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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 05:05 AM
 
I'm trying to read this lame horary and I'm not getting anywhere! It's making me crazy!
The question is if a significant relationship will develop with this person (friendship/romance/anything).
Any observations would be much appreciated.  IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 05:08 AM
So what, I am Mars and the other is Venus, right? Both are exalted. But Venus doesn't really look like it's doing anything. So I'm just confused.
Isn't the 4th house the 'end of all matters'? What does it mean with Venus in there?
Do I read for Pluto at all?
Moon is dignified in Cancer, but in a bad house for the question. Hmm.
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 08:19 AM
um. anyone? IP: Logged |
Adriana
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posted January 11, 2009 12:03 PM
It looks like Venus is making a sextile with Mars. Venus is the faster moving planet, so this could be a good thing. And there are no bad aspects from other planets.. But I don't know about the Scorp asc though.. This could mean that there is some uncertainty here..
The Moon could also be a cosignifiactor you, so look at the Moon as well (in Cancer= Nice  )
I don't think think this is a bad horary.......  IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted January 11, 2009 12:08 PM
The 7th house might not necessarily be the significator of the person. If they are currently your friend, I'd look to the 11th (unless you used their name in the question).But Venus is making an applying sextile to Mars so the answer would be yes. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 12:15 PM
Thanks, guys!!! 
Yeah, I'm wondering about the rising myself. What do you mean by 'uncertain', Adriana? Please explain?
Something funny is that I drew up this chart and it is in exactly the same Sun, Moon, and rising as his chart O_O
I thought that was pretty interesting, incidentally.But yeah, I cast the chart with more interest being focused on romance in my mind, and it's how I asked the question. But I also wanted to see if there would be friendship too. With horary I hear it's not really possible to ask more than one question tho. I was wondering though if anyone knew what it meant with Venus being there in the 4th. IP: Logged |
Adriana
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posted January 11, 2009 01:09 PM
The horary relates directly to the question you asked, so if it was something like "will a significant relationship develop with this person?" then this is what the horary chart will answer, nothing else. But a significant relationship will always have something to do with the 7th house even if it is just friendship (I'm not totally sure about this!! But 11th house (friendship), and 5th house(love affairs) could be important as well). It depends on the question.I'm not totally sure about the ascendant, sorry! In one book I have (a Norwegian book, so maybe I don't translate it correctly) it says that it is "uncertain to give a statement". What this really means for your horary I don't know. But the priamry signicator for you is Mars (ruler of asc), with the Moon as cosignificator. Pluto can't be used as I understand it.. For the question use Venus (7th house), and maybe Mercury (11th house), and Jupiter (5th house). Also look at other planets in angular houses.. Mars,Venus and Mercury is exalted.. Mercury is also standing in its own house.. The house of the Moon says something about your true intentions. Standing in the 8th house, I don't think friendship is all that is running through your mind about this person  Venus in the 4th house could mean that a romantic relationship is likely to result..
But please do not shoot me if I'm wrong!! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 01:25 PM
Adriana, thank you so much!
Don't worry, I won't shoot you if you're wrong  ... and no worries on the Pluto.
I suppose it's considered positive if planets are exalted in horary? And oh yes, you're right about it not only being friendship on my mind We'll see in time, I suppose... thank you again
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Adriana
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posted January 11, 2009 01:39 PM
Yes, exalted planets are GOOOD I really hope that your wish comes true, so good luck And please keep us updated!
If not blame it on the ascendant!! IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 05:50 PM
It may not be able to answer other questions, but it does give background information, tells attitudes and such of the people involved, even a bit of history and outcome. While I may not be able to get all that out of it, I've seen it over and over by the horary astrologer at astro.weekly.You're mars and moon. (ancient rulers are used therefore mars) He is venus and sun.First there is no aspect between the two significator, which I think is right up there in importance. There is a conj between the sun and mars, so that is good but in capricorn may bring delay.
Venus(him) is in trine to moon(you) so that is productive esp. since moon is in caner and stengthened and it is in the 8th. (8th is 2nd from 7th showing the future of the relationship. The 10th is 4th from 7th would show end)
Also the 8th's ruler is mercury conj jupiter, the planet of expansion= another yes to your ques.Because it is in aquarius perhaps this relationship evolves into a friendship.
The last aspect to the moon also points to outcome of your ques.(the planet with the latest degree is nep, but it wouldn't be a major aspect so we look at the next latest degree, saturn.
Moon's last aspect is sextile saturn indicating permanance. So I think so relationship does happen, probably a lasting friendship.
I always show how I get to my answer so anyone can double check it.
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good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 05:54 PM
I just saw your question about the 4th being end of matter. Yes, but it is the 4th from the 7th, since the subject is a relationship.2nd is the future, so we look at the 2nd from the 7th. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 06:04 PM
Is the chart regio? mars doesn't aspect venus but is applying sextile. Hard to tell end of matters, depending on chart type Also moon is about to oppose mars. ? EDIT: moon has to make so many aspects before joining mars/venus... anyone know what this means? delay? IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
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posted January 11, 2009 06:17 PM
This is what confuses me. I thought romance was 5th house territory and 7ty house was marriage legal partnership territory; at least in traditional horary. So I am thinking that he is Jupiter/co-sig-Sun and she is Mars/co-sig-Moon. Moon is making bad aspects to both sun and mars signifying a no answer. But, this is based on him being Jupiter/5th house. I will check and see. I could be wrong but I really do think the romance is a 5th house issue. Doesn't look good for friendship either. Post the declinations so we can see if there are parallels. ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 06:22 PM
you are right Got Gemini he is jupiter and she is mars, l think!!!!. and in a black and white YES/NO question you just look at significators. aspect=yes, no aspect=no. IP: Logged |
missneptune
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posted January 11, 2009 07:09 PM
MyVirgoMask, would you be interested in helping me interpret a first meeting chart for me? I'm still not that skilled at horary astrology, but I noticed Venus sextile Pluto, sounds intriguing to me! http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_2gw_34_mw_hk.291.2230.gif&res=100&va=&cid=vaqfileQKD0d6-u1135752956 Another thing I noticed is that whenever I meet someone I like, there seems to be Gemini ascendant or Libra ascendant... ------------------
Sun - Leo
Moon - Pisces
Ascendant - Sagittarius IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 07:17 PM
I don't think you should start by pulling the 5th(romance) and friendship(11th) in because the question was stated as a significant relationship ques.
For that we look at relationship house/7th and follow the direction it takes us in. Which because of venus in aquarius, direction is friendship.And again with the dispostitor of mars and sun (ruling her and him) is saturn, which takes us to the 11th. IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 07:25 PM
GotGemini:The opposition from moon to mars and sun are important, but it is not the final result in the relationship, it is actually more discriptive of the beginning because mars is the first aspect the moon makes. But the final aspect the moon makes is sextile saturn and postitive. The opposition is more about how the relationship developes, starting with mars then later the sun. This relates to their communication. There is gonna be some problem but it will be overcome.
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good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 07:28 PM
As far as the opposition being read as sun(represents the male in the ques) and the moon (female, and also the person asking the ques) the opposition is favorable because it at least establishes a relationship. (Besides the opposition is natural to houses 1-7, showing a connection/relationship)IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 07:30 PM
yeah but Good Girl, the opposition is to MARS not the sun... and the moons last aspect is to SATURN which shows restriction, delay in a sextile and the opposition is to houses 3/9 no?IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted January 11, 2009 09:27 PM
Well yes, it is to mars, but we consider every aspect the moon will be making before it leaves its sign, so it will oppose the sun. And the aspect to saturn is favorable.
The question is will an important relationship develope. If we read saturn as a long lasting relationship/permanance, then it pertains to the question.
She didn't ask how long would it take. Or would it be easy.To those things we would read saturn as "delays".IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 09:31 PM
l thought you only consider the last aspect it makes?
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 10:59 PM
LOL. You guys are driving me crazy
I guess only time will tell.
Thanks all the same for the help though missneptune, I can take a look, sure...I'll get some work done and brb. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 11:03 PM
simple answer: probably no to a romance. probably yes to a friendship.Another good idea MVM is to look on astro.com for horary charts done the same day as yours and read their analysis IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 11:09 PM
Awww, no romance for me ?Actually, Lara, that's a great idea about astro.com! Is it a forum on there that does the horaries? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 11, 2009 11:29 PM
This is interesting - I found one question on there at almost the same time, and also a romantic situation, but it's about 45 minutes before mine - a couple of house changes. Just in case anyone is interested in the discussion: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1231569862 It's kind of funny how everyone is torn about reading the chart, and there's confusion. Man, horary is NOT easy to learn!!!
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