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Author Topic:   Gooooooood Girl, where for art thou? I need horary help :(
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 05, 2009 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
If not Good Girl, then anyone...
I am feeling pretty uneasy about meeting with my ex from 7 years ago tomorrow. He's the one whose Saturn exactly conjuncts my Sun and who is going through his own first Saturn Return.
Oh, and t Saturn is hitting my Sun exactly right now as well .
It all feels very karmic, and I am hoping we can have some kind of closure or something, but I don't really know what he wants and I'm kinda scared of being ensnared again (though I do feel pretty confident regardless).
Anyway, I am terrified in a way and hoping maybe someone can do a horary for me? I can't seem to muster the right mindset to make up the chart myself
If someone can post it up and help me out, I'd be really, really grateful and beholden

thanks....

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 05, 2009 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone?!

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girlloveboy
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posted January 05, 2009 04:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I would help you, but its you, who have to ask this question at the time you want it, cause you are the only one who knows exactly what you want to know.

Very important that the question should be as simple as possible.

If you have problem with posting the chart, then just write down your question, the time you asked it, and the place you live.

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Got Gemini?
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posted January 05, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah MVM, you have to ask the question yourself. If possible, be as specific in your line of questioning as possible. I hope all works out well for you regardless of what a horary chart says.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 05, 2009 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Argh. Fair enough, guys. Thanks.
I'll put it up here in a minute or so.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 05, 2009 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Ok...So, the question is how will things go when I meet with him tomorrow evening, as in will it suck or go well?


Man, I cannot even imagine how to read this lol

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girlloveboy
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posted January 05, 2009 05:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Ok, so the chart doenst have a strong validity, but it can be interpreted.

You're Jupiter, he's Mercury (as he's represented by the 7th house cusp, which is in Gemini).

Jupiter will very soon change sign, so sth will surely change from your part. When jupiter enters Aquarius it will be in a better shape (so i guess it will be some kind of positive change)

On the other hand, based on this chart, it wouldnt be a surprise if this meeting would not happen - at least not tomorrow - casue the Moon (which shows the events) is Void of course, so it wont have any major aspect before it changes sign. And usually this either shows that not much will happen or that the actions are unpredictable.

And also, there will be no aspect between your significators (Jupiter and Mercury) before Jupiter change sign.

And there are no mutual reception either which would help the meeting.

Mercury will soon become retrograde, so im thinkig that it will be him who would cancel this meeting, becasue when a significator is retro, it means the person would change his mind or is confused about sth.

Thats the basic of what i could get from this chart. Please let us know what happens, because thats the way we can learn.
Horary is just a guideline.

Good luck, anyway.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 05, 2009 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for taking the time to do this girloveboy
Yes, I'll keep everyone posted.
I just realized the moon is in Aries right now too, conjunct my moon. Man, it's making me feel loopy. And ewwww, it's void-of-course? No wonder I feel like crap right now LOL
The whole thing does feel really loopy in general to me, and unpredictable....cancellation wouldn't surprise me...we shall see!!!

thanks again...

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posted January 05, 2009 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Hey girlloveboy, isn't the quesited in her question represented by the 5th house of romantic matters in this case? I thought the 5th house was for romance questions and the 7th house for marriage questions (amongst other things of course).

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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Here I am MVM!
I don't want to step on anyones toes here but in horary there are strict rules, and one is if the moon is void of course the chart can not be read-period.
Howeverthe moon is not void of course here as it will aspect jupiter before it leaves the sign.

I'll be back in a few to do the chart.

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Okay You are the 1st house-querent. Your husband is the 7th because 7th represent any other person your asking about. (Besides your ques. is how will it go, not will there be romance=5th)
First there has to be an aspect between you and the subject house involved. There is jupiter conj mercury.And it is in a friendly sign (for him, aquarius). (Your indicator is in capricorn, aparently your not feeling as friendly as he about this.)Note that the sun also represents the male in the chart and it is in capricorn so there is a shared something between the two of you.Perhaps reserve and caution on both your parts.

Next any planets in the 1st are very important in determining the outcome. Mars and pluto conj in capricorn.Pluto indicates complications and that you are vulnerable somehow. Mars shows anger. Capricorn might be showing your holding on to the past/having a harder time than need be with this.

The moon is important because it shows how things progress. The first aspect made is important in what can be expected. For this there chiron, known as wounded healer in sextile to moon. Sextile is good because it represents opportunities. So there definately is the opportunity for healing. The last aspect is important because it points to the outcome. Here we get a square to jupiter.
As you know a square is related to the houses 4-10, representing past and future. Jupiter is your indicator, so it looks like the anger issue is holding you back from happiness ( and expansion)See how moon is in aries representing anger?
Now the 4th, counted from the subject asked about (which is a meeting) represents the end of the matter. I'm unsure which to look at for a meeting. Since the two of you are conj in the 2nd house (is this a meeting of money or other 2nd issues?)we could count 4th from 2nd =5th with aries on the cusp,it's ruler taking us back into your 1st conj pluto.
I think it best to just take the 4th as final out come for you, and 10th as final out come for hubby guy (10= 4th from 7th).
So the outcome for you is pisces , with its ruler conj chiron. Maybe a bit vague or leaves you feeling up in the air some, but the wounded healer helps.So there probably isn't a nice clean finish to this but you've at least been given the opportunity to deal/heal with your anger.

So here's how I see it. And the rule in horary is there is no subjectivity on my part, I have to stick strictly with what is shown. Your anger needs to be dealt with because it is THE issue at the forefront of the chart.(mars/pluto in 1st)It's too wide of an orb to count the trine to saturn but it's better than a square.The opportunity for healing mars/pluto comes from the sextile to venus in the 3rd. This is good, it is an applying aspect so it's not too late to talk(3rd) things out.

Now if I am to be completely honest, and I will because you determine the outcome. The last aspect from the moon is to your jupiter. You decide the results of this meeting. The thing is the square may blow the moon in aries out of proportion(jupiter).
So while you should not repress your feelings, have a practical goal in mind, the outcome you would like and be measured in your actions.

Now if I were permitted a bit of subjectivity I'd say , whoa! Looks like your ready to explode all over him (pluto conj.mars/ conj sun) Your looking scary right now MVM

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
If he's on his saturn return maybe you want to post his chart to see where he is mentally during all this.

Either that or we could figure out the best ways to put the screws to him

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posted January 05, 2009 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Good Girl, I thought the moon being void of course makes a horary chart unreliable and unreadable correct?

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Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I just wanted to add that void of course moon means the moon won't make any aspects between now and before it leaves the sign it's in. Here the moon is 26 degrees and jupiter is 29.

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Am I wrong? I don't think the moon is void of course, is it Gemini??
Also she said there was no mutual reception between the significators but jupiter is in capricorn and mercury is in aquarus which by traditional rulers share saturn, so isn't that mutual reception??

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I quote:
'It begins when the moon in transit makes the last major aspect it will make before it changes from one sign in the zodiac to the next.'

I'm gonna grab my ephemeris.
I'm back. The void started jan 5 2:45 until jan 5 15:47 (universal time) when it enters taurus. So yes that would put the moon void of course!!

Which according to my ephemeris puts jupiter as in aquarius. But look at her chart jupiter is 29 degrees cap!!

What is going on???

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Will some else look at the moon and jupiter and explain how it is void?
Doesn't jupiter at 29 degrees count? The moon will square it...so how????

PleaZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!! I'm going bonkers!

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posted January 05, 2009 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Gotgemini

Its a 7th house issue, not only because its about his ex - so it was a committed relationship - but also because in her question she only said "him"... and as far as i know, if you doenst define who is this person for you (like "my husband, my crush, my friend.." then you have to look the 7th house.

I usually use the 5th house when the question is about a date, or an affair or about sex.

And yes, normally when you see the Moon being void of course, theres not much you can tell about the question itself, but as i see, the horary charts always show much more than just the question, so i think even if its VOC, you can always find sth interesting.

good girl
The Moon will not catch Jupiter, because it will change sign a bit sooner. At least when i checked it, thats what i saw.

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
What do you mean it won't catch jupiter??
By aspect?

Ohhhhh! Do you mean jupiter will move out of capricorn before the moon hits 29 degrees??

But still aren't we comparing the transiting moon to jupiters position in the chart, not as it moves too??

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posted January 05, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Come back girloveboy......(oh, I mean that in a friendly way,,please..

I need to know..
aren't we comparing to the actual chart position of jupiter???

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girlloveboy
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posted January 05, 2009 12:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message
According to my program, when the Moon will be at 28'57 Aries, than Jupiter will already be at 0'00 Aquarius...

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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I understand, but when doing transits to a natal we use the natal position. Hence when checking what the future brings aren't we going to check it agains the jupiter 29 degrees she locked in on her chart.....do you know what I mean?

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posted January 05, 2009 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Good Girl, I always check the moon void of course tables on google. I just use whatever site pops up first LOL. And thanx for clearing that house issue up for me girlloveboy.

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Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
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Cancer Venus 29˚
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good girl
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posted January 05, 2009 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe I didn't ask it right, let me try another way.

The chart shows the birth of her question. It is fixed. To see what happens we transit over it with the moon. (Or we could over time follow the question with transits from other planets, but we would always compare to the birth of this ques.)
If we compare the transiting planets to each other they have no connection to the chart. Know what I mean. We compare transits (in horary we use the moon because it's the fastest , but isn't the process the same) against the chart.

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posted January 05, 2009 01:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message
good girl

Ya, i understand you now, but no, according to what i've learnt, you always have to compare their position according to the transits.

So, when the Moon moves forward, the other planets also moves forward, and this is what you have to check.

(sorry, my english is not perfect)

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