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GemGemGem
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posted January 12, 2009 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
I've been living with my parents the past year, and I think I am going to go out of my mind! I love them, but it's getting to the point where it is getting impossible to live day by day without getting into a fight with at least one of them.

After my divorce, I moved in with them because my daughter was only 1 yrs old at the time, and I didn't feel confident enough to raise her on my own. They have been such a help to me this past year, but now everything they do just seems to be wrong. They spoil her, and give her whatever she wants, and don't respect the bedtime schedules and rules I set for her. Last night she went to bed at 1 am! Whenever I say no to her, she goes running to grandma and grandpa. They treat me like I'm a crazy Nazi mom, when all I'm trying to do is set some rules. Our parenting styles are completely different, so we keep running into conflict on a daily basis.

I've been thinking a lot about moving back into New York City, closer to where I work, and trying to be a single mom on my own without their help. I'm really scared because I don't know if I can do it. What if I mess up, or I make a huge mistake? What if I fail at being a mom? Part of me feels selfish for thinking about taking her away from her grandparents and the only family she knows to prove my own independence, but at the same time something in me really needs to know if I can do this on my own. I want to live by my rules, not theirs. I don't feel like I'm living "my" life, and as long as I'm living with my parents, I'm preventing myself from really growing up. I have never lived on my own before, and I am at such a major crossroads right now, I don't know what to do.

I have hard Uranus and Saturn transits to my moon right now, which may be why there is so much conflict and instability in the home. I've moved 3 times in the past year alone, so I'm hesitant to move again so soon, but living there is getting intolerable.

Would anyone be able to tell by looking at my transits if it is a bad time to move again right now? I would be breaking my current lease, and lose my deposit, and a lot of money to move, so I wanted to see if I'll just end up wasting a bunch of money, and have everything just turn out awful and end up moving again.

Would anyone be able to give some advice on whether you think I should take this huge step and move out on my own with my daughter?

I'm taking a vote too.
Thumbs up for "Yes move"
Thumbs down for "No move"

Thanks so much Knowflakes!



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Peri
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posted January 12, 2009 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
i think you should first seriously talk to them about the situation and explain them that they make you think about moving out ... or maybe even talk it over with a counsellor

http://www.helium.com/items/849391-how-to-avoid-spoiling-and-indulging-your-grandchil dren

P.S. heh your moon is exactly opposite my moon! poor thing...these squares from Uranus/Saturn are killing me too

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 11:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I am very confused, do you live with your parents or are you leasing an apartment? You made reference to both. If you live with your parents what lease are you talking about? Grand parenting is such a joy, maybe your parents don't mean to undermine you, they just love your child so much it is hard to say no. Parenting is a huge responsibility, and if you live with your parents, you must remember, it is thier house, that they pay for.

Where is the childs father? His parents?

Do you have any support system in NYC?

Friends and family around can be a big help with kids. Like, your child gets pink eye, or the flu, daycare won't take the child, you have no option but to miss work for however many days it takes. If your child attends daycare there are many germs and stuff that are really rampant, and sick child care is something you need to consider.

Are you challenging them or are they challenging you? I am sure it isn't that fun for your parents either to argue every day. You should be independant and take care of your child, absolutely, it is your responsibility to do so, but you should also consider the fact that family and friends can really be an asset and if they open thier home to you now, it shows that they are there for you.

I do think when you become a parent, you need to be the provider and responsible party for the welfare of that child. It sounds like maybe right now your parents are the providers for you and your child.

Is your motive to move away to hurt your parents? assert your independence? consider carefully your reasons for wanting to move away and if you are indeed up to the big job all alone. It is not an easy road without a support system in place.

Is taking an apartment away but not too far away a possibility? I just think you should consider life without a support system and make sure you are prepared as you can be for every possible scenario.

I just realized you are almost 30 years old. You should definately have your own home, whether it be close to your parents or not.

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GemGemGem
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posted January 12, 2009 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the article Peri, I wish my parents knew how to read English, so I can show them that article. Uranus and Saturn are kicking my A$$, I'm sorry to hear you're going through it too. I've never felt such a strong urge to just hop on a plane, and runaway to Tibet or something, just to get away from home.

Sunshine _lion, sorry for the confusion. To clarify, I am currently renting a house, that my parents live in with me and my daughter. You are right about needing a support system with a child. That is what I am so fearful of...that I will have no one in the city, except maybe a nanny that I will have to hire. But it's getting tot he point where my parents are not supportive of me anymore. They keep telling me how crazy I am and to see a psychiatrist because I think it is vital to wash one's hand when they come home, or keep a sanitary home. They think I'm a nazi for saying no to ice cream for breakfast. My mother undermines me ALL the time.

This is my huge dilemna, to stay living with them for my daughter's sake, and be miserable, or move out and see if I can do this on my own, and work to create a new support system for myself in the city. I know it will not be easy, but my life right now is not easy either.

And my parents will technically only be 30 minutes away by car in Jersey.

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 12, 2009 11:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message
My suggestion is to leave. Your child doesn't need to go through with that. Fighting everyday: this is what she sees. Keep it up and she'll remember that for the rest of her life.

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message
then I say get out there and do it. You need to. Better to try and fail, than never try at all. They will still be close.

Will your parents be homeless then?

ps. ice cream for breakfast never killed anyone!

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted January 12, 2009 11:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message
There's really no such thing as living with them for your daughter's sake, that is really just an excuse to prolong not leaving them. In fact, there's no staying for your daughters sake anyway, your parents are showing your daughter how to act like a total freak and how to undermine people, she'll likely grow up to have some of those traits if you stick around. To her, ice cream for breakfast and telling you to see a psych just like your parents do will become second nature to her.

Plenty of people before you, and right now are doing the same thing you are. Many survive. I bet you can too. Plus, it's better to be homeless than to live with the freaks your parents are and the damage they will inevitably do to your daughter's peace of mind.

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Lucia23
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posted January 12, 2009 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Thumbs up for moving to NYC and away from your parents!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 12, 2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
GemGem, I am so sorry it's hard for you right now.
I do feel it's important to have support from parents, but if there are so many challenges, then it might become counterproductive, and hurtful, and it obviously looks that way to you.
I mean, I understand your dilemma. I don't have kids tho, so my understanding is obviously highly limited. But I'll say my part and be done with it and in the end it's your choice no matter what:

I think it's important for your child to see your independence. If that means moving, then move. 30 minutes away or 3000 miles away. First and foremost, you are the main authority figure in your child's life, and I can't underestimate that it would be difficult to be in a situation where your authority is undermined, even if it is by your own parents, your child's grandparents.
Hey, it's never perfect. I mean, a living situation with having someone to care for your child is wonderful - but the price you pay emotionally is high if the situation is so unsavory. And obviously everyone becomes affected.
And you had Pluto going through your 4th, which is the ruler of it, so no doubt this has been an ongoing matter. And now that it's out of there, it seems you are feeling like you're ready to DO something.
So I think hell with it, take a chance. Kids are resilient. You're a mom, and you're a human being. I don't think these two things are in conflict here regardless. Whatever changes are happening in your life and are igniting you are obviously for a reason. You don't want to be in a situation where you feel life has made a choice FOR you, you know?

Trying to make things right with your parents may very well mean moving away from them so that you can have autonomy and they have no choice but to give you respect. I understand that family is important, but so is individuality and growth. You shouldn't have to choose, but maybe you do for the moment, to follow your heart. Because it's obviously telling you something here.
And I just think that if you've tried something for so long and it hasn't worked, then maybe it's time to try something different, you know? Novel idea LOL.
But seriously, maybe it would be harder for you to move, but maybe it will not be. You never know. The Universe has its way of opening doors. And sometimes it opens them by making sure we are very uncomfortable with the place we are in, so we can take a chance and follow its lead.

Anyway, just my humble opinion/observation.

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 12:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message
i don't believe she called her parents freaks, nor do I believe that they will make her daughter a freak by giving her ice cream for breakfast.


virgo taurus taurus - her parents are freaks and she is better off homeless?

WOW.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted January 12, 2009 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message
LOL, a typical Leo trying to start crap over things NO ONE said in the entire thread the way you just did, sunshine.

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message
actaually these were your words...no?

your parents are showing your daughter how to act like a total freak and how to undermine people,

Plus, it's better to be homeless than to live with the freaks your parents are

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annaf
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posted January 12, 2009 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message
GemGemGem,

I guess it's very difficult to give you advice in your situation because only you know how the situation really is. Is it mainly a clash of personalities that cant be changed no matter what or is it just the increasing stress of living with ones parents as a grown-up (which is quite unbearable to most grown ups because parents will always act like parents no matter how old you are. Been there done that). So my point is, only you can really judge the situation you are in. It might seem unbearable now to live with your parents, but how realistic is it to move to New York incl. the increased rent, increased expenses for child care etc? These are all questions only you can really judge. It might be that you move out of your parents, just to be faced with a completely different set of pressures which might also leave you trapped just in a different way. Your child would hardly see you and you would prob. also have less time to just go out with friends one evening. Someone mentioned seeing some neutral entity where you live, a counselor. Not because you need it, but it would give you some breathing space and s.o. who is removed from the situation and who you could work your situation through and therefore come to the best solution for you. Be that moving out or staying.

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GemGemGem
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posted January 13, 2009 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone for the great advice. I definitely have a lot to think about.

MVM, your point about my child needing to see my independence really rings true. I want her to be an independent, strong, accomplished person, and you are right that the best way to teach that is by example.

Annaf, you must have some elements of earth in you, because your advise is very practical, stable, and sound! The voice of reason in the practical terms such as higher cost of living in NYC, less time for friends, etc. I do need to think of all the cost implications, and see I can afford it. Thanks for pointing out that aspect of it.

I'm going to really think things through, and discuss everything with my parents!

Thanks so much everyone!


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annaf
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posted January 13, 2009 01:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"Annaf, you must have some elements of earth in you, because your advise is very practical, stable, and sound"

LOL, some elements of earth?? I'm almost ALL earth... I know I coulent hide it if I tried.

Good luck, hope things work out for you!

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GemGemGem
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posted January 13, 2009 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
LOL...I knew it! Your response was so practical, and realistic, and 'Get your head out of the clouds' like! Something my dad would say, he's a Taurus!

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annaf
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posted January 13, 2009 02:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I'm Sun, merc, venus in capricorn (all in the 7th so at least I have a bit of air energy in my chart, virgo moon....I guess really the source of my practical voice.

My dad is also taurus and despite all my practicality, I could NEVER live with him. Seriously, I think in the long run it's not really healthy for your independence and sanity to stay with your parents. So i think I think all I'm saying is make it a well planned, thought through retreat. Which leaves you better off in the long run and doesnt open up a whole new can of worms.

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afflictedvenus
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posted January 13, 2009 03:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message

I think you should move on, you've had your saturn return and now it's time to parent yourself, ice cream is not good for breakfast and letting her go to bed at 1am is way out of order (looked for a finger wagging fairy smilie but there isn't one lol )

I'm sure they love her heaps but it'll be you that has to deal with it I can understand that it's hard to get them to listen though because it's their house and they're your parents,but... she's your daughter not theirs,it's really not that difficult to cope once you start getting on with it on your own,you'll probably find some things much easier and they will still be fairly close
hope things get easier for you whatever you decide

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leapinglemur14
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posted January 13, 2009 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
I live in NYC. I can babysit if you want!

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posted January 14, 2009 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto's transiting your 5th (house of children). Forgive me, I don't mean to sound like I'm judging your parenting style as I'm not a parent myself, but it's just something I remember - Pluto's in my 5th too and I remember reading "go easy on your kids" if Pluto's in your 5th. I will try to find the link.

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wheelsofcheese
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posted January 14, 2009 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
Here it is:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transitspluto18.1.htm

Perhaps you're seeing parenting in a more serious light due to this transit, than they are? Although I do have sympathy as my sister and her 6 year old live with my parents and she has similar issues, but the benfits outweigh the disbenefits. Grandparents always go easier on children than parents do.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 14, 2009 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Grandparents are often redeemed through their grandchildren, that's partially why they get all happy and whip out the ice cream for breakfast

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bunnies
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posted January 14, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Sit them down calmly and say what you said at the beginning of your post....I love you but....
1. This is my house. As I was expected to adhere to a code of conduct when I was living with you, I expect you to extend me the same courtesy.

2. My rules regarding my daughter are this (list them)
I do not care if you don't agree with them, just respect them.

3. Do not call me any derogatory names in front of my child. I would never dream of calling her grandparents names such as "interfering old bag" or "geriatric push over". Never call me a Nazi again.

4. If you find it impossible to work with me on this, then initially I would like you to move out whilst I re establish a code of conduct with my daughter and then when we have done that, I shall be looking to move to New York. Sadly this means you won't get to see her as much but Mother (pause) Father (pause) this situation is untenable and I will not permit it to continue.
So it is entirely up to you (makes them responsible see?)

You ARE the parent. Not them. They still see you as the little girl. You have to remind them things have changed.
Calm assertive energy.
If they fight back say calmly
"Thank you for clarifying my position. I now know exactly what I need to do"

Go to your rooms!!!!

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GemGemGem
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posted January 14, 2009 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
LL14, that's so sweet of you!

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leapinglemur14
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posted January 14, 2009 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
np. this city can be tough at times and a big move like that doesn't make it any easier.
OOOO
I can take her to my old job at Barnes and Noble and read to her!!!

as of now I'm available friday nights *wink wink*

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