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Ayelet
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posted November 20, 2017 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Art, creative writing included, can add beauty to the world and explore different truths. But do you believe it can save lives?

And can someone write so altruistically as to erase one's ego?

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posted November 20, 2017 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LF DX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the first question, yes, it did save mine, and with that, as with the people I've met, I try to inspire to make people grab a guitar and express their inner emotions.

The second is quite hard, The battle with ego is one of the most difficult things an artist must endure.

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posted November 21, 2017 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great answers, LF DX. *heart*

It can absolutely save lives...
Sometimes pictures, and songs, like life, are not always pleasant or Beautiful. It's hard. It's gritty, harsh, and filled with pain.

And WITH 'all that pain' and IN the suffering, and while wading through rubble and broken pieces...... we can Create Art with those.

We can catch a glimpse of the 'person' objectively-- pull back to Center, to the I AM Artist.

IN the pieces that reflect back, you can know that you are 'not' the bad things of your life, and you are 'not' what happens to your canvas (even when you feel that pain, sooo keenly, so present in your life)....

YOU are the Expresser, and a part of a WHOLE Design of Life. (Other people can come by our paths, and cause damage with their self-wills, and interrupt some processes, with extraordinary super-bad timings, sometimes.)

You are MORE than that, and you Deserve to Celebrate whatever you GOT through, and, whatever you're GOING to have to go through some more.

Sometimes we can't feel or See our own Beauty.
We can only hope that people can come into our lives who in something incidental they may say, may CAUSE a Key to Turn in your mess, where you See 'Who' you truly are....

And THAT is that EACH Soul is Beautifully and MASTERFULLY made. No Soul is 'all' rotten... especially if you've had some REALLY REALLY REALLY PAINFUL and rotten things happen to you, Ayelet, and all who read .....

Sometimes, when things are SOOOO BAD, you can look back on the rubble, and see the little diamonds, the little bright specks. And THAT .... is Beautiful.

You ... are Beautiful.

(music) Diamonds (by Rihanna, written by Sia; perf by One Voice Children's Choir) [1:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIeKy8mD-1k


As far as 'ego' work is concerned...
That's a quagmire.
Not all shadow-workers are 'of the Light'.
Choose your sources extremely Wisely.

Having 'an ego' is part of the deal of Incarnating.
You HAVE to have a healthy ego functioning, in order to be successful.
LF DX has charisma, because of ego that is able to push self out there, to stand, to Create.

People who have had their 'ego's' SHATTERED over and over again, without a chance to be Human and nurtured, don't know how to stand for themselves in life. They tend to break down, so easily. You have to find others who Support you in the Right ways.... Maybe?, those individuals are rare gems.

Judge a Teacher by the Fruit they make of/in you. Not all teachers are to be celebrated. Some do evil things..... intentionally, or not intentionally.

GOD will Rightly judge these, who cause Souls to break, rather than Grow. They need to know where the 'good' cuts need to be made on a growing plant. Cutting the wrong way, can destroy, and make vulnerable.


Yes, there IS such a thing as 'High' Ego. And THAT can be dangerous ...especially if that person is a leader in an extremely responsible position. Narcissists. People who cannot place themselves in 'other people's' shoes.

I think some 'Teachers' can say they are busting-you-down for your 'own good' ... when actually, they are brutish, shallow, snobby bullies, in disguise. Some Radically BEAUTIFUL Souls have been ravished by so-called guru-types.

Be Loving with your self.

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posted November 21, 2017 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@LF DX'
I used to think art was saving my life, but it was actually people who did. Art, or writing, is something you can do when you are totally alone with yourself. But I want to get to people, and so in the last couple of years I didn't much like being alone.
I don't know if my ego is "an artist's ego", or something like that. Sometimes I feel like I want to erase myself, or the ego. I don't feel like it's massive or whatever.

What is life all about? I used to write because of ego, I guess, because I admired writers, and because it was part of my quest to find truth. I wanted to be part of beauty, or a meaningful message. But you can find beauty everywhere, or you may as well try. I think that on his way to Jerusalem, when Jesus saw the corpse of an animal, he must have been shocked. He probably also knew, by then, that he was going to die. So he admired loudly the beauty in the corpse. Isn't that art?

@Mirage,
I never met bad teachers who influenced me, so I wouldn't know. Besides, can't anyone, even a good one, make a mistake? But if there are no mistakes in the universe, who can judge?

If I write today, it is to make sure that I can.

Thank you for the replies and the song!

Edit: Art is not the home of beauty.

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posted November 21, 2017 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pearlty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Art, creative writing included, can add beauty to the world and explore different truths. But do you believe it can save lives?

And can someone write so altruistically as to erase one's ego?


Yes, I truly do believe art can save lives. Tapping into your own or others' artistic mediums is therapeutic on many levels. At least it has been for me.

As for ego, I feel perhaps not absolutely erase it, but one can find and be at peace with their individual ego, through writing.

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posted November 21, 2017 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pearlty:
Yes, I truly do believe art can save lives. Tapping into your own or others' artistic mediums is therapeutic on many levels. At least it has been for me.

As for ego, I feel perhaps not absolutely erase it, but one can find and be at peace with their individual ego, through writing.


Hi Pearlty
I'm glad writing have had that value for you. I wrote since a young age, but I don't think it has made me a better person, maybe only in my own eyes. It actually made me proud, which is why, I think, I try to erase my ego. Sometimes I don't know who I am anymore, because I'm so immersed in other people's lives that I kind of forget myself. If I wrote more then maybe it wouldn't have happened, because I would have had a greater sense of self. But getting out of myself was what helped me the most, helped me to feel better. I think I will never be the same, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I write more lately, and I wonder whether I will be assigned a new Muse. I don't know where the old muse went, perhaps it took a turn to neverland, just around the corner.


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posted November 22, 2017 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 02, 2017 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 06, 2017 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pearlty: You're right about the ego. It shouldn't be erased. But... sublimated, perhaps.

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posted June 18, 2018 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Pearlty: You're right about the ego. It shouldn't be erased. But... sublimated, perhaps.

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posted July 01, 2018 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little bit of an ego is healthy. All things in moderation.

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posted September 03, 2018 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted September 03, 2018 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
I don't know where the old muse went, perhaps it took a turn to neverland, just around the corner.


I can totally resonate with this. Nowadays I don't dabble into writing poetry that keeps the readers riveted (or, you can say I cant). I am searching some sort of muse that arouses the passionate writer in me, where words flow in a silken manner. That's why I am absent from posting here for long.

I hope the muse reconciles with you and connects with you at the soul level.

As for your second question - It feels, as an artist we have an alter-ego that drapes our soul leaving us with two souls. One that is embossed within the alter-ego, and one that is on the exterior.

When there is osmosis through this layer the two souls merge and turn into one. And then, their is no alter-ego, but one supreme 'ego' that needs to be stroked by the readers or the writers themselves. It's very hard to stand on the other side of the ground and see things with a stoic disposition because like a parent, a writer also loves his/her creation like their own child. One then finds refuge in self-contemplation.

Ego, is 'I', which we all are, so it's absolutely near impossible to deal with one's ego. How can you be away from your existence? As long as you are feted by your readers the ego is caressed but the moment it stops the ego slowly dies, but it dies a painful death.

So in my opinion, ego can be toned down by constantly keeping it in check and pointing out to oneself when it starts growing.

After-all we are our best teachers.

Hope this gibberish made sense lol

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posted September 03, 2018 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi thequeen
I wrote a somewhat long answer and decided to delete and change, bc it feels so personal to me.

I don't feel I have to write as urgently as before in order to exist.

I feel muse might be everywhere we are, and art is expanded to living.

You may think about what has diverted your muse, and may find an answer to the way your creativity has shifted.

I wish you the use of positive imagination for a wonderful creation of your life.

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posted September 04, 2018 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 04, 2018 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Ayelet. I found my muse in a poetry today I came across in The New Yorker. I am pasting it here with credits.

Bottle Of Wine

I like to park a few blocks from the house of my hosts
And walk with my bottle of wine the tree-lined streets,
Anticipating the dinner with friends that awaits me.
A bottle of wine showing not only that I知 grateful
To be included but that I知 eager to do my part,
To offer a gift that won稚 survive the evening,
That says I致e set aside the need for transcendence
And made my peace at last with living in time.
Soon we値l welcome the evening with a toast.
Soon we値l be toasting it in farewell
As it starts on its journey into the near past
And then the far. Do the houses I知 passing
Regard me as a creature about to vanish
Into the realm of shadow while they have resolved
To hold their ground? But the bottle I知 carrying
Shows how the past can enhance the present.
The grapes it was made from were plucked and pressed
Seven years ago in a vineyard in Burgundy
According to customs already in place for generations
By the time these houses moved from the realm
Of blueprints and estimates into brick and wood.
The bottle will testify that traditions once honored
Are being adhered to still, with patience, with pride.
And if the past is present this evening, isn稚 the future
Present as well in the thought that the ritual
I知 helping to pass along will prove enduring,
That however much the world around it may alter,
Guests will still perform it in eras to come?
I hope I feel their presence in spirit
Under these trees later this evening
As I walk back to my car with empty hands.

--By Carl Dennis

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posted September 04, 2018 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This muse of yours offer a truly great meditation. Loved it.

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