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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
I think there has already been a topic about this, although I don't recall reading it at the time.

I just started a relationship with someone who I really, really like. Alot. The synastry does not seem to bear out the feelings or relationship at all but the composite seems far more accurate. In fact the composite seems really quite nice!

I've never had this experience before so.... what do I make of this? We have no Sun to Moon contacts or Sun/Moon to Ascendant contacts but we do have Moon trine Moon, but with a 6 degree orb.

We also have nice aspects such as Moon/Jupiter, Venus/Mars and Venus/Pluto but most of them (except the Moon/Jupiter trine, which is exact) are bigger orbs.

If I use IQ's system, I get the following from synastry (2 degree orb or less):

My Mars trine his Ascendant
His Sun trine my Mars
My Saturn trine his Venus
His Venus sextile my Ascendant
His Moon trine my Amor
My Mars trine his Amor
His Valentine trine my Sun and Venus
My Valentine oppose his Moon
Karma conjunct Pluto Double Whammy
Karma conjunct Karma
His South Node conjunct my Moon
My NN trine his Mars
NN conjunct NN

In addition, my Saturn conjuncts his Vertex, which can be added on as a karmic feature.

I saw IQ's newest rule which is looking at
the asteroids we have closest to Sun and Ascendant. I checked out just a few:

My Union trine his Sun and conjunct his Ascendant
His Union opposite my Sun
His Juno sextile my Sun
His name asteroid trine my Ascendant
His Valentine square my Ascendant
His Juno square my Ascendant
(I guess those last two don't seem so nice)

So what do I make of this? It really shouldn't cause me any stress, but it is...just a tiny bit.

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 16, 2009 06:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
What's wrong with your synastry? Moon is conjunct the South Node. There should be a lot of comfort in this relationship.

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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Fist ~

You're absolutely right. There's soooo much comfort. But in my lifetime I have had Moon conjunct South Node with a few guys and the relationship always ends at exactly the 6 month mark, whether it's me doing it or my partner.

I think I really would just love a nice, steady relationship. One that lasts. I'm so tired of the karmic relationships. I'll take the karma, but a little longevity would be wonderful.

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 16, 2009 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Well, Saturn is trine Venus. It's a 'nice' karmic aspect. There's respect, steadiness, and patience in love without the harshness of the hard aspects.
This may very well last if you want it to.

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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
I really do want it to. On our very first date, I got an overwhelming feeling of wanting to be with this guy long term.

It's weird.

And you're right, Saturn trine Venus is a really nice aspect. Of course my Saturn also makes quite a few squares to his planets, most noticeably Sun, Mercury and Jupiter. The Sun/Saturn square is a really wide orb (9 degrees) and I know that squares can be just as binding as other aspects in synastry.

What do you think about the fact that the composite is so nice? How does that really affect the energies of the synastry in your opinion?

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 16, 2009 07:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Although I respect IQ's system, I don't particularly agree with it. I've felt orbs of 5 degrees or more in synastry, Venus square Saturn being one of them.
Synastry is most important. It tells of how you feel about each other. It's the link to every planet. It's your link to each other. Composite charts are more about the themes in your relationship, not exactly one-on-one. I'll give you an example.
Someone came to me asking about a relationship with her boyfriend. Although she felt obligated and committed to be with him, she didn't feel like she was going somewhere. Frankly, she felt lost.
When I looked at their synastry together, I saw what I expected to see. Plain old Saturn. Saturn, Saturn everywhere. There were plenty of conjunctions between her Saturn and his personal planets. That perfectly described 'why' she felt so obligated to him and maybe a little stuck.
When I looked at their composite, though, the Moon was making hard aspects, including an opposition to Neptune. She felt confused, lost, and pretty unproductive after a while.
So basically, although she felt obligated to him (due to all that Saturn in synastry), the relationship was bringing her down.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 16, 2009 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Make sure to look at your Mercury in particular when it comes to composite. That's pretty important.

I've had a lot of charts with others that 'looked' stable (i.e. Saturn contact, etc), but weren't. It's just an indicator of potential, but what we do with it is a completely different story. It really depends on whether the other is emotionally ready or not. Things play out over time. No way to predict absolutely.
But looking at his transits wouldn't hurt either.

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Lara
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posted January 16, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Would venus conjunct saturn in composite be binding?

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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Good points all!


I know I should probably just let it go, enjoy the relationship and stop concerning myself with the idea of longevity. I'm just so freakishly sick of getting really close to someone and then it's over. Boo!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 16, 2009 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I hear you, Love. I feel the same way
Still, just better to enjoy it and see what happens


Lara...yeah, I'm pretty sure it's binding.

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Lara
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posted January 16, 2009 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
me too Love and MVM grrr

I like venus/mercury conjunct in composite too.

Thanks MVM, yeah l just hope it's not restricting!

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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Lara ~ I had Venus conjunct Saturn once in a relationship and it lasted 7 years. It's pretty binding.

MVM ~ There's no way I can un-enjoy it at this point!

I think it's funny though, that except for a few aspects such as Moon conjunct SN, Saturn conjunct Vertex and Saturn trine Venus, the synastry chart is so different than what I'm used to.

We have Mars/Venus hard aspects going both ways. I've never shared a Mars/Venus aspect with anyone in a serious relationship before. Also, Neptune trine Venus. Totally new for me. And there's a lot of Mars action going on between us too. I'm far more used to Pluto, although I suppose there are similarities.

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Knowflake

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posted January 16, 2009 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Oh yes - and as far as our Mercury goes in the comp, it's conjunct Sun, Venus and (widely) Jupiter as well as sextile Moon. It also sequisquares (or whatever) Pluto.

So far, I'm in communication heaven...waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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Iqhunk
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posted January 17, 2009 03:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message
<<My Union trine his Sun and conjunct his Ascendant
His Union opposite my Sun
His Juno sextile my Sun
His name asteroid trine my Ascendant
His Valentine square my Ascendant
His Juno square my Ascendant
(I guess those last two don't seem so nice)>>

Valentine sq Ascendant is not bad, it will trigger more love bwteen you. The danger is if Valentine is Retrograde.

Juno sq Ascendant is very much challenging but it canot minimize the love, it can only delay a marriage for superficial reasons. Juno sq Karma or Juno sq Jupiter is far more dangerous, especially with retorgrades.

Name Asteroid trine Ascendant is a divine blessing.

Inspired by many knowflakesm I am trying to come up with a much better system where we check the mythological pairings and give them a higher points weightage:

Osiris and Isis
Jupiter and Juno
Zeus and Hera
Eros or Cupid and Psyche
Pluto and Proserpine or Persephone
Siva and Parvati or Kaali
and of course Mars and Venus.

Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto.

Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me.

For me and my wife:
[2 degree Orbs for square/sextile, 4 degrees for trine, conj and opp]

Pluto sq Persephone
Jupiter sq Juno
Hera opp Zeus
Eros trine Psyche
Siva sextile Parvati

Also, both of us have ISIS and OSIRIS conjunct exact. Mine squares her true node, and hers conjuncts my Psyche.

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Lara
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posted January 17, 2009 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me.

IQ, i have to confess... l did "LOL" when l read this

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Lara
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posted January 17, 2009 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting mythological pairings IQ and especially the ones you have with your wife! Osiris/Isis is a WOW!

I have:
osiris sq isis (0)
venus quincunx mars (4)
my name trine his valentine (2)
my name in his chart conjunct my valentine (3)
my persophone trine his pluto (0)

IQ, what is perosophone please? How does it react with Pluto?


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posted January 17, 2009 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Well, using a maximum 4 degree orb for conjunctions, trines and oppositions, I can include these:

My Osiris conjunct his Isis/my name asteroid in his chart (1 & 0 degree orb)
His Karma trine my Osiris/his name asteroid in my chart (0)
His NN trine my Isis(4)and sextile my Juno(2)
His NN oppose my Amor (4)
His Juno sextile my Sun and Venus (1)
My Valentine trine his Saturn (4)
His Isis trine my Pluto and Karma (0,1)
My Isis conjunct his Mars (3) and His Osiris sextile my Venus (2)
My Union trine his Amor (1)

Also, my Osiris quincunxes his NN and his Isis quincunxes my NN.

Hmmmm.

Edit : (I include Isis all the time since my name asteroid and Isis are so often conjunct in the charts of my friends, family and boyfriends. I'm not sure if Isis and I travel at the same speed, but we do tend to pop up together quite often in charts.)

We don't have any Juno/Karma or Juno/Jupiter squares and Valentine is not retrograde.

I'm too tired to look for more aspects at this moment, but IQ thanks for taking a look I love Venus/Pluto aspects, but for the hard ones especially (which we also have in our synastry) I wonder about the obsessiveness that seems to inevitably go along with it. I have the Venus/Pluto square natally, however, so anyone born within a few years of me is going to have their Pluto squaring my Venus.

When I get a chance, I'll have a look at the asteroids you listed between you and your wife and see if there are any connections in my synastry chart.

Do you think that the lack of Sun-Sun, Sun-Moon, and Sun-Moon-Asc affects a synastry? I ask because I've never been in a relationship where there were no contacts of this kind. Like I mentioned above, there is only a Moon to Moon trine.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 17, 2009 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message
IQ,

"The danger is if Valentine is Retrograde."
Why is Valentine retograde danggerous?

"Juno sq Karma or Juno sq Jupiter is far more dangerous, especially with retorgrades."
What does Juno square Karma mean?


"Eros or Cupid and Psyche"
Why not add Amor - Psycher, too? After all Amor and Cupid both are the equivalents to Greek Eros.


"Siva and Parvati or Kaali"
What would be the difference between a Siva-Parvat aspect opposed to a Siva-Kaali one?


"Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto."
Do you mean only conjunctions, or other aspects, too?


"Venus and Pluto combination in synastry is starting to look overrated to me."
Yes, I agree.
I think Venus-Pluto is an important aspect, for sure, but it is not THE soulmate / twinsoul aspect.


"Pluto sq Persephone
Jupiter sq Juno "
How do you weigh those squares? ARe they still a positive connection?
Or is it a bad sign to have them between mythological couples?

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posted January 17, 2009 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
<<<<<Pluto sq Persephone
Jupiter sq Juno "
How do you weigh those squares? Are they still a positive connection?
Or is it a bad sign to have them between mythological couples?>>>>>

Good question DD. In fact, although I know we all need some squares in our lives and relationships, I never seem to be clear on which squares can be a fun challenge and which ones...well, not so much.

Maybe Juno square Karma means that your level of bonding and commitment is challenged by karmic agreements? And I suppose that the same could be true about Jupiter if you were using it in conjunction somehow with Juno?

And also a good question about retro Valentine. I've wondered that before myself. I assume that it means you have karma with that energy this time around, but I never thought of it as dangerous per se, but it did seem like there would be work involved.

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posted January 17, 2009 01:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Love,

"I know we all need some squares in our lives and relationships, I never seem to be clear on which squares can be a fun challenge and which ones...well, not so much."
Yes, same here.

I think, maybe squares between Venus and Mars, Venus and Pluto or even Sun and Mars may cause some sort of raw attraction, even though they wouldn´t be very stable or easy.
Maybe Eros-Mars and Eros-Pluto would work, too.
Or it would be just too much. lol


""Maybe Juno square Karma means that your level of bonding and commitment is challenged by karmic agreements?"
Yes, I could imagine that.


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posted January 17, 2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Agree about Pluto/venus not being twinsoul mate aspect.

My mother and her husband have been married now for 33 years, haven't spent a night apart, have practically eaten every meal together and are together 24/7.

They are like Paul and Linda and i'm pretty sure that they are twin souls. They are so in love it's amazing!

If you looked at their synastry you would laugh.
No venus/pluto, lots and lots of squares and oppositions!

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posted January 17, 2009 02:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

I couldn`t say if my parents are twinsouls or not, but I do think they must be soulmates at least. They have also been married for 35 years this year.
And they also do not share a Venus-Pluto-aspect. They have some other interesting aspects though:


Sun conjunct Siva
Moon trine Psyche
Moon opposes Sun
Mars trine Valentine
Mars conjuncts Saturn
Saturn conjuncts Venus
Saturn conjuncts Mars
NN conjunct Jupiter
SN conjunct Saturn
ASC conjunct Venus
IC conjunct Juno
Karma trine Venus
Karma trine Mars
Amor trine Pluto
Psyche trine ASC
Psyche trine Karma
Psyche conjunct NN
Kaali conjunct Isis
Siva trine Kaali (4°)
Isis trine Isis
Osiris exactly trine Moon
Osiris exactly opposite Isis
Union trine ASC
Union conjunct Karma
Union trine NN
Union conjunct Kaali
Moon trine Union


But NO Venus-Pluto-aspect. And also a lot of squares. For example my Dad`s Sun squares my Mum`s Sun-Karma-conjunction.

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posted January 17, 2009 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I never understood the lure of Pluto/Venus conjunct either. I mean, I share it with everyone who's much younger than I am....it just feels highly generational. I can't see relying on a generational aspect alone for soulmate compatibility.

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posted January 17, 2009 02:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
IQ,

"Osiris and Isis
Jupiter and Juno
Zeus and Hera
Eros or Cupid and Psyche
Pluto and Proserpine or Persephone
Siva and Parvati or Kaali
and of course Mars and Venus.

Karma, Amor, Union and Valentine are very much valid especially on Asc, Moon, Saturn and Pluto."

So we would look mainly for the aspects between the mythological couples as mentioned above and additionally to these:

Karma - ASC
Karma - Moon
Kiarma - Saturn
Karma - Pluto
Amor - ASC
Amor - Moon
Amor - Saturn
Amor - Pluto
Union - ASC
Union-Moon
Union-SAturn
Union-Pluto
VAlentine - ASC
Valentine-moon
Valentine-Saturn
Valentine-Pluto

Would we also look for:

Karma-Amor
Karma-Union
Karma-Valentine
Amore-Union
Amor-VAlentine
Union-Valentine

and

ASC-Moon
ASC-SAturn
ASC-Pluto
Moon-Saturn
Moon- Pluto
(Saturn-Pluto)?

What aspects to the NN`s? They are also very valid, or am I wrong here?

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posted January 17, 2009 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
my mum has none of these aspects with her husband
sun/sun
sun/moon
mercury/mercury

They do have:
mars sq saturn
sun opp venus
sun opp jupiter
venus sextile saturn
sun opp saturn
sun opp pluto
sun sq neptune
valentine sq NN/vertex/juno
valentine opp NN
karma sextile juno
siva trine kaali
valentine conj eros
val trine val

AC's unknown.

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