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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted January 21, 2009 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
It was reported on Yahoo and I just saw it in the New York Times. This is from the New York Times:

January 21, 2009, 7:53 pm

Oath Is Administered Once Again

By Jeff Zeleny

WASHINGTON – President Obama was re-administered the oath of office on Wednesday evening by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., one day after the two men stumbled over each other’s words during the inauguration.

Mr. Obama and Mr. Roberts stood in the Map Room of the White House at 7:35 p.m. and recited the oath before a small group of advisers and a handful of reporters.

Robert Gibbs, a spokesman for the White House, said the oath was re-administered out of an “abundance of caution” because a couple of words were out of place on Tuesday. The White House Counsel’s office thought the original oath was proper, Mr. Gibbs said, but Mr. Obama did a second oath anyway.

So a "separate chart" should be calculated for today at 7:35 PM.

I'll do it and repost it here.

WOW!!!

So now that's 3 charts to watch. The 12:00 Noon chart as dictated by The Consitution of the U.S., then the 1st Oath chart for 12:05 PM on 1/20/09; and then tonight's chart.

What an adventure.

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posted January 21, 2009 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
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posted January 21, 2009 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
OK, here it is:



I'm not sure I like it. My own Mercury-Saturn conjunction may have shut down my complex thought processes for the night. It happens.

But notice that I included the asteroid "BARRY" because that's the name he used up until he went to college. It was then that he decided to use his original name of Barak. Sooo...the Moon is conjunct Barry by 4 degrees or less, BUT Uranus is exactly square Barry and Saturn squares Barry.

What could be worse than to have your asteroid be the fulcrum of a T-Square including the opposition of Saturn-Uranus opposition. But then here I go being fatalistic. That, plus the Moon, could just be further suggestion that he is the agent of change between old ways of doing things and the new. It doesn't look easy but it's very active. That's all I got for tonight.

Anyone else want to take a crack at this? I haven't even checked the midpoints yet, but I liked the old chart. At least the Sun-Jupiter conjunction is still in affect. We will definitely need that large blessing.

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posted January 21, 2009 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
His name is BARRY?

omg i've so gone off him now lol

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posted January 21, 2009 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Not at all taking anything away from you Geo but I personally don't think this chart makes a difference. I say this because he became President officially at 12pm. I'm not sure but I think the reason behind that constitutional claus is to protect the presidency just incase there was a threat to his life or our country and his presence was needed somewhere else. So me personally, I'd go with the 12 pm chart. But again, I'm not trying to take anything away from you by saying this.

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Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
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posted January 21, 2009 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Got Gemini?,

Your opinion is entirely valid, I take no offense at all, I love the discussion for or against. The entire astrological community is abuzz with the news of this event. It also fires up the conspiracy theorist in me. I'm arguing it back and forth inside myself.

Yes, it is written into the U.S. Constitution, but it's also written that it must be recited verbatim. I just read that this is the 3rd time a president has re-taken the oath, so I'm thinkin' "There's something to this that is of great importance to someone or something that really matters.

I think about all the zodiacs around Washington, D.C. and why it was so important to those building the government buildings and all. I think about how important symbolism is to this government. There's a lot smoke and mirrors around how important they are, yet we continue to use them. Whether it's Obama or the people or the so called "superstitious" constituency, they thought it important enough to do it again.

I'm a person who understands that as much as politicians laugh at the prognostication arts, they certainly do employ enough of them, including our presidential office. I personally know one, but if I tell you, I'd have to kill you.

So, they laugh in front of us, but they take it very seriously behind many closed and locked doors.

When Obama recited the oath yesterday, I was certain that they left it with him saying the words, "President TO the United States of America." instead of saying "President OF the..."

Anyway, it gives my little brain something to chew on. And it will be fun to follow each chart to see what happens when certain transits and arcs occur.

And thanks for responding, I was beginning to think no one cared at all, even to dispute.

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posted January 21, 2009 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I had posted the question about mercury retrograde and what it would do to his being inaugurated. I said I wondered if it would stick.
To me this is then what the retrograde meant.

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posted January 21, 2009 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I sure do remember you saying that, Good Girl! Excellent call, there.

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posted January 21, 2009 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Good Girl strikes again!!! Right on, grrrrl

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posted January 21, 2009 10:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Obama was announced as president yesterday @ noon and he began working as president yesterday at noon. He already has issued orders. The second oath is only administrative, it should not be considered as the new beginning. Yesterday at noon was the official new beginning of his presidency.
"Craig, the White House lawyer, said in a statement Wednesday evening: "We believe the oath of office was administered effectively and that the president was sworn in appropriately yesterday. Yet the oath appears in the Constitution itself. And out of the abundance of caution, because there was one word out of sequence, Chief Justice John Roberts will administer the oath a second time."

The Constitution is clear about the exact wording of the oath and as a result, some constitutional experts have said that a do-over probably wasn't necessary but also couldn't hurt."

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posted January 21, 2009 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Jezz - from the back of the class.
    -- Several constitutional lawyers said President Obama should, just to be safe, retake the oath of office that was flubbed by Chief Justice John Roberts. It is precautionary. A constitutional law prof (Jonathan Turley) at Georgetown U says "He should probably go ahead and take the oath again," Turley said. "If he doesn't, there are going to be people who for the next four years are going to argue that he didn't meet the constitutional standard. I don't think it's necessary, and it's not a constitutional crisis."
The constitutional time is 12 P.M. The astrology it seems to me should go for the 12:06 when he began the oath.
    And as far as Merc R and "do overs" signing of docs etc. Merc was making an interior conjunction to Sun, I feel this is beneficial. The interior conjunction to the Sun (that is, Mercury coming between the Earth and the Sun), is the exact midpoint of the retrograde. Mercury is Solorized
I am actually wondering if the end of the oath should be the proper time. But when thinking that I wonder if my Zero degree Virgo rising is splitting hairs. it's a lawyer thing to get the words right. And they are all lawyers.
    *edit.....one other thing, the Chief Justice botched the words not Obama, listen to it. Obama prompted him immediately. Also he and the Chief have a history, seems Obama voted against his appointment.

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posted January 21, 2009 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
I think it was a wise thing to redo the oath for the simple reason that if he takes the oath a couple of times then that is what mercury retro represented. If he were not to re take (because technically it was not necessary) then mercury retro would find another way of manifesting that perhaps would not be so benign.

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posted January 21, 2009 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I say this in the joyful spirit of debate - Shoulda, woulda, coulda!! Even this country has more than one timed chart and they all react to symbolic timed measurements. I'll be following all three charts. It won't take too long. When transiting Saturn squares Pluto. If it affects 4th House issues of the presidency, we'll know if it's this chart or one of the other two charts.

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posted January 21, 2009 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Geo, when you look at these charts do you see any transits or indication of Obama leading the USA into more war please?
There is a LOT of talk about this in Europe right now.

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posted January 21, 2009 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
It's funny you mention that, I was just looking at transiting Saturn which will reach Pluto in this chart. I seem to remember that the main war transit is when Pluto and Saturn are opposite one another as they were between 2001 and 2003 when the U.S. went to war with Afghanistan and then Iraq. I suppose it's a possibility, it's always a possibility. After all, he has mentioned that we need to send more troops to Afghanistan because we've been so focused on Iraq, we let things slide in Afghanistan and we've had the worst year there this year than at any point in that war in the past.

What's the general consensus in your neck of the woods?

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posted January 22, 2009 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
it also means that the moon is no longer void of course, which should also help it stick! maybe the flub was DUE to the moon being void and mercury retrograde...i wonder if they have any astrologers advising them, like most heads of state over history?

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I might be a little late for the party, but what strikes me about the chart is that Regulus(the heart of Lion), one of the Royal Stars is rising. I am not sure how this will affect the USA, though it seems well selected time for the president.

Regulus:
"If Rising: Great honor and wealth, but violence and trouble, sickness, fevers, acute disease, benefits seldom last, favor of the great, victory over enemies and scandal."
(Robson)

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posted January 22, 2009 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Regulus!! Awesome observation!! Another thing I read on another discussion forum was to look at the 12:05:55 Chart on inaugeration day and you'll see that Mercury Retrograde is in a conjunction with Sun and Jupiter in the 10th House. Jupiter is "The Judge", the Sun is "The leader" and Mercury RX suggests the communication troubles, the duality (having to REpeat the oath). It's so interesting.

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posted January 22, 2009 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'm still in a little disbelief that he's actually in office. I think it's starting to set in, though. I like that he's getting straight to it.

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posted January 22, 2009 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
It is a bit jarring, isn't it, AG? I keep seeing him there and going...uhhhh WOW. The vibe's completely different already too...amazing.

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posted January 22, 2009 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I'm still in shock myself. Whenever I hear him or almost anyone from his administration speaking, I get choked up and feel tears stinging the corners of my eyes because their clarity and eloquence just makes me break down. LOOOOOOOOOL!!!

After 8 years of Bush trying to explain things to us like we were stupid children, it's like having my lungs filled with fresh oxygen when I hear people speaking with common sense. I love that he stuck to his guns about keeping his Blackberry device because it makes no sense that the leader of our country must be outside of the loop when technology in our lives is like breathing air constantly or drinking water.

They also reported, today, that the computer system in the White House was incredibly antiquated. If you watched an episode of "The West Wing" their computers were more high tech than the actual West Wing.

And God bless the man for taking immediate steps to close down that torture chamber called Guantanamo and constantly stressing that it goes against the values clearly written in the Constitution. The Constitution embodies the beliefs and values that made a country like this possible. I'm watching these 100 days like my eyeballs are glued to the computer screen and TV screen.

And even though I'm one of the thousands of unemployed right now, I actually believe things are going to be OK, somehow, because I've got confidence in him and the people he's chosen for his cabinet.

OK, I'm off my soapbox.

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posted January 22, 2009 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Hey GeoCosmo, I'm right there with you, and you didn't slip on any of those soap suds either

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posted January 22, 2009 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, the BlackBerry thing was an interesting issue. I guess he had to negotiate for that. It is difficult to imagine not having means of communicating privately via electronic means.

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posted January 22, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

Isn't it amazing?! I actually make my roommate laugh hysterically when we're watching the news and Obama or someone in his administration begins to speak. I act like a soap opera actress and I fall to my knees in front of the TV and I pretend to sob uncontrollably and I say through fake tears, "My GOOOODDDDD!!! It's so beautiful!!" *sob* *sob* *boo hoo* *sniff, sniff, blow* *sob*

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