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Topic: Synastry = Meh. Composite = Meow! ????
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Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 06:00 PM
I think there has already been a topic about this, although I don't recall reading it at the time. I just started a relationship with someone who I really, really like. Alot. The synastry does not seem to bear out the feelings or relationship at all but the composite seems far more accurate. In fact the composite seems really quite nice! I've never had this experience before so.... what do I make of this? We have no Sun to Moon contacts or Sun/Moon to Ascendant contacts but we do have Moon trine Moon, but with a 6 degree orb. We also have nice aspects such as Moon/Jupiter, Venus/Mars and Venus/Pluto but most of them (except the Moon/Jupiter trine, which is exact) are bigger orbs. If I use IQ's system, I get the following from synastry (2 degree orb or less): My Mars trine his Ascendant His Sun trine my Mars My Saturn trine his Venus His Venus sextile my Ascendant His Moon trine my Amor My Mars trine his Amor His Valentine trine my Sun and Venus My Valentine oppose his Moon Karma conjunct Pluto Double Whammy Karma conjunct Karma His South Node conjunct my Moon My NN trine his Mars NN conjunct NN In addition, my Saturn conjuncts his Vertex, which can be added on as a karmic feature. I saw IQ's newest rule which is looking at the asteroids we have closest to Sun and Ascendant. I checked out just a few: My Union trine his Sun and conjunct his Ascendant His Union opposite my Sun His Juno sextile my Sun His name asteroid trine my Ascendant His Valentine square my Ascendant His Juno square my Ascendant (I guess those last two don't seem so nice) So what do I make of this? It really shouldn't cause me any stress, but it is...just a tiny bit. IP: Logged |
FistOfLegend unregistered
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posted January 16, 2009 06:05 PM
What's wrong with your synastry? Moon is conjunct the South Node. There should be a lot of comfort in this relationship. IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 06:09 PM
Fist ~You're absolutely right. There's soooo much comfort. But in my lifetime I have had Moon conjunct South Node with a few guys and the relationship always ends at exactly the 6 month mark, whether it's me doing it or my partner. I think I really would just love a nice, steady relationship. One that lasts. I'm so tired of the karmic relationships. I'll take the karma, but a little longevity would be wonderful. IP: Logged |
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posted January 16, 2009 06:19 PM
Well, Saturn is trine Venus. It's a 'nice' karmic aspect. There's respect, steadiness, and patience in love without the harshness of the hard aspects. This may very well last if you want it to.
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Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 06:34 PM
I really do want it to. On our very first date, I got an overwhelming feeling of wanting to be with this guy long term.It's weird. And you're right, Saturn trine Venus is a really nice aspect. Of course my Saturn also makes quite a few squares to his planets, most noticeably Sun, Mercury and Jupiter. The Sun/Saturn square is a really wide orb (9 degrees) and I know that squares can be just as binding as other aspects in synastry. What do you think about the fact that the composite is so nice? How does that really affect the energies of the synastry in your opinion? IP: Logged |
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posted January 16, 2009 07:11 PM
Although I respect IQ's system, I don't particularly agree with it. I've felt orbs of 5 degrees or more in synastry, Venus square Saturn being one of them. Synastry is most important. It tells of how you feel about each other. It's the link to every planet. It's your link to each other. Composite charts are more about the themes in your relationship, not exactly one-on-one. I'll give you an example. Someone came to me asking about a relationship with her boyfriend. Although she felt obligated and committed to be with him, she didn't feel like she was going somewhere. Frankly, she felt lost. When I looked at their synastry together, I saw what I expected to see. Plain old Saturn. Saturn, Saturn everywhere. There were plenty of conjunctions between her Saturn and his personal planets. That perfectly described 'why' she felt so obligated to him and maybe a little stuck. When I looked at their composite, though, the Moon was making hard aspects, including an opposition to Neptune. She felt confused, lost, and pretty unproductive after a while. So basically, although she felt obligated to him (due to all that Saturn in synastry), the relationship was bringing her down.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 07:15 PM
Make sure to look at your Mercury in particular when it comes to composite. That's pretty important.I've had a lot of charts with others that 'looked' stable (i.e. Saturn contact, etc), but weren't. It's just an indicator of potential, but what we do with it is a completely different story. It really depends on whether the other is emotionally ready or not. Things play out over time. No way to predict absolutely. But looking at his transits wouldn't hurt either. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 07:53 PM
Would venus conjunct saturn in composite be binding?IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 07:58 PM
Good points all! I know I should probably just let it go, enjoy the relationship and stop concerning myself with the idea of longevity. I'm just so freakishly sick of getting really close to someone and then it's over. Boo!
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 08:02 PM
I hear you, Love. I feel the same way Still, just better to enjoy it and see what happens Lara...yeah, I'm pretty sure it's binding.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 08:16 PM
me too Love and MVM grrrI like venus/mercury conjunct in composite too. Thanks MVM, yeah l just hope it's not restricting! IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 08:34 PM
Lara ~ I had Venus conjunct Saturn once in a relationship and it lasted 7 years. It's pretty binding.MVM ~ There's no way I can un-enjoy it at this point! I think it's funny though, that except for a few aspects such as Moon conjunct SN, Saturn conjunct Vertex and Saturn trine Venus, the synastry chart is so different than what I'm used to. We have Mars/Venus hard aspects going both ways. I've never shared a Mars/Venus aspect with anyone in a serious relationship before. Also, Neptune trine Venus. Totally new for me. And there's a lot of Mars action going on between us too. I'm far more used to Pluto, although I suppose there are similarities. IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2009 08:37 PM
Oh yes - and as far as our Mercury goes in the comp, it's conjunct Sun, Venus and (widely) Jupiter as well as sextile Moon. It also sequisquares (or whatever) Pluto.So far, I'm in communication heaven...waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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posted January 17, 2009 03:56 AM
<<My Union trine his Sun and conjunct his Ascendant His Union opposite my Sun His Juno sextile my Sun His name asteroid trine my Ascendant His Valentine square my Ascendant His Juno square my Ascendant (I guess those last two don't seem so nice)>>Valentine sq Ascendant is not bad, it will trigger more love bwteen you. The danger is if Valentine is Retrograde. Juno sq Ascendant is very much challenging but it canot minimize the love, it can only delay a marriage for superficial reasons. Juno sq Karma or Juno sq Jupiter is far more dangerous, especially with retorgrades. Name Asteroid trine Ascendant is a divine blessing. Inspired by many knowflakesm I am trying to come up with a much better system where we check the mythological pairings and give them a higher points weightage: Osiris and Isis Jupiter and Juno Zeus and Hera Eros or Cupid and Psyche Pluto and Proserpine or Persephone Siva and Parvati or Kaali and of course Mars and Venus. Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto. Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me. For me and my wife: [2 degree Orbs for square/sextile, 4 degrees for trine, conj and opp] Pluto sq Persephone Jupiter sq Juno Hera opp Zeus Eros trine Psyche Siva sextile Parvati Also, both of us have ISIS and OSIRIS conjunct exact. Mine squares her true node, and hers conjuncts my Psyche. ------------------ http://www.tamsoft.co.in/articles.html http://www.tamsoft.co.in/readings.html http://www.tamsoft.co.in/samplereading.html IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 04:28 AM
quote: Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me.
IQ, i have to confess... l did "LOL" when l read this IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 05:55 AM
Interesting mythological pairings IQ and especially the ones you have with your wife! Osiris/Isis is a WOW!I have: osiris sq isis (0) venus quincunx mars (4) my name trine his valentine (2) my name in his chart conjunct my valentine (3) my persophone trine his pluto (0) IQ, what is perosophone please? How does it react with Pluto?
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Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 06:02 AM
Well, using a maximum 4 degree orb for conjunctions, trines and oppositions, I can include these:My Osiris conjunct his Isis/my name asteroid in his chart (1 & 0 degree orb) His Karma trine my Osiris/his name asteroid in my chart (0) His NN trine my Isis(4)and sextile my Juno(2) His NN oppose my Amor (4) His Juno sextile my Sun and Venus (1) My Valentine trine his Saturn (4) His Isis trine my Pluto and Karma (0,1) My Isis conjunct his Mars (3) and His Osiris sextile my Venus (2) My Union trine his Amor (1) Also, my Osiris quincunxes his NN and his Isis quincunxes my NN. Hmmmm. Edit : (I include Isis all the time since my name asteroid and Isis are so often conjunct in the charts of my friends, family and boyfriends. I'm not sure if Isis and I travel at the same speed, but we do tend to pop up together quite often in charts.) We don't have any Juno/Karma or Juno/Jupiter squares and Valentine is not retrograde. I'm too tired to look for more aspects at this moment, but IQ thanks for taking a look I love Venus/Pluto aspects, but for the hard ones especially (which we also have in our synastry) I wonder about the obsessiveness that seems to inevitably go along with it. I have the Venus/Pluto square natally, however, so anyone born within a few years of me is going to have their Pluto squaring my Venus. When I get a chance, I'll have a look at the asteroids you listed between you and your wife and see if there are any connections in my synastry chart. Do you think that the lack of Sun-Sun, Sun-Moon, and Sun-Moon-Asc affects a synastry? I ask because I've never been in a relationship where there were no contacts of this kind. Like I mentioned above, there is only a Moon to Moon trine. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted January 17, 2009 11:48 AM
IQ,"The danger is if Valentine is Retrograde." Why is Valentine retograde danggerous? "Juno sq Karma or Juno sq Jupiter is far more dangerous, especially with retorgrades." What does Juno square Karma mean? "Eros or Cupid and Psyche" Why not add Amor - Psycher, too? After all Amor and Cupid both are the equivalents to Greek Eros.
"Siva and Parvati or Kaali" What would be the difference between a Siva-Parvat aspect opposed to a Siva-Kaali one?
"Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto." Do you mean only conjunctions, or other aspects, too?
"Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me." Yes, I agree. I think Venus-Pluto is an important aspect, for sure, but it is not THE soulmate / twinsoul aspect.
"Pluto sq Persephone Jupiter sq Juno " How do you weigh those squares? ARe they still a positive connection? Or is it a bad sign to have them between mythological couples?
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Love Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 12:48 PM
<<<<<Pluto sq Persephone Jupiter sq Juno " How do you weigh those squares? Are they still a positive connection? Or is it a bad sign to have them between mythological couples?>>>>>Good question DD. In fact, although I know we all need some squares in our lives and relationships, I never seem to be clear on which squares can be a fun challenge and which ones...well, not so much. Maybe Juno square Karma means that your level of bonding and commitment is challenged by karmic agreements? And I suppose that the same could be true about Jupiter if you were using it in conjunction somehow with Juno? And also a good question about retro Valentine. I've wondered that before myself. I assume that it means you have karma with that energy this time around, but I never thought of it as dangerous per se, but it did seem like there would be work involved. IP: Logged |
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posted January 17, 2009 01:21 PM
Love,"I know we all need some squares in our lives and relationships, I never seem to be clear on which squares can be a fun challenge and which ones...well, not so much." Yes, same here. I think, maybe squares between Venus and Mars, Venus and Pluto or even Sun and Mars may cause some sort of raw attraction, even though they wouldn´t be very stable or easy. Maybe Eros-Mars and Eros-Pluto would work, too. Or it would be just too much. lol ""Maybe Juno square Karma means that your level of bonding and commitment is challenged by karmic agreements?" Yes, I could imagine that.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 01:42 PM
Agree about Pluto/venus not being twinsoul mate aspect.My mother and her husband have been married now for 33 years, haven't spent a night apart, have practically eaten every meal together and are together 24/7. They are like Paul and Linda and i'm pretty sure that they are twin souls. They are so in love it's amazing! If you looked at their synastry you would laugh. No venus/pluto, lots and lots of squares and oppositions! IP: Logged |
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posted January 17, 2009 02:32 PM
Lara,I couldn`t say if my parents are twinsouls or not, but I do think they must be soulmates at least. They have also been married for 35 years this year. And they also do not share a Venus-Pluto-aspect. They have some other interesting aspects though: Sun conjunct Siva Moon trine Psyche Moon opposes Sun Mars trine Valentine Mars conjuncts Saturn Saturn conjuncts Venus Saturn conjuncts Mars NN conjunct Jupiter SN conjunct Saturn ASC conjunct Venus IC conjunct Juno Karma trine Venus Karma trine Mars Amor trine Pluto Psyche trine ASC Psyche trine Karma Psyche conjunct NN Kaali conjunct Isis Siva trine Kaali (4°) Isis trine Isis Osiris exactly trine Moon Osiris exactly opposite Isis Union trine ASC Union conjunct Karma Union trine NN Union conjunct Kaali Moon trine Union
But NO Venus-Pluto-aspect. And also a lot of squares. For example my Dad`s Sun squares my Mum`s Sun-Karma-conjunction.
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 02:37 PM
I never understood the lure of Pluto/Venus conjunct either. I mean, I share it with everyone who's much younger than I am....it just feels highly generational. I can't see relying on a generational aspect alone for soulmate compatibility.
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posted January 17, 2009 02:38 PM
IQ,"Osiris and Isis Jupiter and Juno Zeus and Hera Eros or Cupid and Psyche Pluto and Proserpine or Persephone Siva and Parvati or Kaali and of course Mars and Venus. Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto." So we would look mainly for the aspects between the mythological couples as mentioned above and additionally to these: Karma - ASC Karma - Moon Kiarma - Saturn Karma - Pluto Amor - ASC Amor - Moon Amor - Saturn Amor - Pluto Union - ASC Union-Moon Union-SAturn Union-Pluto VAlentine - ASC Valentine-moon Valentine-Saturn Valentine-Pluto Would we also look for: Karma-Amor Karma-Union Karma-Valentine Amore-Union Amor-VAlentine Union-Valentine and ASC-Moon ASC-SAturn ASC-Pluto Moon-Saturn Moon- Pluto (Saturn-Pluto)? What aspects to the NN`s? They are also very valid, or am I wrong here? IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2009 02:54 PM
my mum has none of these aspects with her husband sun/sun sun/moon mercury/mercuryThey do have: mars sq saturn sun opp venus sun opp jupiter venus sextile saturn sun opp saturn sun opp pluto sun sq neptune valentine sq NN/vertex/juno valentine opp NN karma sextile juno siva trine kaali valentine conj eros val trine val AC's unknown. IP: Logged |