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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
This is my first Horary question. Ever.

I was telephoned tonight by an old high school friend who wanted to meet up tomorrow. Of course my response was "Yes" but then she told me that there is a 110% chance that i will also be meeting a not-so-former love of mine. A umm... a person who i considered killing myself over, if i'm going to be honest. The man from my very controversial "Determining Mutal Feelings" thread- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017328.html

Anywho... I asked whether or not i should go and face him tomorrow. I needed universal help, because i honestly don't know if i'm ready or not.

Any insight- you don't have to give a long drawn out explanation if you don't wish to- would do wonders. A simple "it's a good idea" or "this could be harmful to you" would be sincerely, sincerely appreciated.

Thank you.

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted January 09, 2009 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Meta-4,

I'm not a Horary expert, but I have studied it in the past long enough to know that the Moon represents the querent, that's the person asking the question and that when you're looking for a positive answer to a question, there shouldn't be a square or opposition to the Moon, ESPECIALLY from Saturn.

Notice how the square between Saturn and Moon is exact at 21 degrees and 42 minutes. I know enough about Horary Astrology to know that this is the chart saying an EMPHATIC AND CLEAR "NO!"

It's saying "no action should or will be taken." It's the simplest part of Horary and in this case, simple is POWERFUL.

To go a little bit further, remember that you don't use any of the outer planets meaning, no Uranus, no Neptune, no Pluto. So in this case, Saturn is the traditional ruler of Aquarius and that is the 5th house of love and romance in this chart. Once again, it is square the Moon. In Horary, Saturn is a malefic. In other words in Horary astrology there is clearly "good" and "bad" planets and Saturn is considered bad for romance and love here.

Last but not least, before you even have to look at a chart, you're allowed to guage your own feelings and you seem to have indicated that you KNOW it's not time for you to see him yet. Trust yourself. It sounds like excellent self-care for you to create a boundary for yourself by not seeing him. You sound very wise.

Take good care of Meta-4 and God bless you with this situation.

Geocosmic Valentine (going to bed now zzzz)
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spunknini
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posted January 09, 2009 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Meta

I am going to give you the only advice I can, which isn't astrological but psychological.

1. If you go...You have a friend there for moral support, you also can "face the fear & do it anyway" just to see how this person affects your state of mind now that you have dealt with some emotional issues & learn that they no longer have the power over you that they used to & realise your'e free.

or 2. If you you are gripped by real fears of seeing them again to the point that you can't sleep, eat or distract yourself then you are not ready yet.

Now analyze your heart, mind & spirit in peace to make your decision, why? because it's your decision to make & no one else's.

*Sending you waves of loving fairy dust*

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted January 09, 2009 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Woooow...that fairy dust is pretty...

Oops, caught sneaking a read under my covers. OK, I'm going back to sleep now, I promise. Goodnight.

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spunknini
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posted January 09, 2009 01:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Off to bed with you Miss Geo, or it's a spanking from spunky for you now skedaddle!!!!!

Oh alright, here's some fairy dust for you too.....

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leapinglemur14
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posted January 09, 2009 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
i don't know anything about horary other than from what i've read on this site.
but the grand square scared me.
i've been in similar situation (being around someone that made you suicidal at one point)...honestly just walk away..trust me it better for you mind.

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good girl
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posted January 09, 2009 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I think because you considered killing yourself over him, and in the chart his ruler/mars is conj pluto=No way!

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Wow. Thank you all. Very much. It's reading pretty loud and clear that this would be very dangerous, so i guess i have my answer!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 09, 2009 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Heh. Meta, you did your horary only like a couple of hours after I did mine LOL.

I am still learning and really new at it. I know you are Venus in this case (you are Libra rising here), and Venus looks like she's a bit sentimental to me.
Also yeah, Geo said the moon getting a square from Saturn isn't good. I was reading that the first aspect made to the moon is extremely important in horary, and that square to Saturn is the first, so it's not too great. However, the last aspect does trine your ascendant, so if you do go, you would be able to pull it off. However, I'm just sensing you might not do it all.

Also, does Saturn being retro count in horary at all? Does anyone know?

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

I thought about it a lot after i asked the question and posted this... and i would really like to go. I really do want to see him. And i think i would be able to pull it off without falling into despair afterwards... but it's very uncertain. There's still this sting of fear in me that i could walk out of the building after i see him and be thrown head first into a depression i JUST recovered from. I'm not saying i will come out like that... but there's still the risk.. and i don't know if i'm willing to risk that, you know?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 09, 2009 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Meta, I know exactly what you're talking about. I was in a somewhat similar situation last week and posted a horary about it too LOL
I never got to see him because the plans fell thru (as the horary predicted). It was for the best, I think.

So just from looking and intuitively speaking, I would say you'll be fine either way because it looks like you're somehow adaptable in this situation.

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Lara
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posted January 09, 2009 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Be careful Meta and hold your heart in both hands

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lara. That means a lot coming from you

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

So you were going to go? But the universe kinda pulled the rug out from under you? Were you ready, do you think, to see him?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 09, 2009 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, we wanted to see each other, but then he canceled at the last minute, then wanted to see me the day he left town and I decided against it at the last minute. I started freaking out...and we didn't date for long, but it had been intense and was a looong time ago. Still, all these feelings came back and I felt like my brain was trying to eat itself LOL.
So in way I am glad I decided against it, I don't think I am ready. And he hasn't called me since, so I don't think he's ready either. Or serious enough. I just don't really trust him.
All this anger came flooding out of me too. Like I just went, What the hell, he's been in town for X-amount of time and planned to see me and then suddenly he's got something else to do? Didn't feel right, you know?

But it sounds like you're going to do the right thing either way, and at least you don't have a void-of-course moon to screw you over LOL

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
LOL!

Well, from the feelings you described it sounds like what you wanted wasn't necessarily BEST for you. So yeah, i'm glad the plans fell through- for your sake

Isn't life a biatch in that way? We always want the things that we shouldn't have, but always end up getting the things we need instead- in one way or another. I'd like to know why they can't be the same thing, why the things we want can't BE the things we need??? lol

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Lara
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posted January 09, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I'm just concerned for you, especially remembering the "determining feelings thread".

Has he contacted you at all since? x

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 09, 2009 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno, I've noticed I do get what I want and then realize sheepishly that I don't need the crap that goes along with it

But yeah, I know what you mean
Bitter medicine sucks, but then you get better and can't complain too much about anything but the taste

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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah... umm, well i directed a play a from September- November and he was nearby... that was really why i took the job, in all honesty.

So since i was insanely busy i didn't really have extra time. It was just a comfort knowing he was around. He actually persued me for a while. Not in a sexual way, but wanted to spend time together. And we did, but not that much. Said he missed me. Said he changed because of me. Said all those things that turn your insides into baby food. Didn't confess anything though. I didn't receive a romantic soliloquey...

So yeah, it's been about 2 months since i've seen him. And in those two months i made up my mind to not do this to myself anymore. And yet, here i am, debating whether i am strong enough to see him and be able to not love him.

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Got Gemini?
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posted January 09, 2009 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Venus is not in aspect with Saturn so you become the Moon which is exactly square Saturn. Also, the Moon is Via Combusta meaning it is between 10* Libra and 10* Scorpio. This is an area of the sky which contains a few malefic stars except for 23-24* Libra which contains the beneficial star Spika. This indicates no. Try casting the same chart with Regiomontaus house system.

PS: My music library consolidation is almost done, I'll send you a few playlists this weekend my fellow music lover!

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Got Gem,

Same chart with Regio:

What will the difference be with this house system?

(Oh, and can't wait for the playlist my friend)

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evander
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posted January 09, 2009 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
you know meta, astrology aside, just ask yourself do you want to go, if you want nothing anyone says is gonna change your mind. just a piece of my mind

that aside, the actual horary chart has a pretty challenging configuration so , just be careful, if you do decide to go

best of luck
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meta_4
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posted January 09, 2009 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you evander.

I do want to go. But, like i said, i did this chart because i wasn't sure whether what i wanted was best. Judging the chart, it's not best. And if i go, there may be some awful reprocussions... but, i think i'm willing to deal with the consequences. Very unwise on my part, i know, but if i go and i can keep myself contained than i know i'm ready to move on. At the same time, if i go and i cannot keep myself contained, than i will know that this will just be something that i'll have to cope with for the rest of my life. That i will have to learn to work around it, you know?

BLHAHHHH!!! Nevermind. I ask for help and when i don't get the answer i want, when i'm told i'm not ready i do the WRONG thing by deciding to ignore what's staring me in the face. Stupidity i tell you, plain stupidity.

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Got Gemini?
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posted January 09, 2009 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
House rulers are still the same so there is no difference. There probably would have been a difference if you casted the chart for a location waaaaaaaaaay north or waaaaaaaaay south with placidus house system and then switched to Regio.

But like others are saying, think about the grief you went through with this guy. I'm not trying to influence your decision but I'd not go if I were you.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted January 09, 2009 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
For Spunknini,

Thank you for not spanking me and that fairy dust helped me to go right to sleep. But I'll try to be good the next time. Oh wait! There is no next time. Today was the last day on my job, I was laid off so now I can stay up as laaaaaaaaate as I want.

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