to try that at some point, too.

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posted January 06, 2010 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
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GypseeWind
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posted January 06, 2010 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, sometimes it can be a bit mushy. Of course, the more you mess with it the worse it gets with the heat and natural oils from your hands. I only have a bit of sculpey, I use the other brand, hang on, lemme see if I have a bit around to tell you the name of it...K, I don't have any. Who knows the other name brand? It was more popular then Sculpey and Sculpey II?

Anyway, Ag, that brand is less pliable. Which is the reason I bought the pasta machine in the first place. It can be downright difficult to smoosh.

Hey Teasel, I've watched some craft shows and saw that air dry clay is becoming quite popular these days. How long does it take to totally cure???

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posted January 06, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I think the air dry stuff I saw from Amaco dried in a day. I'll be interested to hear what the brand of the other stuff is. I think I got a pound of original Sculpey in white.

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posted January 07, 2010 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, so you got white because you don't plan on keeping the original sculptures per se, but only using them for the molds? Makes sense. I was gonna say, it's easier to buy the colored clay then paint it.

SO, We just got dumped on 8 inches of snow, as soon as I can get to my shed (unless memory kicks in, it's been driving me nuts, cuz, I can see the package, and I keep trying to narrow in on the name but then it goes away) I will go out there and grab my box and tell you the name. I think you would be happier with the other brand. You probably have much stronger hands and it won't bother you as much as it did me to have to "work" it more. I'll check back ASAP.

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posted January 07, 2010 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
SUCCESS!!!

No, I didn't trudge out into the frozen tundra, but I found a book. FIMO, is my brand, and here is something you might like to read.

"......Most brands of polymer clay are sold in two-ounce (56 g) packages as well as larger, one-pound bricks. Polyform Products creates several polymer clays including Sculpey III, which is a populuar brand. Characteristically very soft and workable, it works well for children and beginners. After baking, it tends to be fragile, so I don't recommend it for projects that use thin sheets of clay.
However, it works fine for solid shapes, and has a nice, slightly matte finish after it is baked.

Premo! Sculpey by Polyform Products was developed by Marie and Howard Segal of the Clay Factory of Escondido in response to a need for a polymer clay that combined the workability of Sculpey with the strength and durability of Fimo. Premo is very easy to condition and work with, while being firm enough for creating distinct design elements. it is very strong and considerably flexible after baking.

Fimo, perhaps the best known brand among polymer clay users, is a product of Eberhard-Faber in Germany. Its firmness makes it an excellent clay for canework because it ensures that intricate designs will remain distinct with little distortion. Fimo can be difficult to condition, which is often frustrating for beginners. Because of this a polymer clay called Fimo Soft has been developed...."

RE: difficulty ~ I used to sit on mine, of course while still in the wrap!! For like 20 minutes to get it softer, or, if your impatient, I also placed it on a washcloth on top of a heating pad for a few minutes.

This excerpt is from- Polymer Clay by Irene Semanchuk Dean.

Hope that helps some AG.

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posted January 07, 2010 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'll have to look into that. I wonder if my Michael's carries it.

I was brainstorming ideas for what I could make. Some of what I came up with probably doesn't even require clay sculting to create the mold (as it would require naturally grown branches and so forth). I could potentially add a bit of clay sculpture to the branches to make something interesting, but it wouldn't necessarily be required. What's interesting is realizing that if I'm going to do stuff with resin that I'll have to ensure that it doesn't come out seeming like a toy, because it is just plastic. I'm not even certain about how dense and weighty the stuff might be.

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posted January 07, 2010 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I bought Fimo at Walmart, but this was before all our walmarts became the superstores. Do you still have a regular walmart in your area? I would check there if you do. It was ALOT cheaper then Michaels. Oh, and the last package of Fimo I bought, about a year ago, was at JoAnn fabrics. I don't know if that is a chain or just regional, but again, cheaper than Michaels.

I know nothing about resin, can't offer any advice there.

But I did want to add with the polymer clay, if you make an object and then want to glue to something, as I did the mirror frame, you have to buy a special glue. Hot glue does NOT work. Because the clay is plastic, it is very hard to stick to stuff. The glue I got was in a tube, smelled like burning hell, and was costly. I cannot remember the name of that, but I do still have some, somewhere, so when and if you get to that point, I will look for it for you. I remember the tube was white, with black writing and it had a number with the name, (something 1,000).

You can always hollow out the object too, if the back is not going to show, to make it less weighty.

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posted January 07, 2010 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I have both a regular Walmart and a Joann's I can go to. I don't think the Walmarts out here will become Super, because there's too much competition (and now Target's trying to get in on the big box action,too).

I'd actually like the resin to be weighty. I hope it's like glass (like plexiglass), because if I'm creating artistic decorations the weight will add to levity of the piece. If it's too light-weight it might seem like cheap junk. I'd only want it to be light if it's for hanging on a wall. You know us Earth signs, we like rocks.

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posted January 08, 2010 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Yep, I do Mr. Flintstone, and funny thing, Yin and I were just last week talking about Earth signs and art. We decided Capricorns make the best musicians. We could not think of a Capricorn painter between the two of us. And I said, "maybe paint is too watery a medium for a Cap, perhaps sculpting would be their forte'" and now look at ya. (wink)

So, ok, some sort of wall art is your final destination then? I wasn't sure at the beginning exactly what you were going for. In true Cap fashion, you DO make me work for the details!

Lucky you for having a normal Walmart. Mine is like the one on "people of walmart." I only go when dragged. Our Target is about to go out of business, shame, I do like Target. The super Walmarts have taken over, and they put at least two in every suburb in the area.

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posted January 08, 2010 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message

You're funny. I don't know of any Capricorn painters off the top of my head either. Capricorn whatshisname Anthony Hopkins played Scorp Picasso (?) in a movie I watched recently.

Wall art isn't necessarily my final destination, though it may be one of my destinations. No, my first inclination is to items that sit on stuff. I thought about creating scupltures of essentially potted plants (but I'm realizing that it might not turn out as cool as I envision). I'm still considering busts and heads. I did actually conceive some wall art last night. I know modern design wall art would be a cinch. Clocks, too.

My parents live almost across the street from a Super Walmart. In fact, they have cheap lunches there frequently.

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posted January 08, 2010 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, I LOVE Calvin and Hobbs. I used to have all their books. My ex got mad cuz I would read them in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep, and then supress the giggles until I couldn't anymore, and finally burst out in full belly laughter when he had to be up at like, 5am.

*In the above scenario, I would SO be Hobbs and you would SO be Calvin.

Picasso was a Scorp??? Will my obsession ever end?? OK, now I must know about Dali. Now where is it that you guys get your celebrity data from? I have to bug Yin all day with my endless rock star musings because I am a terrible "googler."
I type in something like "birthdata for rock star.....whomever" and up pops things like:

*Birthday cakes cheap!
*Birthday decorations you can make at home
*Rock gardens and supplies
*Stars and Stripes - sheet music/Americana

etc... (?) I wonder what I am doing wrong.

Cheap lunch at WalMart huh? Hmm, ours has a Subway in it, and I think the other one has a McDonalds. I would feel like a monkey in a zoo eating there though, cuz they put the restaurants right by the entrance.

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posted January 08, 2010 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't realize that the whole comic wasn't part of the picture I selected, so it's fixed now with both lines.

For the birthday of a celebrity, most of the time you only Google their name. That'll generally turn up a wikipedia entry with their birthdate. If that doesn't work I usually turn to the name plus "born," because that'll show any pages with the celeb's name, and the word 'born' on the page. Keep it simple.

The Super Walmart by my parents has it's own restaurant, and it's absurdly cheap. We had hotdogs there one day when I was there, and they were under $2 each. In fact I think we got a combo that included a drink for under $4. I remember that our total bill would be what I'd pay for a meal for myself at a fast food place here. It was in the 6 - 7 dollar range.

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posted January 08, 2010 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, and get this...I got that particular comic strip from a link on my Capricorn former boss's facebook page.

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posted January 09, 2010 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't buy anything, but I was in Michael's tonight. Lots of Fimo...in tiny quantities.

Here's the thing I hate about these new artistic pursuits. I can't perfectly conceptualize things, and I don't have experience with a lot of the products. I want to skip all the mistakes and the money they'll cost, so I try to be thorough in thinking things through. It's a bit debilitating.

Tonight I came up with perhaps a more interesting, cost-effective approach for my model making. In the clay aisle there was the air drying clay, and there was also paper mache that is sculptable (I may have just made that word up). The paper mache stuff claims that it'll adhere to lots of surfaces. It's also obviously lightweight. That got me to thinking about maybe combining the paper mache with the styrofoam shapes they have there (including the ones they have in the floral department) to make shapes that could potentially be used to make a mold. It could be more cost-effective way of doing larger sculptures. If not, at least it would make for a more physically manageable ones.

I also noticed Crayola's all natural air dry clay. I noticed that at Michael's and then later at Target. Another option.

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posted January 09, 2010 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
So, you're culpable for inventing "sculptable?"

Yes, I should of told you that the Fimo comes in small packages, but the color is really dense. Alot of people order the large brick online, in white, and then blend in the smaller brick to get color. Or you can paint it.

I know what you mean though, about buying art supplies. I always jump in head first and end up with alot of stuff I really don't need.
I probably could of done without the pasta machine, I mean, it was only $20, but, I didn't get that much use out of it. Once you use it for clay (same with a cookie sheet, or any utensils) you are never supposed to let food touch it. So, now I have a pasta machine in a box in my shed.

Same thing with alot of scrap booking stuff. I have crimpers, and punches, and stuff like that, when in reality, I barely ever use more than one simple punch. Those supplies are still in pretty hot demand though, so I can probably sell them at the flea market come spring.

Do you have the DIY network or the H&G network? They used to have alot of sculpting shows, and clay making shows on there. I think it better to watch some stuff like that, and maybe draw out your ideas before investing a lot of cash.

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posted January 09, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, and RE: styrofoam shapes....if your going to get into that, I suggest you get a set of wood carving knives. That stuff can be a be otch to carve into any detail. It breaks off in chunks where you've applied pressure. I also saw on a craft show where people use those old electric knives, the ones our Mom's carved turkey with? You can pick one of those up at Goodwill.

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posted January 11, 2010 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I was thinking about using the styrofoam as a core, too. Like it would be the starting shape, and I'd just add the paper mache to create my shape.

I thought I was going to create something (out of the sculpey I've got) over the weekend, but I didn't get around to it.

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