posted February 03, 2009 07:54 AM           

I have natally Venus exactly quindecile Eros and Vertex, and Sun and Mercury are quindecile my SN, which definitely makes sense to me (obsessing over past lives and constantly talking about it?).

posted February 04, 2009 09:02 AM           

Also,

Peri,

I guess there would be a difference between an aspect, making a connection, and the connected planets. So I do not see a reason why Pluto can`t be signifying an obsession (or intensity), if in touch with other planets AND and aspect giving the connection of two planets a slightly intense or even compulsive touch, like the trine will connect those harmoniously.

Of course I still don`t know if that quindecile has any effect at all.

My own chart probably is not such a good example,as I have that Venus quindecile Eros / Vertex as well as Venus square Pluto within 3°.

posted February 04, 2009 01:54 PM           

We have to calculate the quindecile by hand (it`s 15° subtracted / added to an opposition).

Vesta-sister,

posted February 04, 2009 03:55 PM           

The way to find quindecile is look at opposing point 180 tne add or subtract 15 degrees. giving an orb of 2 degrees.

It is the 24th harmonic aspect

The quindecile is compulsion, obsession.

Examples :

Oprah Winfrey - pluto in Leo ( empowerment and disempowerment) Quindecile her sun in aquarius ( recognition sought through doing something significant, unusual, and diffrent ) This gave her the obsessive - complusive push needed to put herself out for all the world to see. It also gave her a powerhouse of energy and determination to stay the course.

John Lennon - His Uranus in Tarus
( disruption of the status quo with innovative ideas through tangible means) Quindecile his Mercury in scorpio( communication of transformative ideas) His music and ideas were groundbreaking There may still be some dispute of his methods for getting his point across, But his success in doing so can not be disputed. He carried a message that was a signifigant source in ending the war.

In synastry - There may be indication of obsessive, compulsive inclinations in that relationship.

However, If only one person has planets quindecile the obsession, compulsion may be one sided.

Prince charles and Camilla Bowles

posted February 04, 2009 04:35 PM         

Quindeciles can be part of harmonic aspect configurations like quincunxes are part of harmonic aspect like yods.

For example Mercury and Venus are in semisextile and Pluto is quindecile Mercury and Venus to form a 24th harmonic isoscles triangle. Remember that a semisextile which is a 12th harmonic aspect is also a 24th harmonic aspect. Semisextile is 1/12, but also 2/24

It's similar with a yod in that 2 planets in sextile(1/6 also 2/12) are quincunx 5/12 by a 3rd planet to form a 12th harmonic isosceles triangle.

Planets can't aspect each other to form harmonic aspect patterns unless all aspects are in the same harmonic.

I had asked Noel Tyl about the configuration of the quindeciles and semisextile. He responded "it means nothing..it's just a midpoint picture" To me, that didn't tell me anything. I believe that all harmonics have meaning, especially if they form harmonic aspect triangles,quadrilaterals,and other multiple sided geometrical patterns. T-square,Grand Cross,Minor Grand Trines,Yods are midpoint pictures too,but their harmonics have meaning. I discovered that golden section aspects form triangles and have corresponding midpoint pictures too.

I once posted in Noel Tyl's forum that I don't regularly look at quindeciles.
He responds to me that the importance of quindeciles shouldn't be questioned. I thought to myself "Damn...who made you God"

I am not the only person that disagrees with Tyl's view about the quindecile

Robert P. Blaschke does too.

He wrote in his book
ASTROLOGY OF LIFE VOLUME II: SABIAN ASPECT ORBS page 181

"By association with the twelfth harmonic inconjunct family of aspects, planets with these angular separations relate to either mystical or traumatic experiences occurring during childhood that open up centers of consciousness contributing to creative mastery,inspired by either the angelic kingdoms or the demons residing in the lower astral plane."

"From his research,the astrologer Noel Tyl proposed the 165 degree aspect (which I recommend to my readers be named contraquindecile) to be one of disruption,separation,upheaval,and obsession. One would think that these experiences could already be attributed to Uranus or Pluto influences in the birth chart. In his supporting cases, such as in the horoscope of Marilyn Monroe, there is a Mercury-Pluto parallel, a Sun quintile Uranus, and a Moon novile Uranus that could also be attributed to what Tyl correlates to the influence of the 165 degree aspects."

"In my view, based on Sabian symbolism for these aspects, waxing an waning quindeciles (15 or 345), are evidence of happy and secure childhood mystical experiences during play,solitude or contact with Neptune that lead to pronounced inner peace or creative inspiration. The waxing and waning contraquindeciles (165 or 195 degrees), are evidence of frightful agitation in the unconscious, such as borderline personality or post-traumatic stress disorders, resulting from childhood physical,verbal and/or sexual abuse that may have somewhat crippled the functionality of the adult behaviors,yet also opened the consciousness to altered states of spiritually-inspired genius or creative prowess."

Not only does he disagree with Noel Tyl's view of what the 165 degree is about,he even disagrees with Noel Tyl's name for that aspect. He also uses no more than 1 degree orb for both the quindecile(15 degrees) and contraquindecile (165 degrees).

I just want reiterate that both astrologers have their different views. I don't take either astrologer's word for gospel, but I agree more with Robert Blachske. If people agree more with Noel Tyl's view, I don't believe that there is anything wrong with that. There are so many different views about many things in Astrology. There is much diversity in Astrology.

Raymond