posted January 20, 2009 02:04 PM         

I had been thinking about few things but this quote just motivated me enough to start this thread.

Maybe cz of my venus sq neptune, i am getting totally thrown off by this concept of or obession with soul mate stuff.

its very funny, last night i was thinking why people emphasize past life connections..... so what if u were connected or not connected in past lives. Does this make connection with someone new less important. cz in next life he or she will be past life connection and thus important. (by the way i dont personally belive in past lives). Anyway the point is it is we as individuals, in this very life, who are more important.

it is not sun conjuct moon, or venus conjuct moon that makes the relations work. BUT..as IQhunk said, its the depth as an individual that makes the relationship work.

and for that matter its not sun sqaure saturn or venus square saturn that makes us give up on a relationship, its we as individuals who hurt each other or do wrong.

again, i am just getting weary of this search for soulmates and twinflames and kindered spirits.....i think this is just delusioning us about the importance of and responsibility as individuals..

there are no soulmate runners imo, there are either selfish or immature individuals, who cause hurt...its we as individuals who define a relationship, make it worth keeping (or the other way round)

posted January 20, 2009 02:14 PM           

I agree that the present, today, the individual I am NOW is important, but this individual is only like it is, BECAUSE of my past.
You don`t even have to believe in past lives, the past 12 months are enough in most cases.

To understand the past helps me understand the present a lot better.

posted January 20, 2009 02:21 PM         

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Does this make connection with someone new less important. cz in next life he or she will be past life connection and thus important.

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posted January 20, 2009 02:43 PM           

I absolutely agree with you.

But to clarify something: I didn`t mean that we are slaves to our past and condemmned to repeat everything over and over again.

No, but I am absoluely sure that I would be a different person, if I had made different experiences in the past, met other people; in this regard my past of course has led me to be the person I am today.
That doesn`t mean I can`t start anew though. Of course I can.

posted January 20, 2009 02:56 PM         

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it means "present" has power and potential to change future

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absolutely!

posted January 20, 2009 03:03 PM         

I think the terminology (i.e soulmate runners, etc.) is sometimes an attempt to name something to give a level of understanding to a situation, but I don't believe it should be formulaic because we're all individuals.

This:
"Most of them will have fantastic soul mate aspects, thats why they attracted each other but with spirituality and human values suppressed through incessant dumbing down of the masses, they will let just a few tense aspects wreck their marriage."

I'm not so sure about this. You can outgrow someone. If you come together and have something very special with someone and you're both put on the fast-track to personal growth, and yet one or both people aren't taking responsibility for themselves or the relationship, then it will wreck the marriage/relationship. If your 'soulmate' isn't outgrowing patterns that harm the relationship, then I don't see how it could work.
They can still be your 'soulmate', but they've made a different choice. Two people coming together 'should' ideally grow together...but none of us knows if the thing will last or not. There's just no guarantee. All you can do is take responsibility for your life and the relationship, and hope the other is doing the same. And if they're not, then I don't believe it's healthy to chain oneself to situation which isn't conducive to growth, because then it's just stagnation.

posted January 20, 2009 03:15 PM         

If you listen to a radio, you can't listen to 2 stations at once can you? you can flip between them but you can only be on one station at a time and the one you are listening to is relevant, the others are not within your time frame, or existence.

posted January 20, 2009 03:17 PM         

as to soulmates and the rest i have to agree with you emma, and iq, it is what we as individuals do with the connections that makes the difference. personally i have never looked for a soulmate or analyzed relationships much with that in mind. last year however i met someone - whom i had met a couple of times 40ish years ago - whose energy had such an intense effect on me i have been trying to figure it out since!! and the karmic connections between our charts are BEYOND INTENSE.

i still have not figured it out and i am not one to throw over my and other people's lives for a bunch of intense aspects or even an incredibly mesmerizing connection. but it has opened me to the possibility of "soulmate" connections and pasts that span centuries, and certainly feels like that is the case here. to what purpose? i don't yet know...

at the same time i have an exhusband who i KNEW from first meeting was going to be a significant other - he is the father of my child - and i was spot on, there; the aspects between us are also "soulmate" stuff, and though we split as a couple 20 years ago it has been an enduring supportive relationship despite the heavy and difficult times, mostly coinciding with karmic planets touching significant parts of our charts.

though we did not manage to stay together we did manage to override our passions enough to raise our daughter pretty amicably and we are still friends...whether this is "destined" or coincidence i don't know if i will ever know, but i do know i have never had a significant relationship with anyone whose chart did not touch mine in pretty obvious ways...

posted January 20, 2009 03:20 PM           

you`re wrong.

Ah I so much wanted to say that once. Ah did I hear a bull snorting in frustration?

OF course NOW there is only now.
But the NOW is only THIS kind of NOW, because YESTERDAY was THAT kind of yesterday.

posted January 20, 2009 03:30 PM         

My father has spent over 40 years of his life proving this point and has done so seriously. He was one of only 3 people allowed to meditate for 3 days in Tutenkhamun's tomb (over 20 years ago now) because he is so serious about his work and it gave him great insight into how the Egyptians used the 'parallels' of life to figure out the Universe etc etc.

He conclusively proved that only 'now' exists and he is a total believer in past lives, you just have to look at it laterally to understand it.