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snohawk1
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posted February 27, 2009 10:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message
This has probably been explained a billion times here, but alas, this time "I" have become interested, and so now "I" shall ask: How does retrograde influence personality and that, AND.. what is the objective definition of what makes a planet "retrograde"?

I think my mom has said it is when a planet rotates backward, but that doesn't sound to credible. Earth doesn't rotate backward does it? it's consistent enough to have clocks and have any second equal any other, right?.

And the meaning? It couldn't mean so bluntly the opposite of what the sign assumes, can it? Because it's still in that sign. Perhaps it is "rebelling" against going through that sign? Thus making it sort of "of that race" but against customs?

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Sun: Pisces
Moon: Libra
Rising: Scorpio

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Libralove09
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posted February 27, 2009 10:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message
from what i am aware of, it means that the planet at the time was orbiting or rotating in the other direction, or backwards, or something like that.

there are interpretations of retro planets, i made a topic asking the same question once, it might be about 5 or so pages back. it contained some good links anyway to descriptions.

to know which if any of your planets are retro, they will have a "r" next to them on your natal chart planet list at the bottom. or next to the planet symbol on the actual natal chart. its a small "r".

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snohawk1
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posted February 27, 2009 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message

"said it is when a planet rotates backward, but that doesn't sound to credible. Earth doesn't rotate backward does it? it's consistent enough to have clocks and have any second equal any other, right?."

'' '' '' Yeah, it doesn't seem to likely to me.

Yeah, I have Mercury retrograde in Pisces, Jupiter retrograde in Libra, and Pluto retrograde in Scorpio.

Anyway, thatnks for the direction.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 27, 2009 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I've read that retrograde, which is sometimes written as Rx, is 'restrained expression' of a planet's energies.

Planets don't go backward - they just appear that way during specific times, hence the expression. I'm pretty sure it's that they slow down or stop spinning as quickly ...or something. But they certainly don't actually go 'backwards'.

I've got Jupiter Rx too - 10th house, conj Midheaven. So the expansion I do get in this case isn't necessarily 'outward' but in the spiritual sense (sucks for me )

But I'm still trying to grab the gist of the retro thing myself to make an actual, solid example.

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posted February 27, 2009 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Here are a couple of articles on Rx planets, what they mean, etc...:
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.astrologyetal.com/retrogrades.htm
http://www.astralis.it/saturno.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrograde-planets-and-karma

I'll be reading these too

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Dulce Luna
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posted February 27, 2009 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

So the expansion I do get in this case isn't necessarily 'outward' but in the spiritual sense (sucks for me )

Yeah, when a planet is retrograde it isn't very good at 'outwardly' expressing it self. People with alot of retrograde planets in their chart are said to be very introspective which can be good.

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snohawk1
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posted February 27, 2009 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Interesting. Then perhaps this portrays my not being understood: everything I have in retrograde, I have something else conjunct or at least in the same sign. Mercury:conjSun Jupiter:conjMoon Pluto:haveAsc.insamesign

My theory is that: I don't express my retrograde planets so much, and consequently, people notice the non-retrograde stuff in the same sign instead, and fail to conceive whatever I may be talking about.

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snohawk1
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posted February 27, 2009 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the links, Virgo!

I couldn't find LibraLove's thread, so these'll help.

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cheshirekat
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posted February 27, 2009 10:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Be glad you don't have five Rx planets, seriously made me want to kill myself one time..

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snohawk1
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posted February 27, 2009 10:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"Mercury Retrograde
* reconsiders before speaking
* lots of inner conversation and thoughts
* expresses self better in writing
* feels misunderstood"

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Astra
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posted February 28, 2009 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
cheshirekat,

I have 5 retrograde planets, so I feel your pain. I have two retrograde planets in the 10th house, which has been causing way too many delays in my professional life.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 28, 2009 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Wow. I feel for you guys. It can't be easy to have so many Rx planets

I'm sure there's some saving grace to it, though. Maybe a more spiritual side, etc.
I shouldn't say it's a curse to have Jupiter Rx. I was reading on one of the articles that it says my spiritual beliefs are a bit different from my family's, and this is true. But I've also been lucky, because my family's fairly open minded with stuff like that...so maybe this is also a Jupiter thing? I don't know.

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posted February 28, 2009 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Astra, is your career life more spiritually oriented? What's on your Midheaven, out of curiosity?

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lalalinda
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posted February 28, 2009 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
When a planet goes Rx it slows down and appears to be going in reverse
it's not

picture yourself on a slow train
with another train beside you going at regular speed

same difference

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snohawk1
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posted February 28, 2009 01:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message
But earth doesn't even slow down, what's with that? All the years are the same lenth (leap year doesn't count).

Just looked at my chart and noticed I have retrograde Chiron also. I probably didn't notice this b4, since it's a lesser/new planet I don't understand (and probably wont understand, since it's retrograde).

I had thought I was misunderstood/unappreciated all that self pity blah blah blah because of the grand cross.

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posted February 28, 2009 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
snohawk ~

The train metaphor is a good one. Picture yourself on the fast-moving train. That train comes up on a slow-moving train, and when you in your window-seat see the slower-moving train, doesn't it seem to be moving backwards from your perspective as you pass it?? Now picture those two trains going around in a circle. The fast-moving train passes the slow-moving train, goes around the track and then, ahead in the distance, there's the slow-moving train again. The fast moving train reaches and comes even with the slow-moving train -- that's "stationing," the beginning of retrograde.

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posted February 28, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyah     Edit/Delete Message
Planets in retrograde is when we on Earth pass by a planet that moves slower than us.
All the planets circle around the Sun counterclockwise, but they all move at different speed.

Think of it as traffic! We're sitting in the Earth-car and since we move faster than the Mars-car we will regularly overtake and pass by them.

So, in the moment when we are right beside Mars it will APPEAR to us that Mars is stopping. And when we pass by them - just like you do in traffic - it will LOOK like Mars is actually moving backwards for a while --> Mars going retrograde.

EDIT: oh Azalaksh! you beat me with your train example with one minute!

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posted February 28, 2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
It's rotation stays the same, and the revolution stays the same but from Earth the planets appear to be moving backwards across the sky because we are all revolving around the Sun. The retograde cycles of the planets is what gave it their name (planet means "wanderer"). Stars never go retrograde.

So this means retrograde planets sort of become "introspective" if you will. It's kind of a hard concept to grasp, I'm not even sure if I get it (I have natal Mercury Rx).

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snohawk1
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posted February 28, 2009 10:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Yes of course I can imagine two things passing, one going faster than the other, makes the other one behind it look like it's going backwards, All you needed to do was clarify that the planets move at different speeds.

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posted February 28, 2009 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
There's a short animation, and info on each planet, here:
http://www.scottso.net/examples_encsol.htm

Planets are at different distances from the Sun, so the Outer planets take a lot longer to go around once than the Inner planets since they have much further to travel.

The length of one orbit averages:

Mercury - 84 days / 0.4 AU from the Sun
Venus - 225 days / 0.7 AU
Earth - 365.25 days / 1.0 AU
Mars - 687 days / 1.5 AU
Jupiter - 12 years / 5.2 AU
Saturn - 28 years / 9.5 AU
Chiron - 52 years / 12 AU
Uranus - 84 years / 19.6 AU
Neptune - 165 years / 30 AU
Pluto - 248 years / 39 AU

"AU" means Astronomical Unit, and is the distance from the Sun to the Earth.

Retrograde Planets

From early schooling, we know the planets in our solar system revolve in orbit around the Sun. In astrology, all of these orbits are considered from our place here on Earth. As individuals, our place here on Earth is our place of birth. Thus, as the Earth revolves around the Sun, our view of the other planets in the solar system can become somewhat skewed and distorted. Because the other planets are moving at different speeds, there will be times when it will appear from Earth that a planet is not moving at all, and at times that a planet is actually moving backwards when viewed against the backdrop of a fixed star. In such periods, the planet is said to be in retrograde motion.

On some charts, and in the ephemeris (an almanac of the daily planetary positions), planets which are in retrograde are denoted by a tiny R after the degree and minute designation. While older astrology books may suggest that retrograde planets in the birth chart are debilitated in some way, modern literature has mostly dropped this. At most, a suggestion that a retrograde planet may denote delayed development of factors relating to that planet. Many astrologers barely mention the retrograde status of a planet in the natal chart.

Modern astrologers do pay attention to retrograde planets in their transit. Again, the tendency is to view periods of retrograde as being negative. The most popular planet to watch is Mercury. When Mercury goes retrograde, astrologers believe that many of the everyday affairs ruled by Mercury are disrupted. When Mercury is retrograde, mental mistakes abound. Travel plans are often messed up. Misunderstanding occur. Diehard believers will refrain from making any sort of contract when Mercury is retrograde.

Perhaps the greatest impact of retrograde planets can be felt when the outer planets turn retrograde while forming a transit aspect to one of your natal planets. If, for example, transiting Neptune has formed a conjunction with your natal Sun position, the interpretation might be:

"T Neptune conjunct N Sun on the positive side tends to increase your sensitivity and compassion for others. You may be much more inclined to set aside your own ego and lend a helping hand to those in need of your assistance. Neptune causes the ego drive of the Sun to diminish. It is from this aspect of the contact that the negative influence of the conjunction emerges. A common reaction to this transit is fatigue and an attitude of being defeated. You are likely to feel disappointed or especially sorry for yourself, as well as for others. This is not a good aspect for anyone who has a problem with drinking or drugs. The body is extremely sensitive to external influences and less able to resist strain of any type. Another result of this transit is that you may be inclined to deceive others, as if your ego energy is trying to make you appear as something other than what you really are. You are likely to be unusually idealistic under this transit. It's necessary to insure that these ideals are rooted in reality and are not merely a device for escaping it."

Now if Neptune were to go slow to a stop and start to slowly travel in reverse for a while, this aspect might stay in orb for a number of months. The potential for a negative impact would be significant. If you were predisposed to a drinking or drug problem, this lengthy transit aspect could be devastating. At a minimum, you would feel very tired and somewhat confused as to why.

Thus, some of our longest runs of good luck and of bad luck can be traced to an outer planet in transit forming aspects to planets in the natal map.

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It's possible for you to have five "hits" to a natal planet by a transiting planet that turns retrograde -- someone with a planet between 00:41 - 01:08 degrees Cap is having that right now with Pluto, ie:

Jan 2008, Pluto at 00:00 Cap, traveling direct
Apr 2008, Pluto at 01:09 Cap, goes rx
Sep 2008, Pluto at 28:30 Sag, goes direct
Apr 2009, Pluto at 03:16 Cap, goes rx
Sep 2009, Pluto at 00:40 Cap, goes direct

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posted March 01, 2009 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
A good page on the Solar System:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/

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Astra
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posted March 02, 2009 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
MyVirgoMask,

I work in the medical field and hope to become a doctor someday, so I'm not doing anything spiritual per se, but I care a ton about people.

Both my Saturn and Pluto are in Scorpio in the tenth house with my midheaven on the libra/scorpio cusp. Both planets are retrograde and Saturn rules my ascendant, which really sucks.

I'm also kind of screwed that Jupiter, planet of luck is also retrograde.

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