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Mysticr
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posted April 24, 2009 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticr     Edit/Delete Message
I think Susan Boyle is a good singer, but not a great one that warrants this current hysteria. At the moment, across the world to even suggest that this woman is less than good, one can expect a severe lambasting from others in numerous web forums, street corners and phone-in shows on TV. It's like the woman has become Princess Diana all of a sudden. This is very creepy and the UK, where I live, is feeling like a totalitarian state and it seems the majority of us (not including myself) were reduced to tears after watching Susan's Youtube clip. There's a lot more clips, children starving for example, I think people should be crying and getting worked up about!

But what intrigues me in relation to my interpretation of Pluto in Capricorn (I might be wrong) is that is represents an overthrowing of outdated powerful ideologies and structures. In Susan's case, it's the idea of 'beauty' and the powerful being celebrites and the media/beauty industry. For years, societies have revered celebrity beauty. But now it seems these same people who many admired only a few weeks ago, are being dismissed as fake, untalented and ugly whereas 'ordinary' Susan is being held up as an 'angel' whose "beauty radiates inside and out". Have you ever heard anyone refer to Angelina Jolie or Halle Berry's inner beauty? And are you really telling me Barbra Steisand and Elaine Page are unemotional and 'average' singers? But this is some of the stuff people are saying. I do wonder, if people are almost trying to tell themselves rather than the rest of us that 'beauty' is skin deep.

However I also think people's attitudes are hyprocritical. They're are plenty of Susan Boyles walking along every high street every day. How many of us would truthfully acknowledge these people with a smile or a 'good morning'? The truth is as much as we know we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, we always will because fear and suspicion are feelings that are always going to come before compassion and empathy when we look at a stranger.

What's your astrological opinion on the Susan Boyle phenomenon? Do you think the way society percieves beauty is set to change? Will we see more average looking people becoming the next Hollywood stars and singers? Or has nothing really changed at all?

Susan's date of birth is apparently 1 April 1961.

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Miss Mystic

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blue moon
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posted April 24, 2009 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
In the average week I will watch a couple of T.V shows, and flick through the tabloids in the morning at breakfast along with the other online papers. None of the many people I have spoken to this week have introduced it as a topic of conversation. So, I'm missing the impact of this one.

Are you of the generation with Saturn, Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn at all?

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katatonic
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posted April 24, 2009 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i seriously enjoyed watching the sniggerers change into fans in front of your eyes, especially simon cowell...however i also think she has a great voice and delivery. it didn't bring tears to my eyes though. i remember when streisand was a serious ugly duckling. money and LOTS of adoration have made her a glamourous creature...when SHE sings cry me a river i get tears in my eyes even when it's on a record!

pluto in capricorn is about restructuring, but more specifically restructuring big business and corporate stuff, government, etc. so maybe she is a pioneer (aries) in the restructuring of how hollywood et al promote people.

was a time james cagney and edward g robinson were considered great actors and no one could accuse them of being mannikins or beautiful in a superficial way;

but it is also the year of the ox and susan boyle is an aries ox! so no surprise that in the aries ox month she has broken through...

trouble is it will probably now become fashionable to be frumpy and the natural "pretties" may get left out in the cold. but at least they won't have to spend all day at the gym and hairdresser and botox supplier to STAY eternally young and beautiful - hopeful thinking!

in the late 70's when john rotten and others decided to spit in the eye of fashion guess what - within minutes it was the FASHION to look rough, especially a particular style of rough. as the world turns....

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Lara
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posted April 24, 2009 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Can anyone listen to this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI2DxkrgpgQ

and THEN Say SUSAN BOYLE doesn't have a great voice? :P

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Writesomething
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posted April 24, 2009 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
i refuse to listen to her out of principal.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted April 24, 2009 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I love the whole phenomena, but not simply because she turned out to be an unglamorous older woman who was expected to be a circus clown and instead touched everyone's heart with a nice voice, but I love it because of the debates it does spark, whether you watched the video or not.

At first people were touched to tears, inspired by the underdog who challenged Simon Cowell's show business values of the young, sexy and pretty being the only one's he thinks should be stars; but now the same people who were touched by a "television" moment are trying to find excuses for why it could be fake, or saying that Simon created the moment in advance knowing that she could sing, etc.

I think people became uncomfortable with their own vulnerability, their own capacity to judge a book by it's cover and then be surprised when she could actually sing.

It's interesting to me that many people have described her as shy, but if you watch that video again, you'll see that this woman is anything but shy. She even says, in the pre-interview, "I'm gonna make that audience rock!" Those are not the words of a shy woman. A shy woman doesn't go out on a stage in front of several hundred people and swirl her hips in a defiant manner out of anger because Simon rolled his eyes when she told him her age.

Many people, including myself, thought her "hip roll" was inappropriate, but then I thought about it. If she was a young, skinny 23 year old woman, we would have accepted it, but in our society, dowdy looking 47 year olds who do that are considered "inappropriate".

So, it's not about her singing voice, it's about her story leading up to a courageous action that she took. I love the title many newspaper journalists gave her story, "The Woman who cracked the cold, cold heart of Simon Cowell!"

The story is really about courage. I mean, how many people would believe that this woman is 3 years younger than Madonna. Think about it...

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Yin
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posted April 24, 2009 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Write, that's just silly.

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Writesomething
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posted April 24, 2009 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
not really. i cant stand it when everyone goes crazy over something. i just dont follow this stuff and never heard of her till recently. i just dont care in general.

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Lara
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posted April 24, 2009 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
at least she wrote something, Yin hehe

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Coffee
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posted April 24, 2009 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Not really much has changed, no.

Pluto has just moved in to Capricorn and will be strong there as it is conjunct. While strong things are likely to happen in the Capricorn area, the same is also true of other areas. Pluto is semi-sextile Aquarius, ruler of fame/tv.

A ssx is next best aspect after conjunction, which is great for Aquarius.

Maybe it does say something about fame. It is nothing new, but anyone can go from being...Susan Boyle to how ever many millions of viewings on youtube.

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