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Ayelet
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posted March 16, 2017 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Abundance

I wish I didn't have to choose.
I wish I could walk both paths.
I wish I knew the outcomes.
I dare not leave either way.
Can they both be mine?

My Gemini moon and Mars have me split -
my destination is two-sided.
Torn between my love and my love,
unable to commit myself
to one kind of silver and gold,

am I to be poor, then?

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posted March 17, 2017 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted March 17, 2017 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LF DX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can feel you, I have the same problems, I often like two women at the same time, and tend to be indecisive, so I end up with nobody. Venus in libra things.

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posted March 17, 2017 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ayelet ...

Honestly.. in a way, your words preach to my choir again!

Wonderful description.

The image I get when I think of you, is someone looking at two different sides of the SAME coin. Not flat, but dimensional, each side actually reflecting the 'same thing' depending how you view it. Find the common denominator?

Abundance.... That sounds really good!
I hope the right decision floats to the top for you and makes itself totally apparent.

And if you want BOTH? I hope there's a way to do it that reveals itself soon.

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posted March 17, 2017 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Randall -
@LF DX - Yes. The difference between Libra and Gemini is that Libra is having a hard time making up her mind, while Gemini changes his mind every couple of hours. The result might be similar, though.
@Mirage - yes, perhaps there is no one right answer but a needed action. But indecision is paralising. I am identifying with the words of a certain song: "I make a lot of mistakes in my mind."

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posted March 18, 2017 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ayelet ... What kind of indecision? Talk to me. Does it have to do with the education program?

Are they not giving you enough information to decide with?

No one should be forced into something without completely knowing what's involved should you act.

What is it you need?

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(music) Chicago (Sufjan Stevens, lyrics) [6:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOL0ll2cLGk

(music) Chicago (Sufjan Stevens, perf by The Staves) [5:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS8OZp8bCak

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posted March 18, 2017 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay Mirage! You know the song! You are knowledgable

The program is very expansive and demanding. I do want to invest myself, but I don't want something else to die. I haven't been too fertile in writing the last couple of years and it annoys me, as I used to be more creative and derived of it a lot of happiness. Going to the program may mean I am giving up something precious that I don't know if I still possess and want to find out. I want to publish poetry I have written. That too is costly.
I know Ra said therapy can be creative as well. I do love to deal with people, and it also seems to be an internal need (7th house sun and Venus). But creating has made me feel so much alive, and despite my struggles, I wouldn't want to close that chapter in my life. In a way it feels like death. I am not exaggerating. There is something I don't want to die yet. Wish I could do something about that.

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posted March 18, 2017 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are Kind, Ayelet.

It was the computer that found the song for me, using the phrase you gave. I didn't recognize that song automatically off the top of my head... When I listened, yes, there was a vague familiarity with the song.

It is Beautiful, and I can see by the text how you would relate to this.


Before I say anything else to you--

I want to know first--

What is this expansive program you're being offered?
What would you be doing or studying?
Can you please say more about that?

I thought you were entering a program that would teach you how to be a therapist? Is this the program?

Also----

What degree is your Ascendant?
Has Pluto contacted it yet?

Glad to hear where your Sun and Venus are. I know that my Jupiter is conjunct your Sun.

We have Healer and MusicArtsWritingAwakenerCreative Chiron approaching a trine with that Sun Cancer (you) and my Uranus-Jupiter(me) right now.

{snip-- I delineate too much! LOL and I really don't have a copy of your chart-- only my ephemeris}.

(music) Helplessly Hoping (Crosby, Stills & Nash, 1969, lyrics) [2:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtFRsCXRcc

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posted March 18, 2017 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, now you have a copy of my chart, since I sent you a link via e-mail!

ascendant in 13 degrees Cappy. Pluto in my 1st hose now, opposite my Venus.

As for the program, it will suffice to say here that it's the therapy thing.

By the way, I see Chiron is a healer, but creative? The arts? How come?

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posted March 18, 2017 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ayelet!

I'm not feeling my best today. ugh!!
Sorry for a shortcut response 'for now'.

You might get some good answers from this video. Enjoy!

(topic) Chiron, Spiritual Awakening and Natal Horoscope Placement (Jean Wiley) [23:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mhVDHVDbU

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posted March 19, 2017 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope you feel better.

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posted March 19, 2017 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Mirage, I, too, hope things are brightening for you. I have seen part of the vid and still didn't understand how Chiron is connected with the arts,but perhaps I need to complete my listening. I arrived so far to Chiron in the 5th (which is my placement).

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posted March 20, 2017 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's referred to in a really general way in the first two to three minutes. Then she covers that again at around soundmark 12:00 for another couple of minutes.

When she described Chiron in the 4th, (basically) a psychological Healer (therapist)-- don't you think that this fits what you are choosing to do now, in your vocational training?

tSaturn moving through your 12th is a good time for this study-- because as you are learning to be a therapist, it requires that you also undergo more counseling. Just by itself, delving into that material (in classroom, or with a peer, or a mentor-counselor should help you). I think that's great.

The more you know yourself, the more you'll be able to help someone else--

Even if something were to occur where you live, and everyone's formal education would have to be put aside a while for whatever reasons come up-- (I'm talking about REAL practicalities in the unstable times we live in-- not prognosticating)-- EVERY COURSE that you've taken and completed, is a step towards your Success (with or without the degree or certificate).

You will have LEARNED something that later can be practically applied--
e.g. In an emergency? (like a national emergency?), you will have more Confidence to tend to people's psychological aid, as you 'find' them, and stop to give aid as a first-responder counselor. And even the first-responders need peer-counsel at times.
e.g. AND, all your learning can help your OWN inner-self speak with Understanding (and more inner gentle general authority) to address-within what's happening with you. {ISH}

Journaling/writing about your experiences can ALWAYS be used in some way in the future to even sell articles about what happened, (or write the creative poems you're great at).

There's a lot you could do in your own community... Just 'put on that hat' (role) and start to notice how you'll find ideas on how to do that. (Don't put ANY pressure on yourself when you do that--- "simply" own the role you would want to do, and "observe" yourself, your reactions-- you might get some great ideas you can apply 'in the FUTURE'. lol....no pressures. Just for Fun.)
Keep your antennae up!

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posted March 20, 2017 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Hope you feel better.

I really appreciate that, Randall.
It really really depends on the level of sonics, and the amount of quality sleep I got.

Can't predict it. And that's soooo dern frustrating!

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posted March 20, 2017 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, my chiron is in the 5th, not the 4th. I am also not wounded by my parents\my home. But I felt Chiron in the 5th description resonated with me.

I still have doubts, and allowing myself to entertain those doubts, regarding my vocation, for reasons that do not fit a post in a public forum. And besides those reasons, going to the program may mean the end of a past dream. And tUranus is beginning to square my sun (approaching 4 degrees away already from the square), so I have to be determined and KNOW that is the right path, otherwise Uranus may interfere, or it may interfere anyway. I DO want to contribute. I always did many things, and now I have to COMMIT. Because I can't afford financially and time-wise doing both (though I can keep my volunteering).

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posted March 21, 2017 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pearlty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Meaningful poem Ayelet

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posted March 21, 2017 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted March 22, 2017 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know best Ayelet.

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posted March 27, 2017 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I changed my mind
I only have to see how I can afford studying.

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posted March 27, 2017 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Laughing! ME TOO, Ayelet!!

If you were to learn to be a therapist, and on-the-side were able to take a peek at charts (like Carl Jung did), you could have an ADVANTAGE to give your client a more-thorough experience.

I found too, that when people have symbols to play with (like telling them they are in a Saturn transit), it makes it easier for them. Almost like giving them a strange kind of Dignity back? Helps them view their life more Patiently, too? (if it's going to be a long one)

Using astro-therapy can shave time and expenses.

You already have a DEVASTATING ability to have Insight. Wow! (Astral Realms mod).

Take those three things-- your natural ability, some credentials in counseling, WITH a side of astrology, and you'll possibly do great things with your talents.

Remember, it's not about the money, and being greedy. It's about Quality in life. BEING Quality, GIVING Quality.

When you're doing the Best with what you Got, then BE Pleased with yourself, ON PURPOSE! *grin*

Look for some used books... (psych astrology)
Some Stephen Arroyo?
Also Astrological Insights into Personality,
c1980 Betty Lundsted.

These can be difficult to read (dated-material, patriarchal??? LOL) --- and can be triggering too, for good or bad depending on what's going on with the processing in your psyche. If that happens, back up and take break!! Dip your toes, yes go deep, but don't drown.

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Of course, right now in sky transits, it might be hard to identify and PIN anything down securely for yourself yet? We're supposed to go-inward and Listen. Just let it 'come' to you.

I saw this great saying the other day.

The word LISTEN ... has the same letters in it as
the word SILENT.

*God's GC Whirly-Swirl*
(Galactic Center)
(causing interruptions / interferences / re-Directions? )
*Stay Tuned*!

He ain't quite Done with us yet!

God... You there?

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posted March 29, 2017 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayelet:
And I changed my mind
I only have to see how I can afford studying.

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posted March 30, 2017 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll do my best not to drown, Mirage
I would love to read some good psychological astrology books. Have read one by Liz Green a long while ago, which was interesting, though at the time didn't attract me to read more of her work. I thought then the attraction she points to between air and water or between earth and fire is irregular.

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posted March 30, 2017 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
I'll do my best not to drown, Mirage

hahaha.. in de-Nile?

I've never read Liz Green, so I don't know.
I read that one LL'er had purchased one of her readings and thought it was too (psychologically) rough on her?

But then, you and are veterans of sorts?
*We be tougher and more-seasoned with the language*

If you get the chance to borrow those books I mentioned (even if you don't take your courses), you might find it valuable to play with some of the meanings to see how it could give you greater insights into chart aspects.

Sometimes, you can just 'learn things' from general descriptions without really paying attention to the astrology itself.

Insights are insights, linked to astrology or not!

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posted March 31, 2017 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch out for the shark!

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