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Topic: Dating losers in your generation
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blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 144
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 03:07 AM
 
This has been touched upon in different threads, like in the recent Venus/Neptune discussion. So I thought I should share this astro-anecdote:- quote:
I have venus square neptune in my own chart, so all the guys I ever dated anywhere around my own age had their neptunes squaring my venus. I got lied to and cheated a lot. A whole lot. I never understood why the books always said that people with the venus neptune square in their chart tended to be insidious and unfaithful in relationships, when I just seemed to attract these people who did this to me. Then I dated an older man, my first experience without someone's neptune aspecting my venus-finally! As luck would have it, His venus was squaring My neptune. For some reason I found myself acting very out of character. I had an overwhelming instinct to be very secretive with him and "hide" myself from him in very manipulative and yes- decietful ways. I could'nt understand it.It just "seemed" to work out that I still had people in my life at the time he did'nt know about and I felt I had to lie to him about. But I normally would have never acted in that way.Way out of character for me.He also was very infatuated with me and my looks, almost seduced. It was romantic, but insidious and otherworldly. Like strange, beautiful music.
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koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 72
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 03:18 AM
I hope a 13* orb eliminates this situation!! LOL!!IP: Logged |
redstar
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posted February 17, 2009 03:52 AM
Great insight-just goes to show that we truly do act out different aspects of our planetary make-up depending on who triggers what in us,
including the generational planets.I feel for all the mars-saturn and mars-pluto square individuals out there. IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted February 17, 2009 03:13 PM
can someone Please explain to me re lableing a guy a "loser" means ..
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so i googled searched " a guy is a loser when " ..
no wiser ..
seems like all around derogatory finger-pointing judgemental term ..
no doubt invented by a narcissistic individual ..
something to use when gossiping about other people ..IP: Logged |
blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 144
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 03:54 PM
In general, or in the context of the article? In the context of the article it is someone who lies and cheats on the individual concerned. A lot. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 04:02 PM
It can be pretty bad from Neptune's perspective too. In my experience as the Neptune person, venus can have all these nice fluffy ideas about Neptune that may not be true or realistic and once venus figures that out, Neptune is suddenly the most evil person to walk the earth. That's why I never want any guy's venus squaring/opposing/conjuncting my Neptune ever again..LOL. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 04:36 PM
That's one of the things I found well-written about the article. It's really considered from both perspectives. Failing to read it properly may result in spouting off about labelling men losers, but that's not my problem. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 04:49 PM
'Loser' is kind of subjective anyways. To the really shallow person, its the person who isn't exactly the way they want him/her to be. To [most] other people, its a truly bad person like in the context of this article.IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted February 17, 2009 04:54 PM
**In the context of the article it is someone who lies and cheats on the individual concerned. A lot**
ok .. cheers** In general**
well in general .. but as used by women when describing a guy ..
i mean i can understand a 'loser' as opposed to a 'winner' ..
but does it mean a guy who is emotionaly and financialy undesirable ??
it seems to imply a competition of some nature ..
i.e. the guys competing for a woman .. sorry it's just not a term i get to hear much ..
'xcept here in terms of describing men .. 'loser' as in he has emotional problems ? ..
or 'loser' as in .. he's not worth dating ( for whatever reason )
or .. a 'winner' being mr.ideal .. it just seems all so encompassing derogatory ..
and it's use seems to imply the user considers themselves to be someone special to be "won" IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted February 17, 2009 04:58 PM
**To [most] other people, its a truly bad person like in the context of this article.**
ok thanx ..
yep didn't go link up to the full article ..
so a "guy who lies and cheats" .. ok ..
cheers for that .. it makes it clear ..
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** Failing to read it properly may result in spouting off about labelling men losers,**
reading thru the lot .. doesn't explain it either ..
yeah fine if one is familiar with the term from one's peers ..
if not .. it's still a guessing game ..IP: Logged |
blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 144
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 05:22 PM
Are you British? If so that explains it. Paste over losers and put in wankers instead. It will make more sense. But moving on from that to the point, whilst we can't ignore that there are abusive and unpleasant people walking about who will manipulate the chance to take advantage of others, things aren't always that simple. IP: Logged |
blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 144
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 05:29 PM
What Dulce said. What we are talking about is someone, not necessarily male, who messes you about, treats you badly, wastes your time. Decieves you and makes you feel like a pile of shite. Nothing to do with money or social status. Not a personal issue of mine either, it just keeps arising as a thread topic and this article was an interesting angle.
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Happy Dragon
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posted February 17, 2009 05:30 PM
**Are you British?**
only via passport .. i.e. my folks were brits ..** Paste over losers and put in wankers instead. It will make more sense. **
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blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 144
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 05:37 PM
Well it would be the word I would generally use. Think of something else as a word you would use for a man who took advantage of your sister and made her cry. IP: Logged |
cristiname
Knowflake Posts: 11
From: Earth. Welcome!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 05:40 PM
What the heck does it mean 'it was out of character for me'? What the heck does it mean 'I normally would have never acted in that way"?!?that WAS normal. that WAS her doing THOSE things.
and THIS is it - the 'lie' of the square. "it wasn't me. I'm much better than that". No, you're not. if you're doing it, it is you. and obviously, within your "character". on the same line is those guys were losers; not "I keep chosing losers; what's wrong with me?" Venus is what one attracts/values, one's relationships. Guess having it squared by Neptune is a complete denial about what one really is into. IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted February 17, 2009 06:45 PM
quote:
What the heck does it mean 'it was out of character for me'? What the heck does it mean 'I normally would have never acted in that way"?!?
I think she meant that she didn't behave like she normally does. This doesn't mean that this unusual behavior is not a part of her---it certainly is. It just means these guys brought out a different side of her. IP: Logged |
afflictedvenus
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posted February 17, 2009 06:56 PM
we are all mirrors of each other.. i think what is trying to be said is that when we don't own a part of our chart we project it onto others and they act it out for us... but then because we don't own it we think its them not us.
sometimes we'll reject our inner workings when it goes against our values or principles,
maybe there is a constructive way to work with venus square neptune?
I don't think squares are a major blockage.. they can present obstacles that need to be overcome but they are only aspects !!!
I believe its about learning to value the signs or planets involved on an individual basis and then you can find a way for them to work together
I'm no pollyanna but not a defeatist either
there will be common ground for venus and neptune but because it's a recurring scenario it would suggest that one of them is being ignored.IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
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posted February 17, 2009 07:37 PM
I hate it when everybody from my generation puts neptune in my 7th house. It really stinks. IP: Logged |
leapinglemur14
Knowflake Posts: 49
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 07:53 PM
I think I'm a magnet for themIP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
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posted February 17, 2009 07:56 PM
a magnet for neptune in th 7th? IP: Logged |
leapinglemur14
Knowflake Posts: 49
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 08:00 PM
for losers in my generation...actually i thinkn all losersIP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 7
From: The Asylum, NC
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 08:54 PM
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What the heck does it mean 'it was out of character for me'? What the heck does it mean 'I normally would have never acted in that way"?!?
Having been neptune before, I kind of understand why she did it. Its like I said in my earlier post, he probably over-idealized her. Only in her case, she tried to live up to that so she wouldn't seriously disappoint him.
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Lara
Knowflake Posts: 420
From: aspideronmars
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 09:15 PM
I married a total loser with neptune conjunct AC and now i'm thankfully "loser immune"  IP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 72
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2009 11:37 PM
There is something about Neptune which is enigmatic. It's a higher octave of Love and yet it is clouded with mystery and disillusionment.Neptune seems to slip through ones fingers without leaving any solid evidence. To look at aspects with Neptune, especially with Venus, is like looking through a smoke-screen and wondering if the images on the other side are actually real. An interesting topic to gain viewpoints. I found reading the link about people's experience with Neptune to be interesting, provocative and a good start to pin down Neptunian points, ie, is Venus really the one to be attracted to Neptune's frequency? Btw, I guess the right size knickers analogy is better to apply in orb synastry, then to sssttrrreettccchhhhh an orb out to fit our personalised ideal. Thanks for pointing that out, BM  IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted February 18, 2009 12:38 AM
This is interesting. I agree with cristiname that it's a bit odd with the term 'out of character' - I mean, it just reeks of the term 'self-fulfilling prophecy' in some weird way for me. I know that maybe squares or hard aspects are something which are not easy to work with, but when do we get to take responsibility for our actions and work THROUGH the aspect?
If we're attracting a certain type of person over and over, and over again, don't we question what part of ourselves we're not facing, that maybe we're attracting a specific person to play out whatever programmed script we've got? IP: Logged |
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