posted February 16, 2009 05:59 AM         

Do people you know with Sun and Mercury conjuncts lack objectivity?

The first person I can think of with this placement is my mother. Er, yes, she has Sun/Mercury Conjunct.

However, Pluto is joined in on the action so this changes the whole picture. She is very insightful, has a good understanding of other people, has excellent instincts. But objective, no, sorry, this is not a word I would use to describe her mental outlook or her communication.

Self-absorbed was another word used, not so sure this is the case. The overall chart would explain this I am sure, as would the free will factor.

Like everything, I think it can be used to its best or not so well. So not everyone is going to identify as strongly with the description suggested for this aspect.

But, anyone who says they ARE objective and rational, well, we only have your word for it, don't we?

posted February 16, 2009 06:01 AM           

I`m not objective, but I am aware of it and try to come as close as possible.

posted February 16, 2009 07:40 AM         

My Sun and Merc are both in Gemini which is ruled by Mercury, the mental planet. So being objective comes easily to me. I very very very rarely react out of emotion or react to a situation emotionally. I've always observed and analyzed situations for what they were and reacted in what I thought was a rational or logical manner. I think my Virgo Asc (ruled by Merc) also plays a role in it. You have to think about it. I think our Asc plays a part in all new situations.

I know a few non-objective people and most of them don't have Sun-Merc conjuncts. But this is sometimes where astrology and psychology intertwine. I know I may get bashed for this but please understand I'm not being chauvanistic when I say this. But in my observations, most men I know are objective, a LOT more so then women.

One of my best friends is an Taurus sun but has an Aries Merc and Venus. That Aries abruptness sometimes gives him the flavor of being non-objective but when you listen to what he says, he is being objective.

There is another brother in my Masonic Lodge who is an Aries Sun and he also seems very subjective but when you separate the emotion he shows from the message he gives, you see that he does come from an objective standpoint.

Even my personality type is an ENTJ.

*Dodges blue moon's friendly jab*

posted February 16, 2009 09:01 AM         

Got Gemini, I've met some hysterical women, but on the other end of the spectrum I've met a lot more men who would like so much to think of themselves as objective because they sooooo stubbornly believe that any display of emotion isn't rational or objectiveness....which just isn't true.

For the record, I know women who can be a lot more level-headed than men.
And I know a fair amount of extremely emotional and non-objective Mercury conjunct Sun people, as well as a few who are objective. It's been a mixed bag.

posted February 16, 2009 09:35 AM         

I agree with those who problematize the idea of "objectivity"--I think it's less about objectivity, and more about seeing things in a way that isn't completely self-centered.

Intellectually, I put a lot of conscious, conscientious effort into understanding things in a broad, deep, truthful way (8th house Sun, Sun-Uranus sextile.)

posted February 16, 2009 09:41 AM           

"No such thing as objective. All who say they are, are subjectively objective .... But then it's all subjective, wouldn't you say?"

posted February 16, 2009 10:26 AM         

Or course one can be objective... anything FACTUAL is objective.

posted February 16, 2009 11:12 AM           

would you agree that absolute objectivity is not possible, since we are all part of the system, of which we evaluate parts?

What I mean is that as we are born into this world and come in contact with other people, our perception is being shaped. And the very existence of something like "perception" makes it impossible to be absolutely objective, because our perception is coloured / shaped by our experiences, values etc.
Even if we aren`t emotionally involved in a situation, we can`t put down the glasses through which we look at that world (our perception).

posted February 16, 2009 11:30 AM         

There are plenty of objective people in the world, unless you now wanna disagree with Einstein's theory of relativity and every scientific fact lol

posted February 16, 2009 12:43 PM           

From my own experience I'm far from objective, and I have Sun conjunct Mercury in Leo with a 3 degree orb in the 9th house. However I'm not such an subjective person that I only think of my point of view, which is a problem when someone lacks objectivity.

posted February 16, 2009 05:57 PM         

I do know a double Taurus with Sun conjunct Moon, and Sun conjunct Mercury (also in Taurus). Bless him, he tries to be objective, and I think he can be to an extent (unless he's got an idea set in his mind - then, forget it LOL) . All three planets fall into the 11th house - I'm wondering if this helps him a bit. For some reason the 11th house seems like it would loosen some of that Taurean hold, maybe.