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buena36
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posted April 07, 2009 04:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi to all,

Even if I am not a professional Astrologer I always get some PM or mail to explain Natal Chart. The most of them have Venus with only hard aspects. They are married but not happy (I don't know why some people marry at all?).

I am in the Forums where discussion is, I write my opinion and that is all from my Astrological work. Some members see what I write and they think I am some Astrologer.

The other thing: I have just now somebody (with no complaints at all) that has Venus in 12th in trine with MC, the only aspect. This woman is happily married (Venus is ruler of her DC).
Venus trine MC: is that really aspect or is not? That is first case with such a Venus.

Buena

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blue moon
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posted April 07, 2009 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I would count the Venus Trine MC.

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buena36
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posted April 07, 2009 05:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi BM,

Thank you very much for answer.
If you find some case about Venus (all alone) can you please write it here.

Love,
Buena

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Dulce Luna
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posted April 07, 2009 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
In that case my venus isn't unaspected afterall...I also have venus trine MC.

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darkdreamer
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posted April 07, 2009 09:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Aspects to an angle (especially ASC and MC) often seem to be a good outlet for otherwise unaspected planets.
With an aspect to MC other people may notice the Venusian-trait quite well actually, mostly in suroundings that have to do with MC.

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buena36
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posted April 07, 2009 09:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD,

Thank you for the explanation.

In that case person has to have exact hour of birth otherwise there is no aspect between planets and angles.

How great orb do you have for aspects?

Buena

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darkdreamer
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posted April 07, 2009 09:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Buena,

my preferred orb change from time to time, but I think with an orb of 5° you are on the safe side.

BTW even if Venus is unaspected, it wouldn`t necessarily mean an unhappy marriage, there are much more factors needed to explain that (including non-astrological reasons).

Also the ruler of DSC / 7th house acts as some kind of "individual Venus" in regard to relationships.

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amowls
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posted April 07, 2009 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Well I'm screwed then since my Venus only makes squares.

Although it's a tad unscientific, don't you think since there's a reporting bias in your observation. Of course the people that are unhappy are more likely to PM you. I'm sure there are plenty of people with an afflicted Venus who are perfectly happy in their marriages who didn't bother to PM.

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posted April 07, 2009 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
A planet is considered unaspected or what Noel Tyl calls peregrine if the planet has no ptolemaic aspects to planets. Aspects to the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis, Ascendant/Descendant axis, Lunar Nodal axis doesn't take cancel that out. They are not physical objects like planets are. Of course, if you start using kuiper belt objects like Pluto,centaurs like Chiron,and asteroids like Ceres, the whole unaspectedness gets murkier.

Venus trine Midheaven is a legitimate aspect, but it wouldn't cancel the unaspectedness of the planet.


I have the same time of situation with Uranus in Libra in 2nd trine Midheaven and North Lunar Node.


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posted April 07, 2009 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I would say Venus with hard aspects is better than Venus without aspects. With hard aspects Venus can act more normally (be balanced). Without aspects it could go out of control, and dominate the person's personality.

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posted April 07, 2009 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
With my vote I'm going to say Venus with hard aspects rather than Venus without aspects. The reason being that Venus is a very lazy energy to begin with and having nothing to push it forward would result in atrophy of this principle wherever it is stationed in the chart.

Now, as some one with Venus in hard aspect to the Moon, Mercury, Uranus, and Mars it's not exactly the easiest thing in the world to have Venus modified by such contrasting energies, but it sure makes for one hell of a ride concerning relationships, the arts, and all other Venusian categories.

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gorgeousbutterfly
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posted April 07, 2009 08:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have nothing but hard aspects with my venus, does that mean i'm doomed in relationships?

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posted April 08, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I think with hard aspects is better. I have an unaspected venus and it is very lazy. It hardly ever gets used and is a casual observer in life really. It is also unfortunately a weakness when it gets aspects by another's planets, fatal for me. Having negative aspects would at least drive Venus into what it is supposed to be doing. Amowls' chart is a good example of that. That's why she is successful in attracting relationships.

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buena36
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posted April 08, 2009 04:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Here I have two actors:

Hugh Grant

George Clooney


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buena36
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posted April 08, 2009 04:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I remember from one Forum that Hugh Grant has Natal Chart with Venus in 1st and Saturn in 5th (that is true as he is very charming man).
I forgot to copy that Chart and paste in my Album. Now I don't know where to find it.

About luck from both of them:

They are not unlucky, they are only different:
George changes the women like a shirts and Hugh doesn't. Hugh loved one woman for very long time.

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buena36
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posted April 08, 2009 05:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi gorgeousbutterfly,

Why should you be doomed with:
Venus hard aspects?

Many people have such a Venus: some are happy and some are not. Look Hugh Grant: he is not doomed at all.

It depends from all Chart and not only from Venus.

If somebody is unhappy, he can write here.

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posted April 08, 2009 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
anybody else remembering hugh's picnic in the red light district ?

neither of these 2 actors strike me as lucky in love despite their armies of fans

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buena36
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posted April 08, 2009 05:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi,

look that:
www.imnotobsessed.com/2007/10/28/hugh-grant-and-elizabeth-hurley-on-vacation-together/ - 37k

it seems he can't forget her.

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posted April 08, 2009 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
he's even a godfather to her child. i think it's really admirable to manage to remain so close to someone you've been to so much with.

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posted April 08, 2009 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
So I guess that means I am still doomed. My unaspected venus is in gemini in the 5th (also the ruler of the 5th and 10th). Am I passive in certain matters? Perhaps those related to the 5th house-I don't *date*, and I almost NEVER make the first move (though that has more to do with a fear of rejection more than anything else). I can unwind and have fun, and I like to do creative writing in my spare time.

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buena36
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posted April 08, 2009 07:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi DC,

I do never the first move either. If I do, I do it wrong.
From other side if somebody likes me and he is the right one he will come to me.

For me are men and love not on the first place and I am the person that can live alone. No problem. All I need is to have good health, what I don't have. After that I can think about something else.

We all need that what we don't have.

Buena

p.s. Doomed or not doomed, I believe in some kind of Destiny!

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posted April 08, 2009 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Ack, Lo siento re: your health, Buena.

Yeah, thats part my issue too...I usually screw up when I try to make the first move. I never really *look* for romance either..especially not via 'dating'. Dating has always been such a foreign concept to me despite the gemini venus; I just could not spend one-on-one time with random people I don't know just to see if there is something. These things usually just come to me in a way, like I usually meet them through a friend, or I know them through school or work in the last case.

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posted April 08, 2009 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
DL - yeah, I'm pretty weak on the counts of my relationship. I'm not sure if it is to do with my unaspected Venus (DC ruler) or my afflicted Sun (5th house ruler).
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

That's an excellent link on unaspected planets. It is the best description I've ever read on unaspected Venus and it feels true to me. I've mentioned that my Venus is a casual observer but when I get hit there, it is fatal for me. However, with the unaspected Venus that although I might not hit others often, when I do, it's with the pure telling force of an unadulterated Venus (of course with a Sag flavour for me). Can you relate to any of this?

Like you, I never initiate, I might lure though. I had a thread on my unaspected Venus last year but can't find it.

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