posted April 17, 2009 10:03 AM         

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From ancient times, the planet crossing the eastern horizon — the astrological Ascendant — immediately before the Sun has symbolized the practical channel through which solar will and vitality is expressed. The ancients called this body the "Planet of Oriental Appearance" because it appears in the eastern sky immediately before the Sun — that is, the planet rising directly before the Sun. Today, we refer to the Planet of Oriental Appearance at your birth time as your Guiding Planet or your Skill Symbol, because it represents both your inner guiding principle and your innate skills and special faculties, and how both may be best realized, enhanced and applied. Your Skill Symbol shows you how to best handle and cope with the demands and opportunities of daily life in a skillful, productive and fulfilling manner, and where your inherent skills and practical abilities lie. As your Guiding Planet, the planet rising immediately before the Sun symbolizes the faculties and inner senses scouting your path ahead, or your ability to navigate the best course to self-realization and fulfillment.

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Mine is Saturn. Perserverance, organisation, etc.

What do you think of yours?

http://www.khaldea.com/planets/oriental_intro.shtml

EDIT: it says on the introduction that it is the clockwise planet, but on the examples it shows that it is the nearest planet in an anti-clockwise direction. Confusing. It works best if you think of the planet before your Sun in the zodiac.

Example, Sun 28* Pisces, Mercury 26* Pisces ~ Mercury is your Guiding planet.

posted April 17, 2009 10:25 AM         

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Neptune Guiding Planet

You have a special, innate affinity for things psychological, abstract, mystical, transcendental and musical. Your are probably highly imaginative with a sharp intuition, and you may be inclined toward seeing the mystical or transcendental side of things. Although you may not be sharply focused regarding the practical side, or tend to place a lower priority on mundane matters, understanding how your duties and tasks fit into a whole may increase your productivity. The astrological planet Neptune corresponds to higher mathematics and other nerdy activities like computer programming, and today Neptune Skill Symbol people may find a place there.
Neptune Skill Symbol people can certainly get things done, but more than most they need to be motivated by realizing and accepting what they are working toward, and they need the respect of their coworkers. Otherwise any activity may seem akin to bondage and slavery, of just plain meaningless. Because Neptune provides you with some very special, highly private insights, goals and characteristics, others may find you and your motives difficult to understand, even mysterious and incomprehensible. And you may find it difficult, if not impossible, to explain yourself adequately to others. Not that you are inarticulate or others are particularly slow, but because the highly personal, or even transcendental, nature of your insights, goals and guiding faculties are not easily explained
As a Neptune Guiding Planet type, you may have a compassionate nature and a special knack for understanding the difficulties of others, of sympathizing with them and acting as a counselor. But you may also have a tendency toward either ruthlessness and exploitation or passivity and playing the victim. When confronted with difficult situations, try to see all side of the issue, then work out a harmonious solution that includes everyone. Neptune is the planet that provides the strongest psychic guidance, and its guidance may come in flashes, visions, dreams, gut feelings, hunches, happenstance or, most valuable of all, a holistic comprehension of people, situations and life.
It should be stressed that the Planet of Oriental Appearance does not necessarily indicate the precise career or occupation for which one is best suited. As Skill Symbol it represents the skills and faculties which are valuable personal assets, regardless of the particular area in which they are applied. Although Neptune is the planet most connected with music, it does not figure largely as Skill Symbol in the birth charts of famous and successful musicians and composers. Indeed, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn are more likely Skill Symbols for successful musicians and composers. This makes sense because to succeed in the field of music (and most other fields) much more than talent is required. The composers and musicians whose names have been immortalized often achieved success through their skills and faculties for self-promotion, communication, socializing, goal setting, determination, perseverance and putting on airs of authority.

Kurt Cobain is one musician born with Neptune in Oriental Appearance who achieved tremendous success and recognition – for a short time – and he is today regarded as the most influential rock musician of his generation. Cobian’s birth chart features Neptune in Scorpio rising a great distance (ninety-seven degrees) before the Sun, and a member of a extraordinary Kite formation which is described in the feature Kurt Cobain – Why Did He Die?
A key figure in the San Francisco Psychedelic Movement, Grace Slick is another Oriental Neptune type who realized acclaim in the world of rock music. Like Cobain, she was born with a rather extraordinary natal chart, and both names are closely linked with drugs and the drug culture. Although in recent years Grace has tired to greatly downplay her drug experience, as well as the sincerity of her rather radical, if not outright revolutionary, politics, she will forever be known as the Queen of Acid Rock and the Voice that Launched a Million Trips.
We can only wonder what are the drugs of choice Neptune Orientals Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates indulgence in. But power and control are certainly potent and highly addictive drug substitutes, and the domination-submission syndrome is certainly in Neptune’s domain. The birth-chart of Bill Gates has Neptune rising seven degrees before the Sun, and it is close to the midpoint of a cluster of six planets, all within forty-one zodiacal degrees. As mentioned, mathematics, computer programming and nerddom are in Neptune’s domain. Neptune is also the planet of unknowns, mysteries and intangibles, and what Bill is really all about is perhaps one such intangible. Like Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton was also born when Sun was in the early degrees of Scorpio, with Neptune Oriental in Libra, rising twenty-one degrees before the Sun. In Hillary’s birth-chart, Oriental Neptune forms a productive sextile aspect to a very tight Mars-Pluto conjunction in the fifteen degree of Leo – perhaps a good place to look if one really cares to know what she is about.
Neptune Oriental people can be highly focused and productive individuals who use their intuitive, if not psychic, insight into nature to make important contributions to science. Physicist Enrico Ferme possessed an uncanny skill for accurately theorizing the sub-atomic realm. He was born with Neptune as Guiding Planet rising ninety-four degrees before the Sun.

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posted April 17, 2009 10:43 AM         

I also believe that the Sabian Aspect orb can give you insight into how the oriental planet works

for instance, Uranus is separated from my Sun by 20'03, and so I have Sun seminovile Uranus with 3 minutes of arc. I have Sun oppose Uranus with 25 minutes of arc in my 9th harmonic chart.

The sabian symbol for my Sun-Uranus aspect orb is
21 Aries
A Pugilist Enters The Ring
'the release and glorification of social aggressiveness"

Uranus Guiding Planet

You are the sort of person who wants to revolutionize — or at least update and improve — whatever you touch. If you also possess insight and communication skills, you have the makings of a successful innovator. For you, it might not even matter much what you are innovating, discovering or revolutionizing, as long as you are effecting change! You may best meet problems or difficulties by seeking ingenious new solutions.
You have a knack for drawing criticism from conservative people who resent change, who like things just the way they are. That goes with the territory, but at times it might be productive to cultivate people skills, stability, perseverance and patience. More than most, you may find it difficult to "fit in" and many Uranus Skill Symbol people invent their own place in the world, often without precedent. A Uranian element of constant change and mutation may be evident in your personality and activities, which may bewildered others who can’t see the pattern and continuity beneath the surface.
As Guiding Planet, Uranus lets you know what needs to be shaken up; what’s out-moded and in the way, especially in the social and political sphere. More than most others, Uranus Guiding Planet people are often dissatisfied with themselves, their place in the world, and with general conditions. This is because Uranus lets them know in some definite yet unexplained way that things could be better, yet it doesn’t necessarily give much insight into how to manage things "after the revolution." Acquiring a historical and philosophical perspective may bring a better balance.

The natal horoscope of Beat writer and author of Dharma Bums and On the Road, Jack Kerouac, features Uranus Oriental, rising eleven degrees before a Piscean Sun. Uranus is near the Descendant and opposite the Moon, which is near the Ascendant, and squares from both planets to Mars at the nadir complete a well-defined T-Square formation.
As mentioned earlier, the Guiding Planet doesn’t tell the whole story, and one needs to tune into the chart as a whole and how the Oriental Planet fits into the whole picture. Regardless of how great and wonderful our potential and innate talent, unneutralized core issues may rise time and time again as obstacles preventing us from realizing our birth potential, or they may take the form of unconscious, self-sabotaging syndromes. Core-issue humanistic astrology — the harder ("harder" as in penetrating, powerful and effective, but easy in terms of application) form of humanistic astrology I’ve developed over the past three decades — is especially suited to recognizing where our core issues lie and how to deal with them. Core-issue humanistic astrology is also highly effective in helping the psychologically savvy discover the origins and nature of psychological complexes and personality disorders. It can help us neutralize core issues, psychological complexes and disorders, transmuting the immense psychic energy these conditions keep locked-up in rigid psychological patterns, rechannelling energies and power for self-realization and transformation.
Kerouac, the most macho of the Beats, was a Catholic mystic of sorts and evidently deeply conflicted in certain areas of his psychology and sexuality — he lived most of his life with his mother and she was one of the very few women with whom he seemed to have a truly close relationship. Although Kerouac exemplified and popularized the Beat spirit during the early years of his career, he later became somewhat alienated from his early comrades and highly critical of the involvement of Allen Ginsberg and Neal Cassady in the psychedelic culture of the mid-60s, perhaps because the two were attracting a large number of young people and were becoming prime movers of the emergent counterculture.
Paul Verlaine, another writer and poet whose lifestyle was as controversial, unconventional, and scandalous during his time as that of the Beats, was also born when Uranus was Oriental. He is most remembered today for his tumultuous homosexual liaison with poet Arthur Rimbaud.

The birth-charts of a rather extraordinary number of highly successful, visible women born during the 1940s and the early-1950s feature Uranus as the Planet of Oriental Appearance, and in many ways they seem to epitomize the spirit of their generation. Examples include vocalist Nancy Sinatra, singer turned actress Michelle Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas, actress turned singer Deborah Harry of the New Wave group Blondie, actress Anjelica Huston and early LSD researcher and leading figure in the human potential movement, Jean Houston.
In the birth-chart of Nancy Sinatra, Uranus rises twenty-four degrees before the Sun; it trines a second house Neptune and forms septiles to planets in a loaded twelfth house. Michelle Phillips, who epitomized the hippie chick of the 1960s, was born with the Sun and Oriental Uranus in Gemini, straddling a Gemini Ascendant. Uranus is close to the Sun and even closer to Venus, which rises less than two degrees before it. Yet, again, the Guiding Planet doesn’t tell the whole story, in Michelle’s later life her natal Jupiter in Leo conjunct the Nadir seems to exert a powerful pull, perhaps setting her direction. Deborah Harry, who made it big in the rock music business by taking the New Wave scene by storm while in her early-thirties, was born with a Cancer Sun conjunct the north lunar node and near Saturn, with Uranus Oriental, near the Midheaven, rising twenty-five degrees earlier. It is at the apex of a "wannabee" T-Square, forming a square to Jupiter on the Ascendant, which is opposite a Piscean Moon in the seventh house. Anjelica Houston’s natal chart shows Uranus Oriental in the seventh house, and it is the apex of a real T-Square with a powerful Jupiter-Neptune opposition across the meridian. The birth-chart of Jean Houston has Uranus Oriental rising less than two degrees before the Sun. The pair are in the ninth house, forming a Grand Tine with Neptune close to the Ascendant and Mars in the fifth house. Where’s Jane Fonda? Her birth-chart features Venus Oriental.
The natal horoscope of another singer turned actress, the iconic and ever-changing Madonna, has Uranus Oriental, rising eleven degrees before the Sun. Both the Sun and Uranus are in Leo, situated in the twelfth house with Pluto and Mercury in Virgo. Notably, Moon is just below the Ascendant in Virgo. Madonna, Deborah Harry and Michelle Phillips have more in common than just Uranus as Guiding Planet and their dual singer-actress careers — all three have Venus rising immediately before Oriental Uranus. Another example of Uranus Oriental is provided by the birth-chart of Winona Ryder. The daughter of psychedelic scholars and historians, Michael Horowitz and Cynthia Palmer, Winona is an "acid baby" who spent much of her early life living on a commune and visiting her father’s friends and associates.
http://www.khaldea.com/planets/oriental_uranus.shtml

I can totally relate to it! I am unusual,liberal,unconventional in a lot of ways.

Raymond

posted April 17, 2009 10:47 AM         

My Sun is 10 Virgo 46', Saturn is 23 Leo 4'

So, I guess my guiding planet would be Saturn

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Saturn Guiding Planet

You have a knack for defining systems and making things function well and long. Saturn Skill Symbol people often exhibit an even greater capacity for work, self-discipline and for overcoming hardship and obstacles than the Mars Skill Symbol type. You can best achieve your highly focused goals through sheer perseverance and through a profound understanding of the nature of people and things. When faced with difficulties, it is best to hold fast and study the situation in detail. You perform well when undertaking clearly defined projects in a highly ordered and structured manner or environment. Administrative qualities are strong, and others may look to you for leadership, protection or mentorship.
With Saturn Oriental, you may have an air of authority, and at times you exercise it too harshly. Though your knowledge and experience may be considerable, and acquired the hard way, it is wise to avoid rigidity and patronizing others.
As Guiding Planet, Saturn reveals the structural patterns defining situations and behavior. The strong sense of social order and authority associated with Saturn Skill Symbol may incline people born with Saturn Oriental to see society and relationships in a strictly hierarchical manner, as systems in which wealth, status and power rules; balance may be found by attempting to see things from a more holistic, interrelated and interdependent perspective.

While Oriental Saturn suggests involvement in politics and a desire to attain positions authority, it is also seen in the birth-charts of politically astute protectors and champions of the people. Consumer activist Ralph Nader was born when Oriental Saturn was conjunct the north lunar node and trine Jupiter. The natal horoscope of Martin Luther King, Jr. features Saturn Oriental rising thirty degrees before the Sun. King’s highly aspected Saturn opposes Mars retrograde in the second house and is a member of a Grand Trine configuration with Jupiter and Neptune.
Oriental Saturn also figures in the birth-charts of many successful artists and composers, because even though their creative work ties in with Venus (art) and Neptune (music), it also requires a well-developed sense of form, order, definition and structure — all Saturnian qualities — and the sort of perseverance and authority often required to succeed in the fields of art and music. The birth-chart of the Russian avant-garde composer Alexander Scriabin shows an Oriental Appearing Saturn close to the Sun, forming a loose trine to a Neptune-Pluto conjunction in the twelve house. A visionary Mercury Prometheus retrograde rises shortly before Saturn. Scriabin’s music, far ahead of its time, is highly ordered and underpinned by a very sophisticated and highly structured theosophical metaphysics. Another theosophist and contemporary of Scriabin’s, the pioneer Russian abstract artist Wassily Kandinsky, was also born when Saturn was Oriental, in his instance conjunct the natal Ascendant and opposite Pluto. In spite of the abstract nature of his of work, his art is highly organized, well-structured and thoroughly planned. Every primitive — point, line, curve, etc. — has a very definite meaning according to Kandinsky’s elaborate (and somewhat rigid) system which has theosophy as a basis.
http://www.khaldea.com/planets/oriental_saturn.shtml
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posted April 17, 2009 10:52 AM         

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You are very concerned with how others value you and all that you do. As a Venus Skill Symbol person, you may feel impelled to leave a personal impression on all you touch, hoping others will recognize, accept, value and praise your originality or worthiness. Your special skills are those requiring artistry, perception, personal charm and grace, evaluation and judgment. In meeting the demands of daily life, you do well when maintaining your emotional cool and relying on your intuition and judgment in seeking a creative solution.
With Venus as your Guiding Planet, you do well when you allow your instincts and personal values guide you through practical life. Yet at times there may be a conflict between the preservation of your personal values and a need to be praised and treated as someone special, especially when material rewards, comfort, security and luxury figure as incentives.
To achieve happiness, you need be especially careful concerning career, employment and personal relationships. Just any job won't do — your high expectations and sensitivity to criticism, combined with a need for creative expression and a desire to be appreciated and praised, may place you at odds with a conventional career. If you feel frustrated with your current career, a change to a career requiring creativity, judgment or evaluation may be the remedy. Similarly with your choice of companionship and mates. You need to be appreciated and loved, praised and respected, by those closest to you. Because Venus is the first planet within earth’s orbit, in astrology it symbolizes all inwardly directed energies and activities, and in today’s intensely self-centered society, it may be too easy for the Oriental Venus person to slip into the self-absorption of narcissism — the "it’s all about me" syndrome. So, appreciation of others and the development of social graces should go hand-in-hand with self-respect and self-worth.

It’s no surprise that Venus Oriental figures in the birth-charts of many artists in search of new artistic values and ideals, even though their individual styles and biographies often differ radically. Vincent van Gogh, Pablo Picasso and Salvador Dali all have Venus as Skill Symbol. In the instance of van Gogh, the Sun is unaspected, with Venus in close conjunction with Mars. Picasso’s natal chart features Venus in Libra, rising well before a Scorpio Sun, septile Mercury rising well after the Sun. The birth-chart of Dali shows Sun and Venus in Taurus, with Moon at the Midheaven, revealing an artist with an intense need to be "original" and earn vast sums of money to satisfy an avaricious wife. Modern artist Joan Miro was born with Venus Oriental very close to the north lunar node and the Sun. Here Venus is perhaps overshadowed by the Sun, with some the Guiding Planet’s attributes shifted to Mercury, which rises twenty degrees before Venus. And, indeed, Miro’s work has a fluid Mercurial quality and his approach is distinctly mental, even if, in a sense, surreal.
Venus Oriental also figures in the birth charts of poets and writers dealing with issues of art, values, culture and society. Joseph Campbell’s birth-chart has Venus Oriental, trine Neptune in the ninth house and bi-quintile Moon in the tenth house. Poet Arthur Rimbaud has the Sun and Venus Oriental in Libra, and poet, social satirist and wit Oscar Wilde was also born with the Sun and Venus Oriental in Libra. Venus Oriental is also seen in the charts of "macho men," such as Ernest Hemingway. Pornographer Larry Flynt has Venus Oriental close to a Scorpio Sun, with Mars, also in Scorpio, rising five-degrees before Venus — a revealing configuration. Yasir Arafat, the leader of the Palestinian people, has Venus Oriental rising forty-one degrees before the Sun, and it is very near Pluto and close to the Ascendant, suggesting his total dedication and identification with the values and needs of his people.
A number of women who have made their way as original, creative and independent voices in the world were born when Venus was Oriental. The natal chart of singer Alanis Morissette features Venus in Taurus (an excellent symbol for a vocalist) rising thirty-nine degrees before her Gemini Sun. The exact opposition between her natal Moon in the second degree of Scorpio and Venus Oriental seems to express itself well through her edgy lyrics portraying female angst unleashed. Women of rock Chrissie Hydne and Courtney Love were both born when Venus retrograde was Oriental. Chrissie’s Venus forms a bi-quintile aspect to Jupiter, and Courtney’s Venus forms a bi-quintile to Neptune in the first house.

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posted April 17, 2009 11:03 AM         

Here's the link http://www.zanestein.com/scout.htm

If Chiron can be counted as a scout, then I have it as my guiding thingy.

posted April 17, 2009 11:04 AM           

I came across this stuff a while ago....

posted April 17, 2009 11:15 AM           

is chiron actually considered an actual planet? is it not a 'dwarf planet'?

the planet after chiron in my chart is jupiter, should i read that?

posted April 17, 2009 11:38 AM         

*from wiki...Although it was initially classified as an asteroid, it was later found to exhibit behaviour typical of a comet. Today it is classified as both, and accordingly it is also known by the cometary designation 95P/Chiron.

Chiron is named after the centaur Chiron in Greek mythology. It should not be confused with the dwarf planet partner of Pluto named Charon, discovered in 1978.

posted April 17, 2009 11:52 AM         

Chiron is not a planet,and it's not even a dwarf planet. It's too small to be a dwarf planet.

it is just the first of over 40 centaurs discovered. Chiron was discovered in 1978.
It was until 1992, Pholus was the 2nd centaur discovered. then they kept finding more centaurs. the same with Pluto and the kuiper belt objects. Another kuiper belt object wasn't discovered until 1992. Later on,astronomers realized that Pluto was one of thousands of kuiper belt objects.

Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were actually classed as planets until astronomers realized that they were a just a few of thousands of asteroids.

if Chiron can be used as a guiding planet, then what about Pholus,Nessus,Asbolus,Chariklo,Hylonome,Pelion,Cyllarus,Okyrhoe,Elatus,Bienor that are also centaurs like Chiron?

also if kuiper belt object,Pluto can be used as a guiding planet, then what about the other kuiper belt objects like Eris,Makemake,Haumea which are classed as dwarf planets like Pluto. What about Sedna,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion which are also large kuiper belt objects that are dwarf planet candidates.

also Ceres could be used as a guiding planet, being a dwarf planet

If I use kuiper belt objects as my guiding planet, then Quaoar is my guiding planet. Quaoar is also conjunct my Sun with 2'58 orb (in Right Ascension, it's 1'46 orb) and trine Moon with 49 minutes of arc. Ixion is a much stronger influence with it being only 5 minutes conjunct/behind my Sun,and trine my Moon with 2'15 orb.

my guiding centaur is Bienor in 28'41 Libra with my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio.

posted April 17, 2009 03:51 PM         

Achievement through dogged perservence. Tick.

When faced with life's difficulties I look for practical solutions. Tick.

Others might be leaning on my narrow shoulders whilst I do it. Tick.

Understand what makes people tick, well, I like to think so, and this ties in with Saturn being in the 7th house, Conjunct Mercury, Trine Pluto.

posted April 17, 2009 03:59 PM         

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted April 17, 2009 04:25 PM           

Take it or leave it. I know this will stir some debate in here any how with so many different views. But I'm okay to agree to disagree and leave it at that cause I don't want to waste any time or emotion on it.

posted April 17, 2009 05:04 PM         

I am starting to feel that my Quaoar is my oriental planet because it is personalized by a conjunction to Sun by 2'58 orb(in Right Ascension by 1'46 orb) in 2nd house (an occupational house),trine Moon in 6th house(an occupational house) with 49 minutes of arc.

"Take it or leave it. I know this will stir some debate in here any how with so many different views. But I'm okay to agree to disagree and leave it at that cause I don't want to waste any time or emotion on it."

I take it. Nothing wrong with stirring debate. There are so many different views of Astrology,and a lot of them have validity whether it's my views,your views,or somebody else's. A lot of diversity in Astrology which also has led to what Steven Forrest said "Tower of Babel" in the astrological community. That's why I even think Eris is co-ruler of Astrology along with Uranus. There was even a Mercury square Eris when Uranus was discovered. I believe that minor planets don't work as oriental planets unless they are making strong aspects to personal planets/angles..especially the Sun like in our cases. I believe that goes for even Pluto with it being one of thousands of kuiper belt objects.

agreeing to disagree is a good way to use Eris energy imho

So as Quaoar as my oriental planet

Philip Sedgwick wrote:

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems http://www.philipsedgwick.com/Centaur_TNO/KuiperKeywords.htm

Mark Andrew Holmes wrote:

Astrologically, Quaoar seems to signify creation, procreation, demanding, trying experiences, being placed under a microscope, viewing less attractive aspects, flaws or complexities, scientific activities; also, questioning, constructing, clarifying, revealing, creating abstract mental models, a spirit of discovery, the big picture [says Jonathan Dunn]. http://www.geocities.com/mahtezcatpoc/quaoar.html

Raymond

posted April 17, 2009 05:56 PM           

Have a great weekend!

posted April 17, 2009 07:29 PM         

Moon is my oriental.. the description is only partially true for me..