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Peri
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posted January 30, 2009 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I am an empath, I think my Moon conj Neptune is responsible for this, and I can pick up on people's feelings and emotions very well; the problem is sometimes especially when I am stressed or upset, I cannot tell whether I feel their feelings or mine... I have struggled with severe depressions for many years and now I am curious can the empathic ability be the reason of my mood swings and my tendency to avoid public places? ... because I suddenly become depressed or sad or angry for no apparent reason...
Also could someone recommend me any techniques how I can protect myself from negative energy?

P.S. I also have Sun quincunx Neptune with 17 minutes of arc, if that counts

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I have Moon in Pisces AND Moon square Neptune, I am definitely an empath but didn't know until I got into Astrology and learned about my Moon in Pisces and Moon square Neptune in 1998. I even got myself kicked out of the navy when I realized that a lot of my depression was absorbing so much negativity on the ships with low morale. Became more depressed when I was out to sea with a whole bunch of people missing their wives,girlfriends,children,etc. I realized that it was from me feeling their stuff and not separating from mine. A spiritual astrologer that consulted with me pointed out my being psychically sensitive and that I need to protect myself and that I was depressed from all the energies was picking up in my environment. My depression also came from insecurity,fear too(I do have Moon square Saturn....I have t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd, but being empath picking up other's stuff really added to it. I did grow up in a household with an empathic mother who also suffered from depression and anxiety too, and so I was constantly exposed to her negativity. She and I lived with my stepfather who was a very controlling,negative person (a real emotional vampire). As an empath, I try to stay away from negative people. I don't like to be around people who do drugs and drink alcohol. I have felt hangovers by being around people that get drunk. I didn't realize it until I learned about Astrology. My mom told me that she always knew that I was an empath because she is too. She even told me that she would watch how I react to people to see if they are negative or positive people. She told me that when I was very uncomfortable with people,they actually ended up being very negative people. She kinda used me like a dog sniffing out people. She once told me a guy that she dated when I was 18 years old. She saw that I felt very uncomfortable with him,and he turned out to be very negative person that lies about his life,career.


I have a flower essence/gemstone report program. I bought one when I started getting into Astrology. I loved the report,and so I bought it for my Kepler astrology program.

This interpretation is for Moon aspecting Neptune (conjunction,opposition,square,quincunx)

You are like a psychic or emotional tuning fork, picking up and resonating to the feeling state and energies of those around you. The development of objectivity, detachment, discernment, clarity, and psychic, emotional, and energetic boundaries is thus essential to your emotional well being. Otherwise you are apt to be dominated by outside forces and probably be very confused! Participating in what are popularity termed "co-dependent relationships" can also arise.

You are easily moved by others' distress and your own emotional idealism, innocence, naivetι, or gullibility. Passivity, evasiveness, escaping into fantasy or addictive, mood altering substances, and self-deception are potential pitfalls on your path. In truth, you do need your hope, your belief, your faith, and some sort of spiritual nourishment on a regular basis, but need to balance it with realism. Because of your sensitive nature, flower essences and other vibrational remedies are very effective for you. Some that may help you with the above issues include:

For being too easily taken advantage of: the flower essences CENTAURY and BLEEDING HEART.

For maintaining strong psychic boundaries and protection from bombardment by others' feelings and needs: the flower essences YARROW, WILD GRAPE, RED CHESTNUT, and RHUBARB, and the gem essence of HEMATITE.

For greater willingness to face your true feelings: BLACK-EYED SUSAN and AGRIMONY.

For addictive tendencies: MILKY NIPPLE CACTUS, MILKWEED, and CALIFORNIA POPPY.

For developing your psychic talents in a balanced way and integrating your spiritual or psychic perceptions into everyday life: the flower essences MUGWORT, GREEN ROSE, and LOTUS.

Raymond

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PeaceAngel
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posted January 30, 2009 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Peri

I'm the same. What I do is just simply say, that I don't accept anything which isn't mine and either release it to the universe or send it back to it's source with love. I'm not into rituals so fast acting things work for me. That one works immediately for me.

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augentier
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posted January 30, 2009 11:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Peri I know exactly what you mean..a few days ago I was actually thinking to myself, "How do I know I'm feeling what I'm feeling" because I don't know whether or not my feelings are those I pick up from others or my own. Other people affect me SO much in that way..

I have Neptune conjunct my Sun and Mercury..maybe that's it. The only thing that has helped me is to ignore others..sad but that's the only way I know to keep emotions controlled.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Peri,

I remember you told me that you have Mercury conjunct Sedna. From what I see from the myth of Sedna,the Inuit Sea Goddess,it seems to be very Neptune-like. With it being the most distant object in our solar system when at aphelion (at its farthest point from the Sun), it would definitely be very metaphysically oriented...even more so than Neptune.

so maybe your Mercury conjunct Sedna indicates a mental receptiveness that you can be like mental sponge. Albert Einstein had Mercury conjunct Sedna with 17 minutes of arc.


here are some keywords about Sedna from Roy MacKinnon

Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it.

Raymond

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Lara
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posted January 30, 2009 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
moon 23' aries quincunx neptune 25' scorpio..... i go with the empathic aspect!

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 30, 2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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FistOfLegend
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posted January 30, 2009 01:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message
You remind me of a friend.
She has Moon opposite Neptune, and she's very sensitive to everything going on around her.
She took a dance class last year, and half-way through the year she was tired of it. Not because of the rigorous routine or a failing interest in dance. She simply couldn't take the energy around her.
Girls were putting down other classmates, spreading rumors, and basically being nasty to one another. After a while, she could only take so much, and this negative energy was really getting to her. She stayed with the class, being too late in the year to switch, but let's just say she wasn't happy with the experience.
I'd advise you to stay away from bad energy. I suspect it can make you very worrisome and sick. Don't dwell around people who suck you dry.

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Love
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posted January 30, 2009 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Peri ~

I can definitely relate. I have Moon in the 12th house quincunx Neptune. Like Peace Angel, I like fast remedies to those situations, otherwise you can end up with a semi-ruined day, energetically speaking.

In addition to what PA suggested, you can also immediately ground yourself since psychic connectivity happens in the upper chakras. Just imagine yourself growing roots all the way down into the earth, through the length of your spine.

Or if you know you're going to be around a certain energy for an extended period of time, imagine drawing an energy bubble around yourself which only allows in positive energy.

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glamgem25
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posted January 30, 2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glamgem25     Edit/Delete Message
Peri-

There are meditation techniques that psychics use to TURN OFF/ON when to feel for others. Basically shutting down so you can lead your normal life...it's what they do when they are not giving readings to others and such.

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Lara
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posted January 30, 2009 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
it's called PROTECTION.

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glamgem25
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posted January 30, 2009 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glamgem25     Edit/Delete Message
And grounding

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Peri
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posted January 30, 2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
thanks to everyone

My Merc is conj Sedna conj Chiron square Saturn opposite Uranus parallel Pluto

Cap ASC, Scorp MC

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Lara
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posted January 30, 2009 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
all protection is grounding if you know what you are going

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"My Merc is conj Sedna conj Chiron square Saturn opposite Uranus parallel Pluto"

very interesting. Einstein had Mercury-Saturn-Sedna conjunction. so you two share a Mercury-Saturn-Senda configuration in common.


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Happy Dragon
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posted January 30, 2009 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** My Merc is conj Sedna conj Chiron square Saturn opposite Uranus parallel Pluto
Cap ASC, Scorp MC **
i've no idea about asteroids other than chiron ..
not sure what the 'parallel' data is about either ..
reducing that to .. merc conjunct chiron .. those two square to saturn ..
the saturn-uranus opposition and the asc 'n mc signs ..
mmm something to think about ..
makes a bit of sense as to why you might want to change 'work' ..
will explain later .. it be something an astrolger told me about my uranus / saturn square ..
and it was realted to work and lifestyle .. essentialy one should satisfy both ..
and that's not easy to do .. but it has given me some ideas :-)
( 'cause i did find a way to balance those once ..
( even though i didn't know about astrology at the time ..
( and it was a very happy time for moi ..
( 'n i'm aiming to get back 'there' .. balancing saturn and uranus in my chart
( and .. i know how to do it ..

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Peri
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posted January 30, 2009 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus, I wish I was half as brilliant as Einstein was

HD, can you please tell me how you balance your Merc/Saturn square?...I've always thought it is impossible

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amowls
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posted January 30, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I've gotten more intuned with my emotions ever since astrology. Before I got heavily involved with it, I would block out most of my emotions (letting my Sun in Aqua take over my Libran Moon) or reason them away.

Right now transiting Neptune is trine my Moon and I'm more emphatic than ever before.

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 30, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
be Uranus / Saturn square ..
yeah will do .. must be off now to pick up food from the local chinese takeaway ..
mmm saturn square merc ..
actaually i've found .. for me .. transiting saturn to my natal merc ( the hard aspects ) ..
somewhat potentailly difficult ..
will have to explain later .. am in a bit of a rush to pick up food .. :-)
( btw check your mail )
chow time now .. ;-)))

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Sedna is not an asteroid

Asteroid is a term reserved for objects that orbit between Mars and Jupiter.

Sedna is as kuiper belt object. the term,kuiper belt object is reserved for objects that orbit beyond Neptune. Therefore,Pluto is also classed as a kuiper belt object.


because they are objects that orbit beyond Neptune, they are transneptunians, and with them orbiting beyond Neptune and outerplanet associating with the metaphysical(in Neptune's case, the dissolution of boundaries), the kuiper belt objects go beyond boundaries in the unknown,most subtle

the orbit is something that astronomically oriented astrologers consider when trying to determine the astrological influence of an object.


personal planets/points in aspect to kuiper belt objects, would be involved going beyond the boundaries in the unknown,most subtle

in Peri's case, Her Mercury conjunct Sedna would mean that her mental processing goes beyond the boundaries into the unknown,most subtle. This definitely was the case with Albert Einstein.


I would think that people with strong kuiper belt influences would be so metaphysically oriented in their basic natures that they can be ultrasensitive. That's one of the reasons why I believe that they figure prominent in neurodivergents which New Agers label Indigo,Crystal.

As a neurodivergent,I am prominent in Kuiper belt energy with prominent Ixion,Haumea,Quaoar,Varuna,Eris as well as prominent Sedna in Right Ascension(equatorial longitude that astronomers use to locate celestial objects)
I have found other neurodivergents with prominent kuiper belt energies too.
I think that it fits with Donna Cunningham's outer planet people concept in regards to late career bloomers.

I think that autistic people might actually be so empathic because of their ultrasensitivity that they get so overwhelmed by environmental influences continuously that it can be hard for them to function, and this would be what is called sensory integration issues. With their ultravisual thinking,it can be hard to express their empathy with words.
I have been to autistic spectrum forums and autistic spectrum people have expressed that they can be empathic too,and they often say that neurotypicals are the ones that don't understand them. Famous Autistic,Dr. Temple Grandin says that she empathizes very much with animals more so than human beings. Empathy can be so complicated.

Neurotypicals don't understand autistics,and so they might not understand that they can have empathy too, but theirs can be too strong that it's hard to verbalize and share their feelings with others.


I read that gifted people are highly sensitive people.

Dabrowski talked about OE's - over-excitabilities ("superstimulatabilities"), and how the gifted were extremely sensitive in a variety of areas. It's a stimulus-response difference from the norms. It means that in these 5 areas a person reacts more strongly than normal for a longer period than normal to a stimulus that may be very small. It involves not just psychological factors but central nervous system sensitivity. http://www.stephanietolan.com/dabrowskis.htm


There is also the highly sensitive person concept. Elaine Aron wrote books about it. I have a few of her books.


Elaine Aron has a doctoral degree in clinical psychology and a thriving psychotherapy practice. She is the first therapist to tell HSPs how to identify their trait and make the most of it in everyday situations. Highly Sensitive People have an uncommonly sensitive nervous system - a normal occurrence, according to Aron. "About 15 to 20 percent of the population have this trait. It means you are aware of subtleties in your surroundings, a great advantage in many situations. It also means you are more easily overwhelmed when you have been out in a highly stimulating environment for too long, bombarded by sights and sounds until you are exhausted." An HSP herself, Aron reassures other Highly Sensitives that they are quite normal. Their trait is not a flaw or a syndrome, nor is it a reason to brag. It is an asset they can learn to use and protect.

In defining the Highly Sensitive Person, Dr. Aron provides examples of characteristic behaviors, and these are reflected in the questions she typically asks patients or interview subjects:

* Are you easily overwhelmed by such things as bright lights, strong smells, coarse fabrics, or sirens nearby?
* Do you get rattled when you have a lot to do in a short amount of time?
* Do you make a point of avoiding violent movies and TV shows?
* Do you need to withdraw during busy days, into bed or a darkened room or some other place where you can have privacy and relief from the situation?
* Do you make it a high priority to arrange your life to avoid upsetting or overwhelming situations?
* Do you notice or enjoy delicate or fine scents, tastes, sounds, or works of art?
* Do you have a rich and complex inner life?
* When you were a child, did your parents or teachers see you as sensitive or shy?

Dr. Aron explains that in the past HSPs have been called "shy," "timid," "inhibited," or "introverted," but these labels completely miss the nature of the trait. Thirty percent of HSPs are actually extraverts. HSPs only appear inhibited because they are so aware of all the possibilities in a situation. They pause before acting, reflecting on their past experiences. If these were mostly bad experiences, then yes, they will be truly shy. But in a culture that prefers confident, "bold" extraverts, it is harmful as well as mistaken to stigmatize all HSPs as shy when many are not. In The Highly Sensitive Person, Dr. Aron reframes these stereotyping words and their common application to the HSP in a more positive light and helps HSPs use and view these aspects of their personality as strengths rather than weaknesses.

Sensitivity is anything but a flaw. Many HSPs are often unusually creative and productive workers, attentive and thoughtful partners, and intellectually gifted individuals. According to Dr. Aron, HSPs could contribute much more to society if they received the right kind of attention - and her national bestseller proves that this 15 to 20 percent of the population is eager to get off on the right foot in asserting their unique personality trait. http://www.hsperson.com/pages/hsp.htm


the main thing is that high sensitivity is actual trait found equally in both genders. Dr. Elaine Aron noted that. It's not a trait associated with the female.


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Peri
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posted January 30, 2009 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
* Are you easily overwhelmed by such things as bright lights, strong smells, coarse fabrics, or sirens nearby?
* Do you get rattled when you have a lot to do in a short amount of time?
* Do you make a point of avoiding violent movies and TV shows?
* Do you need to withdraw during busy days, into bed or a darkened room or some other place where you can have privacy and relief from the situation?
* Do you make it a high priority to arrange your life to avoid upsetting or overwhelming situations?
* Do you notice or enjoy delicate or fine scents, tastes, sounds, or works of art?
* Do you have a rich and complex inner life?
* When you were a child, did your parents or teachers see you as sensitive or shy?

well, YES to all the above; I am abnormally sensitive to loud sounds and noises, that's why I hate phones and especially cell phones cozz you just have to have it with you everywhere! oh and I also hate radio... argh... when I am stressed bright lights can give me a very annoying headache but I think most people are like that? or probably not...I think not...not at my work..lol...I always ask people to speak a bit softer cozz my ears hurt but some of them just find it rude

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posted January 30, 2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFairy     Edit/Delete Message
I can say yes to a lot of those questions as well.

Peri,
I hate to hear the phone ring, the noise part of it is aggrivating to me, but it's also who is on the other end of it. What do they need from me. I have a hard time when people talk loudly, the only time I can tolerate it is when i'm with my family. crowds of noise and yelling gets to me. I end up going into my own little world to get away from it. LOL

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Peri
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posted January 30, 2009 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
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but it's also who is on the other end of it. What do they need from me.

haha, the same here

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 30, 2009 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** I can say yes to a lot of those questions as well.**
yeah me too .. for the most part .. not all
might elaborate later ..
too stuffed with food at the moment ..
got into a conversation with the gal at the chinese takeaway ..
subject 'goji berries :-)) .. she showed me hers .. 'n i promised to show her mine ..
and then she gave me some type of dried dates .. said they were good for the circulation ..
i'm thinking she's a capricorn influenced person somehow ..
( postman called btw .. cheers :-)

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