posted April 06, 2009 12:33 PM           

i don't really understand the importance of them and /or what they really mean in a chart

mine is

jup - sat- ur (gem - pisces - virgo)
jup - sat - pl (gem -pisces - virgo)

his is

sun - jup - ur (sag -pisces - virgo)
sun - jup - pl (sag - pisces - virgo)

are they important? the only thing i could find googling was something about the saturn point uhm, issues of controlling parent, type of thing.

posted April 06, 2009 04:23 PM         

The lines of the 3 planets connected form an equilateral triangle meaning that all 3 sides of the triangle are the same size.

A t-square is 2 planets are in opposition,and they are in square by a 3rd planet

the 2 planets in opposition (180 degrees) are at odds with each other and they are in a balancing act, they can go back and forth in a teeter totter type way, but they also have to do with relating with others. the opposition corresponds with the Libra...they are in external conflict with each other

the 3rd planet is square (90 degrees) that opposition, so the 3rd planet is in friction with the 2 other planets. The 3rd planet is under great stress from the planets in opposition. The 3rd planet is in internal conflict with each other. The waxing square corresponds with Cancer,and the waning square corresponds with Capricorn. The 3rd planet is the apex of the t-square.

the opposition,the waxing square,and the waning square correspond with 3 of the cardinal signs of the zodiac. The cardinal signs have to do with action and initiation. That's how oppositions and squares are. They involve action and initiation. That's why cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers consider them event-oriented aspects along with the conjunction that corresponds with Aries which is a cardinal sign.

Therefore, the t-square is a configuration of action and initiation. It's full of energy and can push people to act and do things. T-squares are common in successful people.

A t-square is considered a 4th harmonic triangle. Opposition (2/4 of circle) and Square (1/4-waxing,3/4 - waning) are 4th harmonic aspects.

when t-squares are close in aspect, they have a corresponding midpoint pictures. The 3rd planet (the apex) is in opposition to the midpoint of the first 2 planets.

I can give you interpretations from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook in regards to 3 planetary configurations

these are just possible manifestations of these aspects. Not all nor most will apply.

Jupiter = Saturn/Uranus
JU.SA.UR.
+ restrains impulsiveness. makes decisions cautiously. prone to quick departures. pragmatic.
Unexpected enduring luck. Stimulus to long-term success. Successful event after departure. Future beneficial stabilization. Event with good outcome. Surprising maturity. Surprise about financial holdings. Surprise about a building. Conditional success with technology.
- emotionally repressed. decides too late. hypertense. self-willed. spasmodic. easily upset over financial matters. creates legal problems. contrary.
Surprise about a separation from good fortune. Sudden financial difficulties. Tensions in relation to financial limitations. Unexpected legal problems.

Jupiter = Saturn/Pluto
JU.SA.PL.
+ steadfast. persistent. able to develop under specified conditions. pragmatic.
Development of lasting happiness. Maturation process. Fortunate changes due to a separation or departure. Increasing satisfaction after maturity [or delays]. Transformation after a change of residence.
- stubborn. prejudiced. contrary. vacillates inwardly. fickle. poor at handling money. creates legal problems. ambivalent.
Eventual separation from good fortune. Increasing problems due to money. Alternation between success and failure. Turning point in or due to legal problems.

Sun = Jupiter/Uranus
SU.JU.UR.
+ keenly perceptive. intuitive. lively. brisk. future-oriented. resourceful. inventive. fair. quick to size up situations. original. interested in the unusual. unpredictable. eccentric. reformist. technically oriented. has rhythm. progressive.
Sudden good luck with or due to the husband. Sudden or unexpected benefits or income. Beneficial event with a person. Enjoyable events. Pleasant surprises. Unexpected justice. Surprise over the wealth of a man. Successful technician. Eventful day. Years of successful events. Survival instinct.
- impulsive. self-willed. easily upset. unsettled. rebellious.
Increasing physical tension or stress.

Sun = Jupiter/Pluto
SU.JU.PL.
+ versatile. skilled at developing. capable of transforming. happy. lucky. positive in outlook. optimistic. likes change and diversity. just. fair. experienced at handling money. spontaneous.
Beneficial developments in relation to a man. Favorable change of physical conditions. Good luck due to readjustments. Profitable development. Increasing wealth. Pleasant transformation. To develop justice. Good physical development. Recovery. Healing. Good nutrient absorption. Days of favorable development. Years of financial changes.
- overly materialistic. careless. not always trustworthy. unsettled. vacillating. [sometimes financially exploitive.]
Excess weight.

with your t-squares being mutable, they have to do with learning and teaching as well as being changeable,adaptable,and versatile. They can be very restless.

I will give you more information on t-squares later from DYNAMICS OF ASPECT ANALYSIS by Bil Tierney.

I have t-squares myself Moon in Pisces square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius.

Raymond

posted April 06, 2009 06:02 PM         

It's an aspect of riding through many storms together.

posted April 06, 2009 07:55 PM         

but with awareness i think you can work with it very well. the queen of england is a great example of the grand cross and ONE way that stability can manifest. and with mutable signs it should be pretty workable.

how cool that you seem to have this with both son and partner! as long as the love is there, the boxed-in quality is probably a great thing, like blue moon's.

posted April 07, 2009 07:07 AM           

raymond dug those out of a book. i know i have felt my t square prominantly! i have been homeless, i have been wealthy. i fit a lot of what was said. a lot.