posted January 29, 2009 03:22 PM         

I am hoping that this post will help others who are feeling stuck and wondering what they should do with their lives.

From Donna Cunningham
THE OUTERPLANETS AND INNERLIFE,VOLUME 1: THE CAREER PATH OF THE EXCEPTIONAL SOUL

"Astrologically, the charts of exceptional souls tend to have the outer planets—Uranus,
Neptune, and Pluto—and the signs those planets rule—Aquarius, Pisces, and Scorpio—
strongly featured. The Sun, Moon, Ascendant, or Midheaven might be connected with
those planets or signs, or those planets might have many aspects, or be in a major
configuration like a T-square, Grand Cross, or Grand Trine. When more than one of the
outer planets is strong, astrologers may use the term Outer Planet Person—and, no, it
doesn’t mean you come from outer space, though you may sometimes wonder whether
you did. "

Prominent Outer Planet energy:
Sun,Moon,Ascendant,or Midheaven conjunct,square,trine,or opposite outer planet.

(Donna Cunningham doesn't include the sextile, but I would make an exception for the Ascendant,Midheaven. After all an object sextile to an angle means that it's trine the opposite angle)

(I would also add the parallel,contraparallel in regards to being connection to the Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven and/or being part of part of configuration of 3 or more planets.)

"Outer Planet People”—From Outer Space to the Rat Race?
The term Outer Planet People does not refer to aliens from another planet, although these people often feel that they must be from outer space, since they do not fit easily onto this earth. The true Outer Planet Person, familiarly called an OPP, has a mixture of two or more of these planets or signs highlighted in the birth chart.
OPPs are exceptional individuals and not usually meant for mainstream careers,so their curriculum vita is anything but linear. Outer Planet People present special challenges when it comes to finding a life work or settling for a mainstream career. Their perspectives, interests, and needs are not well served by working in a bank. Even more than those with a single outer planet highlighted, OPPs often "meander" until midlife,trying out various types of work."

"Those planets take a good deal of maturity to handle well, and it often turns out that OPPs haven't lost time after all, because the skills and experiences gained from this mixture of experiences help them understand the difficulties other people face. An
astrologer, for instance, who has spent time in sales, as a receptionist in a doctor’s office,and finally as a stay-at-home Mom can bring all those experiences to bear in client sessions. Drawing on this diverse background, that astrologer could relate to and give
knowledgeable insight to clients who are in sales, those in the health fields, and young mothers trying to adjust to their roles.
OPPs often have a sense of destiny about their careers. They are likely to regard their vocation as a CALLING in the old fashioned sense of the word—not as something that they chose, but as something that chose them. They are otherworldly rather than
worldly, visionary rather than practical. They might wind up in nontraditional careers like motivational speakers, New Age practitioners, creative artists, or political or environmental activists. Our society does not tend to validate or reward the callings suggested by the outer planets. Thus, the person with outer
planets in the 10th house is often forced to earn a living through the 2nd house and the skills shown there.
To the outside observer, the career of an OPP seems less like a path than a lane that wanders all over the place. OPPs typically meander for years on the road to a true career,with many apparent false starts. Often people who have these placements don’t come into their own until midlife, when those planets by transit planets form aspects to their natal positions. Still, the meandering path they so often take in their twenties and thirties provides them with valuable skills and life experiences to ground their extraordinary life purposes. I often feel that people whose charts are strong in the outer planets need a lot of seasoning before these planets can be used at their best.
As a consequence, however, many OPPs wonder why they are not as well established as their contemporaries and consider themselves failures. People whose opinions matter—family, friends, mate, peers, even their community as a whole—may share this opinion and reinforce it, creating low-self esteem, guilt, and a heavy load of alienation. Their apparent failure is especially puzzling since they are often exceptional—brilliant, talented, and full of potential. There are good reasons for this pattern, and it is important that OPPs not judge themselves for not fitting into the mainstream career mold.
First, the outer planets are not ordinary and easy to express, but instead require a great deal of maturity to handle well. Meandering through life and having a variety of experiences is part of the growth and evolution that is required—as though the life
journey were a long pilgrimage through a wilderness. It is easy to lose your way with these planets, and OPPs often do so repeatedly, learning much from these mistakes. We all tend to blunder and fall on our faces when using the outer planets’ energies, but the typical OPP may do so spectacularly, publicly, and even compulsively. Second, the OPP is often a visionary and social critic who entertains ideas our world considers strange or even dangerous. When that outer planet is well-featured, having excellent aspects, the OPP may be a trendsetter and innovator who galvanizes a new fashion or social development. Mostly, however, society lags far behind the OPPs visions, moves exceedingly slowly, and does not exactly appreciate the seeming outsider who calls attention to needed changes."

"Generally the OPP is stuck waiting for society to catch up to these visions, so the OPP’s considerable talents can at last be valued. What many OPPs do while they wait for society to catch up is to live on the edge and explore the more destructive expressions of the outer planets, one after another. Neptunians may try out a series of addictions. Plutonians may get caught up in various compulsions, including sexual ones. Uranians may hare about on motorcycles, become a computer hacker, or join some sort of counter culture. Eventually, pursuing paths like these tends to hurt like anything, but they do pass the time in interesting situations. They also offset that painful sense of alienation by bringing one into contact with others of the same planetary persuasion.
Often such paths are a crash course into how NOT to use the outer planets that might otherwise take several lifetimes to master. Many who have learned those lessons gain a sense of self worth and service by helping those who are still struggling to learn
them. As an example, Neptune is often strong in the charts of alcoholics. Alcoholics Anonymous is based on the principle the recovering alcoholic’s salvation comes in part through giving service to those who still suffer from the disease."

posted January 29, 2009 03:30 PM         

I am an OPP myself

Sun in Scorpio in 2nd (Pluto rules Scorpio, influencing an occupational house,2nd)
Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd
Venus in Scorpio in 3rd
(Scorpio Prominent)
Moon in Pisces in 6th (Neptune rules Pisces, influencing occupational house,6th)
(Pisces Prominent)
Mars in Aquarius in 6th (Uranus rules Aquarius, influencing occupational house,6th)

Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune
(Neptune prominent by being in 4 planet configuration in the declinations)

T-Square of Moon in 6th square the opposition of Saturn and Jupiter-Neptune
(Neptune prominent by being in t-square and aspecting the Moon......involves an occupational house,6th)

Sun in 2nd contraparallel Pluto (involves occupational house,2nd)

Uranus in 2nd trine Midheaven (involves 2 occupational houses,2nd and 10th)

posted January 29, 2009 03:33 PM         

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but I would make an exception for the Ascendant,Midheaven. After all an object sextile to an angle means that it's trine the opposite angle

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posted January 29, 2009 03:36 PM         

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Their perspectives, interests, and needs are not well served by working in a bank.

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That's hilariously on target for me...who has:

Neptune opposite Ascendant,
Uranus Trine MC (and Saturn)
Pluto Trine Ascendant (sextile Neptune)
Aquarius MC

...and who works for a bank.

posted January 29, 2009 03:41 PM         

because it aspects the opposite point
many astrologers don't take the Imum Coeli(the opposite point of the Midheaven) and the Descendant (the opposite point of the Ascendant) into account when they do interpretations.

A sextile to the Midheaven is also a trine to the Imum Coeli which has to do with domestic environment,unconscious,family roots - the cusp of the 4th house ruled by Moon
Family background,unconscious,past tend factor in people's career choices

A sextile to the Ascendant is also a trine to the Descendant which has to do with relationships,partnerships,others in general - the cusp of the 7th house ruled by Venus
these things can factor into career in regards to how you relate to others, partners could also have a factor in career.

posted January 29, 2009 03:41 PM         

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but why? sextile and trine aspects manifest in different ways

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posted January 29, 2009 03:43 PM         

Other Kuiper Belt objects that I believe should be considered are Eris,Haumea,Makemake,Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Ixion,
Huya, Chaos which are the big kuiper belt objects.

KBO people are natural nonconformists. The Kuiper belt objects relate to nonconformity. After all, they don't orbit similar to the regular planets. Their orbits are highly eccentric. They orbit well off the ecliptic unlike the regular planets.
Pluto is a kuiper belt object,and so it doesn't have an orbit similar to the regular planets. It has a highly eccentric orbit. It orbits well off the ecliptic unlike the regular planets. Therefore,it's a nonconformist. It would make sense for KBO's to have problems finding the right career for them until they find their calling. It could involve a metaphysical line of work. After all, the kuiper belts orbit beyond not only Saturn (the planet of physical boundaries),but also beyond Neptune (the planet of dissolution of physical boundaries).

Prominent Kuiper Belt energy:
Sun,Moon,Ascendant,or Midheaven conjunct,square,trine,or opposite the Kuiper Belt Object
I left out the sextile just like Donna Cunningham did for prominent Kuiper Belt energy.

the exception is for the angles......after all an object sextile to an angle means that it's trine the opposite angle

sextile Ascendant/trine Descendant
sextile Midheaven/trine Imum Coeli

Only 3 degree orb for Kuiper Belt aspects and that includes Pluto which I consider a Kuiper belt object.

I would also include parallel,contraparallel within 10 minutes of arc

In my own chart:

Prominent Ixion:
Sun conjunct Ixion in 2nd - '05 (involves occupational house,2nd)
Moon in 6th trine Ixion - 2'15 (involves occupational house,6th)
Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Prominent Quaoar:
Sun conjunct Quaoar in 2nd - 2'58 (involves occupational house,2nd)
Moon in 6th trine Quaoar - '50 (involves occupational house,6th)
Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self
Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Prominent Orcus:
Sun in 2nd contraparallel Orcus - '01 (involves occupational house,2nd)
Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed
Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Prominent Varuna:
Moon in 6th square Varuna - '09 (involves occupational house,6th)
Neptune oppose Varuna - 1'13
(T-Square)
Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted
Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment

Prominent Haumea:
Haumea conjunct Ascendant - 2'10
Haumea square Midheaven - '03 (involves occupational house,10th)
Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.
Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Prominent Eris:
Eris sextile Midheaven/trine Imum Coeli - 1'01 (involves occupational house,10th)
Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.
Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Right Ascension
(Equatorial Longitude Coordinates that astronomers use to locate celestial objects)

Prominent Sedna:
Sun in 2nd oppose Sedna - '43 (involves occupational house,2nd)
Moon in 6th sextile Sedna - '38 (involves occupational house,6th)
(Wedge)
Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life
Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

preliminary keywords for kuiper belt objects from Philip Sedgwick http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

I can relate to the meandering.
I was in the navy for 7 years as a telecommunications operator including 9 months of broken service (I got out and went back in 9 months because I had a hard time adjusting to civilian life...especially hard time finding a job...I worked on naval computer system,and that was my main training,but nobody else had that system). During the time I was out, I once tried to do marketing program that involved selling knock-off fragrances. I enrolled in school for pharmacy tech, but I ended up dropping the program when the teacher confronted me about having a reading problem which made me feel stupid. I enrolled in the optical program,but I didn't complete it because I didn't finish the procedures even though I past all my tests,exams with a B average. I got a certificate for Regional Occupational Program center program after being advised by vocational rehab person,and I got my certificate after doing the work and taking the test. I had problems with the program because I couldn't listen well,people were talking to fast for me and I couldn't keep up with them.
I completed a 720 hour massage therapy certificate program,but I haven't got any employment in massage therapy. I have years of unemployment. I have military service connected disability connected to Depression which was changed to Bipolar Diagnosis which is a misdiagnosis.
Now, I realize that my life purpose is to be a neurodiversity advocate, helping my fellow neurodivergents be understood by society. I want to help my fellow neurodivergents who psychiatric misdiagnosed like I was(misdiagnosed Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder), and I want to help prevent my fellow neurodivergents from being misdiagnosed. I also believe that I was meant to help neurodivergents as an astrologer. I want to help mostly neurodivergent children. I want to help parents understand their children and show them how they can help them develop/use their neurodivergent strengths which many neurotypical people tend to overlook because they focus on their neurodivergent weaknesses too much. Of course, I want to help neurodivergents by giving them information on how to correct their neurodivergent issues by natural means (special education therapies,nutrition,certain exercises). I would like to apply the use of massage therapy as treatment for neurodivergents. I have also been thinking of ideas on how neurotypicals can learn to empathize with neurodivergents, I want to specialize in Neurodivergent Astrology.
Unlike astrologers that approach neurodivergence from the neurotypical perspective by focusing on hard aspects because they see neurodivergence as disorder, I will approach it from the neurodivergent perspective by looking at the overall chart as well as checking out certain harmonics,centaurs,and kuiper belt objects.

Raymond

posted January 29, 2009 03:46 PM         

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yes, but sextile to DSC is not the same as trine to ASC, square to ASC/DSC would be the same...

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posted January 29, 2009 03:56 PM         

I think that I am being misunderstood.
My point was that I believe that the Imum Coeli and Descendant are important like the Midheaven and Ascendant. My point was nothing about them being the same or similar. My point was that they can figure into the career in regards that certain areas of our lives like domestic environment,family stuff,relationships,partnerships,and how we relate to others can also factor into our career choices.

My other point is that astrologers don't take the Imum Coeli and Descendant into account when they do interpretations.
for instance, I have Jupiter oppose Midheaven. I see negative interpretations for it in regards to career, but there is nothing positive in regards to domestic environment with Jupiter conjunct my Imum Coeli.

I take the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and the Ascendant/Descendant axis into account. I look at them as whole axises. Therefore,when I see aspect to Midheaven, I also consider it an aspect to Imum Coeli and include interpretations for the Imum Coeli. When I see aspect to Ascendant,I also consider it an aspect to Descendant and include interpretations for the Descendant.

Uranian Astrologers,Cosmobiologists seem to do that with the Midheaven and Descendant.

but yeah....my overall point is that the Imum Coeli and Descendant are important as the Midheaven and Ascendant. Planets aspecting the Imum Coeli and Descendant should be considered in its prominence. Therefore, planet sextile the Midheaven can be a prominent planet because it trines the opposite point,the Imum Coeli. The planet sextile the Ascendant can be a prominent planet because it trines the opposite point,the Descendant.

I definitely feel Eris to be prominent in me with Eris sextile the Midheaven because Eris trines my Imum Coeli. Diversity,Divergence in my domestic environment was a big factor in my life, and would influence my path as an advocate,dealing with equal/civil rights matters as well as anything that has to do with diversity,divergence.

posted January 29, 2009 04:01 PM         

for many years i felt inferior because i just never could GET "normal" careers. my parents despaired as i followed a mishmash of jobs they considered beneath me, travelled the globe, and eventually settled into a career in music (my father successfully deflected me from acting in my teens even though he was in the performing arts himself!!) which was considered high risk...and when i became a mom and opted for work that did not demand travel it was as a masseuse and healer.

i am a good deal older than you and just now, in the early days of a new jupiter cycle, i am taking on more responsibility in my place of work AND working on some new music. my varied experiences have given me a depth of insight i never had in my 20s, 30s or even 40s and i am looking forward to being who i set out to be decades ago...!!

posted January 29, 2009 04:05 PM         

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My other point is that astrologers don't take the Imum Coeli and Descendant into account when they do interpretations.

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posted January 29, 2009 04:15 PM         

I was referring to astrologers in regards to what they write in books,astrological information sites,as well as interpretations for astrological software

posted January 29, 2009 04:32 PM         

that's interesting that you included Chiron because it's a centaur.

I think that people with Centaurs prominent in the chart could also fit with the Outer Planet Type.
Centaurs have highly eccentric orbits and they orbit well off the ecliptic. Therefore,they are nonconformists too. That's why Chiron is considered to be a maverick, but now there are over 40 other centaurs discovered. Therefore, it makes sense to see the other centaurs as mavericks too. The centaurs with lower eccentric orbits are named after female mythological characters like Chariklo named after Chiron's mate.

In mythology, Chiron was the son of Cronos and Philyra,and he's an immortal...so he was far different type of Centaur. Therefore he stands out among the centaurs, and so it would make sense for Chiron to be the most important of the centaurs in our solar system.

In mythology, the mortal centaurs were descendants of Ixion,who was punished by Zeus for pretty much his lusty nature,coming onto Hera, getting caught bragging about having sex with a fake Hera named Nephele that Zeus made to test Ixion's lust for Hera. The offspring of Nephele and Ixion was Centaurus who mated with a mare,and the centaurs resulted from that union.

Ixion is the name of one of the big plutino Kuiper belt objects. It could be similar to the centaurs in regards to its astrological influence. Before the kuiper belt was discovered, Chiron was thought to come from outside the solar system. Ever since the discovery of the Kuiper Belt which is located in the outerpart of our solar System which includes Pluto, Chiron and the other centaurs are now found to originate from the kuiper belt.

I am thinking maybe the same orbs for the kuiper belt objects should be used with the centaurs.

I am not just an Outer Planet Person and Kuiper Belt Object Person, I am also a Centaur Person.

Prominent Chiron:
Chiron sextile Midheaven/trine Imum Coeli - '42
Positive - healing, just, wise, fair, insightful, knowledgeable, skilled in arts, medicine, healing, philosophy, focused, positively full of one’s self, sense of soul’s purpose
Negative - opinionated, teaching others the lessons needed by oneself, wounding, corrupt, illicit, irritating demeanor, clinging, feeling homely or unwanted, estranged from parents

Prominent Asbolus:
Asbolus sextile Midheaven/trine Imum Coeli - 1'16
Positive - intrepid, courageous, leading the charge, motivated to reach the top, intuitive, wise, common sense insightful, solid advice
Negative - lack of sensibility, blind action, failing to follow instincts, intuitions, omens or sensors, easily intoxicated, unable to receive advice from self or others

keywords for centaurs from Philip Sedgwick http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

posted January 29, 2009 05:36 PM         

HAHAHAHAHA

posted January 29, 2009 09:18 PM         

I quitted school recently. It bores me. I refuse to live in a society where the lie is the norm, where childishness continuous to grow. I find the stupidity of it insane.

posted April 01, 2009 06:54 PM           

I'm down with OPP!

Sun10Lib conj. Plu11Lib - 4th
Ven8Sco conj. Ura5Sco - 5th(Venus & Pluto in mutual reception)
MC11Pic sq. Nep11Sag - 6th
Moon14Aqu - 8th (opp. Sat14Leo in 2nd if that matters)

Awesome article! Especially liked this: "One important time of personal and vocational development for people with the outer planets strong in their charts is between the ages of 28-30, when transiting Pluto crosses natal Neptune at the same time as the Saturn return and the Progressed Lunar Return."
I didn't realize that Pluto had crossed my nNeptune because I was so into focusing on my SR (I will still have to check exactly when this did happen) I had the great...fun... of also having tUranus at my MC during my SR(my Sat is in the 2nd house) too. I'm sure any astro-lover would be able to guess what happened... I left my job at that time! I quit it like a bad habit without any sort of net to fall into. It was as if I just woke up and said ENOUGH! It was a 'mainstream' grind type job too. I went through major crisis, or another way to look at it I guess would be a 'major spiritual awakening'.

Also: "An individual with Neptune in the third was always worried about her sister and brother, who had not done as well as she had. Suffering from survivor’s guilt, she was forever rescuing and enabling them."
For me who has Neptune in the 6th, it more about how can I help you? How can I contribute to the greater good... without getting too deep or attached (Aqua Moon )

Anyway, thanks again for the article. It is very positive. I was feeling a little bad about my astro makeup today, wondering why the hell I picked this line up 'cuz I got sucked into reading about detriments and falls and I have a boatload. I feel better now. I like being from Outer Space

posted April 01, 2009 09:30 PM         

Career-wise I do feel like I've fallen behind everyone, although I've always tried to comfort myself by saying that I'm meant for living my late 30s and beyond. It's good to know that this idea really is on track with what is happening.

It's also true that the meandering path does give one additional experience that makes one the premier candidate for one's calling: I've been a babysitter, school volunteer, substitute teacher, tutor, summer camp counselor, and paraprofessional,; each experience contributes to my knowledge of kids and how to be a great teacher.

It's just frustrating seeing mere mortals get everything that you wish you could get so easily, while you're being 'the king of pain' and scrapping for things.