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Mysticr
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posted March 24, 2009 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticr     Edit/Delete Message
This may seem like a silly question but can one planet positively and negatively aspect another planet at the same time? The reason I ask is because when I looked at my chart, transiting Jupiter looks like it's trining my venus/mars conjunction at the same time as it's squaring it. I could be wrong.

My chart: http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=6h7fileERFtHp-u1234348730

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Miss Mystic

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Azalaksh
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posted March 24, 2009 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Miss Mystic ~

We recommend that you do not post the link into your astro.com account as people can easily edit your information. Click on the chart image and it opens into a new un-editable window. Also, astro.com charts expire after a certain amount of time (usually 24 hours) so it's best to upload to a free webhost and then use the [img][/img] tags to display it.

To answer your question: No, Jupiter in Leo is not squaring your Venus/Mars in Scorpio. It's true that Leo/Scorpio as signs are square, but Jupiter is in early Leo and Venus/Mars are in late Scorp. Jupiter has a very loose square to Neptune (one I probably wouldn't count, and you can reduce the orbs before you make your chart display -- I use 75%). There are little blue tick-marks that show what degree planets are at, and the aspect lines are drawn/connected to these tick-marks. The darker blue tick-mark that shows Venus/Mars conjunct has only two aspect lines connecting it to other planets (I don't count the way-wide green-dotted semi-sextile, although that may be connecting Neptune and Uranus, it's hard to tell) -- the red conjunction to Uranus and the black sesquiquadrate to your Moon.

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Glaucus
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posted March 24, 2009 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely


Magi Society calls that a mystic triangle. I don't know why they call it that.

It is a 12th harmonic triangle. 12th harmonic as in division of 12 as well as 30 degree series aspects.


If 1st planet is trine(120 degree angle) 2nd and square (90 degree angle) 3rd planet at the same time, that means that the 2 planets that are being aspected by the 1st planet are in a 12th harmonic(30 degree series) aspect to each other.


Example

My Moon in 3'11 Pisces is trine Sun in 5'20 Scorpio and square retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini. I have Moon square Saturn.


A planet that aspects an aspect is very significant in Astrology because it forms a geometrical triangle. Grand Trine,Minor Grand Trine,and Yod are examples of 12th harmonic (30 degree series) triangles formed by 3 planets aspecting each other.

if there is more than one planet aspecting an aspect, then it is even more significant.

synastry aspects being transited by a planet(s) is significant, and it is called a shared experience transit.

natal planets can be aspected by secondary progression,minor progression,tertiary progression,synastry planet(s), and that aspect can be aspected by planet(s)


aspects are geometrical angular relationships between two points of reference A and B. A point aspecting 2 points in reference can be written C = A/B.
Midpoint configurations are based on 3 points aspecting each other.


If you want to learn about astrology, you will have to learn about aspects. They are pretty much the "skeletal structure" of charts.

Modern Western Astrology is very geometrical. Cosmobiology is even more geometrical

I also agree that you don't have that transit going on right now. The orb is too wide.


I also don't believe in positive and negative aspects. All aspects can be positive and negative. It depends on what the individual does with the aspects. Free will is the ultimate factor.

Cosmobiologists use only the hard aspects(conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate)
because they are event-oriented aspects. They don't use the soft aspects(trine,sextile) which they believe to only be psychological condition aspects.


Raymond


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Glaucus
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posted March 24, 2009 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I misunderstood your question.

The answer is a relative answer

There are some astrologers that use whole sign aspects. Classical and Vedic astrologers use whole sign aspects.


Conjunction,Opposition,Trine,Square,Sextile are known as the Ptolemaic Aspects. They are also referred to as the Major Aspects. Ptolemy used aspects by sign. He didn't use aspects by geometrical angle like most Western Astrologers do. Modern Western Astrology is geometrical based with it's use of geometrical angular relationships as well as considering geometrical aspect patterns like grand trines,minor grand trines,kites,yods,boomerangs,mystic rectangles,etc.


Classical astrologers would tell you that transiting Jupiter is squaring your Venus-Mars in Scorpio by sign.

Modern Western astrologers would tell you that transiting Jupiter is not aspecting your Venus-Mars in Scorpio because the orb is too wide.

Raymond

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Mysticr
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posted March 24, 2009 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticr     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks!

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