posted April 30, 2009 03:41 AM         

I know that is you, master for Synastry and love.

Today I have got 3rd time (PM) question from one woman, member in other Forum:

Will her husband come back to her?

They were 20 years together and some time ago he has left her and moved to his new love (girl friend).

She wrote me as she thinks I know a lot because in that Forum, I have found (over Horary) young girl in abroad, killed.

I have tried with Horary, but before that I was asking for one cat. They always lose the cats and members search with Pendulum and other kinds of divination.

Her Natal Chart:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2hekdjm&s=5

His Natal Chart:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xnfcqh&s=5

Synastry without Asteroids:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2q3c21d&s=5

Synastry with Asteroids:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rc0sg1&s=5

posted April 30, 2009 03:50 AM         

I know other aspects of divorce, but Uranus opposition Chiron?
I have left only few books and gave away 14 books about Astrology (10 books to one female member, Numerologist in German Forum).

I want to help her, because I know what means asking for the help. Only desperate people ask for that.

posted April 30, 2009 07:27 AM         

I also think that probably to see if he might come back, we really have to see the horary (and then maybe progressions),b ut synastry alone won´t tell us.

Well, I cast a horary chart for the moment I read your question (as I will try to interprete it), but it doesn`t look so good. Yet, I`m not really good at horary, so it`s just a guess.

This horary has ASC in Leo with her significators Sun in Taurus in 10th house, Moon in Cancer in 12th house.

His significator is a retograde Saturn in Virgo in her 3rd house, which could explain that she is thinking of him (3rd house = thinking) again.

Now, Moon is in the detriment of Saturn, this doesn´t look like there is a strong attraction towards him left. Actually it looks like she is deeply hurt by him.

But Moon is on the Cusp of the 12th house, so maybe she isn`t really clear about her own feelings, or she is whitholding something, maybe even clings to illusions or fantasy?
Sun in the 10th house, she probably has a great need for stability, and may suffer from the lack of it.

His Significator Saturn in Virgo is in the face of Sun, so he likes her somewhat, but it is a very weak form of affinity / conection, more like friendship. his significator is retograde, so maybe he has second thoughts? Wanting to go back?

I also looked at his 5th house, his new love; Venus rules this house (pretty appropriate) and falls into Aries. BUT Venus is in the fall of Saturn, and Saturn is in the fall of Venus, it doesn`t seem to go to well between his girlfriend and him.
Maybe that is why he might have second thoughts?

His (ex)wives significators fall into his 4th and 6th house, so he misses the homely basis? the emotional and nurturing connection? her significator in his 6th house doesn`t look so positively though, as it could imply some emphasis on "service" instead of genuine exchange of feelings.

however, her significator Sun trines his Saturn and her significator Moon will sextile his significator Saturn in some time, so there may indeed be a meeting. Maybe he will come back, but since there is no real emotional connection through reception, I don´t think it will last.
I don`t even think she would want it.

I think if he comes back, it will be more because of some sense of duty or need for stability and security and wanting to be taken care of then of deep love.

At least that is what I see in the horary here. But I could be completely wrong.

posted April 30, 2009 08:39 AM         

Then there's the Magi Society astrology perspective. That Jupiter-Neptune-Chiron conjunction is a GIANT MASS OF CINDERELLA ENERGY! At first I thought it was silly that she wondered if her husband would come back even though he just moved in with his girlfriend, but when I see that conjunction right on her 7th House cusp, that's a lot of hope and idealism, even romanticism for her to contemplate.

One really needs to know the situation about their relationship. That conjunction might even be suggesting all that romance is something that her partner is experiencing and not her. Perhaps he is seriously dreaming in a romantic manner about his new girlfriend.

My suggestion is that she take advantage of that energy if someone else is in the picture or it very different types of love opportunities are being offered to her. This may sound strange, but was she invited to ever join her husband and his new girlfriend in a "love adventure" of some sort.

I'm being very serious. Especially since her 7th House cusp is in Aquarius which rules new techiques or strange and different ways of doing things.

His chart shows that within the last few years, transiting Pluto trined his Saturn and then his Venus. Saturn rules his 7th House of partnerships and maybe his marriage stabilized first and then immediately he fell in love with someone.

Also, transiting Saturn is currently moving through his 3rd House and it will soon be moving to opposition with his Sun for the 3rd time. The Sun rules his 2nd house of self worth and personal finances. He may have been feeling very low about himself or having financial difficulties recently, possibly due to the separation as that is something that happens with many couples when they separate. The Sun will soon oppose his Sun one last time affecting the finances again and then it moves on to Pluto.

Pluto rules his 5th House of romantic love and sexuality. When Saturn conjuncts his Pluto, it may be the end of his romance with either this woman or his wife.

I don't think there is a definite answer just yet. They are both learning some incredibly strong lessons right now and this thing needs to play out. She needs to truly decide if she really wants him back. That conjunction on her 7th House could be a very strong opportunity for her. The Magi astrologers would tell her that this is a giant opportunity for her to become a Cinderella, to find and or meet someone who will make her a Cinderella.

But there's no way for me to know without knowing who she is or the exact situation. Only you and she know what the situation truly is, but this is one of those times in her life that is highly spiritual, focused on relationship and how she relates not just to him but to the entire world.

She may want to take the focus off of him and take a good hard look at what God and the world is offering her RIGHT NOW!!! Don't look this gift horse in the mouth!

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posted April 30, 2009 09:09 AM         

Thank you both very much for answers. I don't know how to say her (even if I don't know her, but she wrote three times to me) all that. After all maybe she should go to this Mrs. Bauer in Vienna.

I send the mail, she sent to me. DD, you can read how desperate she is. Sorry, Geo about that, I post here mail in German.
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Ich bin derzeit sehr verzweifelt. Mein Mann hat mich nach 21 gemeinsamen Jahren vor 10 Wochen verlassen und ist zu seiner Freundin gezogen. Ich wünsch mir so sehr, dass er wieder zurück kommt (ich liebe ihn noch immer sehr).Jetzt hab ich einen Termin mit einer "Hellseherin" (Frau Bauer aus dem 10. Bezirk) ausgemacht, da ich wissen möchte, ob mein Mann wieder zu mir zurückkommt.Sie war am Telefon richtig unsympatisch. Meine Frage dazu: kennst du sie, glaubst du daran, dass jemand in die Zukunft sehen kann? Was würdest du an meiner Stelle machen?Ich möchte auch nicht mein Geld zum Fenster rausschmeißen. Ich lebe jetzt mit meinem Sohn alleine und muss daher auch sparenIch hab jetzt den Termin mit Fr. Bauer abgesagt.ich hab noch nicht die Kraft dazu dorthin zu gehen.
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Geo,

In short, she will probably go to one Clairvoyant in Vienna. Here she writes, how this woman is not very friendly on the phone (what kind of clairvoyant is that woman?) She also asks me if I know some good clairvoyant? I am not in Vienna, and I don't know any good clairvoyant, either.

Love to both of you,
Bozena

posted April 30, 2009 09:14 AM         

Do I believe that somebody can really see in the future? As I know, only one woman told me right things and she is dead now. Beside that, they talk so much about that area in Vienna.
Very strange: there lives my ex friend.

posted April 30, 2009 09:17 AM         

Is it possible for people to see the future?

posted April 30, 2009 09:25 AM         

Besides, it`s only been 10 weeks.
She hasn´t even begun to digest what happened.I think this is not the best time to consult an astrologer, as she is not secure or firm in her own thoughts / feelings right now.
Despair never is a good advisor, and no astrologer can really help her now.

I fear she will have to go through this.
I mean come on, he DUMPED her after 21 years, having a child, shattering her emotions and even her financial security, and even though maybe it was the only thing he could do emotionally, becuase his love had faded, it is terribly rude and hurtful towards a person he has shared most of his life with, a person he once cared for deeply, and even if the love has gone, what about that emotional connection, that family connection?

She probably is not ready to feel those feelings yet, as she is too devastated; but she WILL feel that anger, and this is important. She will have to be angry for what he hass done to her and their family.
Only after she has gone to all these stages, there could be a chance of meeting each other eye to eye again (in a psychological sense), but NOW is not the right time.

She will not want to hear that, but he is gone, he has left her, and as much that hurts, she has to accept it and find a way to move on herself.

And maybe in some months or weeks ahead she will not even WANT to be together with a man who was able to hurt her like he did. Cheating on her. Letting her down emotionally and financially.

Or maybe there will be a chance that they can approach each other again, but only after she (or even t hey) have healed.
Right now I do not see such a chance.

posted April 30, 2009 09:28 AM         

There are some good clairvoyants and there are also things, you can't change as they come when you don't expect. That was with me, when one clairvoyant (woman) told me things about problems with the money, bank and the court. All that happened to me. I would never expect all what she told me, but she was right.

Maybe some people go to the clairvoyant to hear something good and it happens that she "sees" something, what is not good.
This Austrian woman is now afraid to go to the clairvoyant in Vienna. There are Threads in the Forum about Clairvoyance and Fortunetelling and many members ask how to find good one.

posted April 30, 2009 09:34 AM         

You wrote it very nice.

From other side it happens after 21 years being together. It happens very often about 40 years of age, too.

I will post here Natal+P+SA:

posted April 30, 2009 09:41 AM         

I will write her to wait a bit as there is no need to go to the clairvoyant. That woman could do things worse.

posted April 30, 2009 12:33 PM         

She has talked with her man: he won't come back. She is very upset.
I wrote her something good, what I have seen. I will see, how is going on.

posted April 30, 2009 12:49 PM         

i would advise her to at least act as-if she was perfectly happy without him, be nice but noncommittal, and if the child is a minor make some arrangements for the parenting situation. clinging to a man who says he's out of there tends to push him even further away. the new lover will probably lose her fairy-dust soon and he may THEN regret what he has left...

in any case if she gets on with her life she will heal faster, not to say she shouldn't mourn (in private) the relationship but he either will or won't come back! and when she has found her OWN FOOTING she may find there is someone much nicer looking for her!

posted May 01, 2009 05:05 AM         

Thank you all for comments.

After I wrote answer to this woman, that her life is going to change and maybe she will meet somebody new, she wrote me back that I try to move her thoughts from her man!
It was stupid from me to write about other man, if she deeply loves her husband – it looks, I am very bad counsellor!

In each case, she still hopes!

posted May 01, 2009 05:57 AM         

Thank you for help.

She wrote also that nobody is there to replace her husband.

What to say?
Somebody loves more times;
somebody loves only once
and there are some,
they never loved anybody.
I know one woman (have her Natal Chart - ASC Virgo) over 50 years old: she was never in love!