posted May 11, 2009 03:24 PM         

What is very interesting is that the hypothesis of Planet X was derived from astronomical errors of Neptune's mass.

Planet X hypothesis to explain apparent discrepancies in the orbits of the gas giants, particularly Uranus and Neptune,speculating that the gravity of a large unseen planet could have perturbed Uranus enough to account for the irregularities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_X

It was pretty much a stroke of luck or fate or even both that Tombaugh discovered Pluto.

Pluto was in 00'12 South Ecliptic Latitude

That means that Pluto was on the Ecliptic at the time like the other planets, making it easy for Clyde Tombaugh to find Pluto.

Pluto tends to orbit well off the ecliptic with it having up to 17 degree orbital tilt

currently, Pluto is 5'47 North Ecliptic Latitude

Pluto in 18'40 Cancer Retrograde
Heliocentric North Pluto Node in 19'21 Cancer
Sedna in 16'13 Aries Retrograde

the retrograde could be about the misunderstanding of Pluto, but also introspection that fit with psychology which Freud and Jung were pioneers of.

Pluto was conjunct its North Node, and that's very significant. It could indicate the discovery of Pluto in synchronicity with the evolution,huge changes in consciousness

I also wonder if Pluto square Sedna might have something to do with not only intense victimization but also madness

another thing, Moon was in Scorpio during its discovery

therefore, Moon in Scorpio and Pluto in Cancer were in mutual reception. That is very significant. It would make sense that Pluto was viewed as being Scorpionic by Western Astrologers.

Pluto was given the rulership of Scorpio by Western Astrologers. Pluto's Perihelion (the point of Pluto's orbit closest to the Sun) is in Scorpio.

conjunction of Sun in 29'24 Aquarius
Venus in 2'20 Pisces

oppose Neptune in 2'17 Virgo

Sun contraparallel Neptune - '23

so Pluto was discovered when Sun and Neptune were both oppose and contraparallel each other (Sun-Neptune occultation) which indicates a day of confusion,deception. This could fit with Pluto being mistakened for being a planet when it's actually the first of thousands of kuiper belt objects being discovered.

Mercury in 3'25 Aquarius
North Lunar Nodes in 5'10 Taurus/Scorpio
Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'00 Taurus/Scorpio

As you see, the lunar nodes were not only stationary which means strong lunar node energy and fits the significance of Pluto's discovery, but they were also closely aligned with the heliocentric Eris Nodes with only 10 minutes of arc. With the lunar nodes being stationary, that alignment is extremely strong.

This shows that the discovery of Pluto was controversial and can involve discord
It is also possible that astrologers have assigned some characteristics of Eris to Pluto.

It took the discovery of larger Eris to get Pluto demoted to planet to minor planet in Astronomy, being classed as a dwarf planet, and being the prototype of the Plutoid classification which Pluto,Eris,Haumea,and MakeMake belong to.

the South Lunar Node is conjunct Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 28 minutes of arc applying which can add to the emphasis of the deception,confusion of Pluto's discovery and being viewed as a planet, but also that Pluto might be involved in suffering,illness with Saturn/Neptune midpoint being a midpoint associated with suffering,illness

Mercury was conjunct the Sun/Saturn midpoint, and that might indicate that Pluto might have been seen as "Bad News"

Saturn in 8'56 Capricorn
Uranus in 9'04 Aries

Saturn square Uranus could indicate conflict between the old and the new, changing,breaking away from boundaries, but even resisting change

also Saturn/Uranus midpoint is said to be Chiron-Sensitive for Chiron links the orbits of Saturn and Uranus.

When I see this chart, I am convinced that Pluto should not be viewed as a planet.......especially with it being discovered during Sun-Neptune opposition/contraparallel

as you know, hard Neptune aspects can be about things aren't always what they seem
like Pluto is not what it seems for it has been believed to be a planet,and it is found to not be one.

Pluto is a pioneer in that it was the first transneptunian object discovered.
It does have a powerful astrological influence, but that could also be said of the other large transneptunians after years of studying them.

Ceres was once classed as a planet, but it was stripped of its planethood because it was found to be one of many asteroids that number into hundreds of thousands.

In mythology, Ceres' daughter,Proserpina was abducted by her brother,Pluto to be his queen.
Later on, Ceres and Pluto shared Proserpina for equal amount of time.

Eris' orbit is Persephone-like for it orbits well away from Pluto for half of its time. Eris' discoverer, Michael Brown pointed that out. It was Eris discovery that led to Pluto and Ceres being made equals as dwarf planets in Astrology. Those are 2 reasons that I believe that Eris has to do with equality matters. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra.

I believe that the aspects of Ceres are important. I mean, Pluto given the honor of being a planet would seem to add insult to Ceres' demotion.

I couldn't help noticing that Sun square Geocentric North Ceres Node in 28'59 Taurus.

Jupiter in 6'55 Gemini
Ceres in 7'23 Gemini

Jupiter conjunct Ceres could be expansion involving nurturing, but also letting go (emptying mother's nest). It could also mean that some of Ceres' traits have been assigned to Pluto.

In Right Ascension:

Venus in 4'50 Pisces
Neptune in 4'30 Virgo
Ceres in 5'15 Gemini
Jupiter in 5'10 Gemini

Ceres-Jupiter as the apex of a t-square, squaring the opposition of Venus-Neptune

To me, this seems like Ceres being judgmental,scratching her head,and going "WTF......How come Pluto is classed as a planet,and I am not?.....that's not fair"

In Heliocentric:

Earth in 29'24 Leo
Ceres in 29'03 Gemini

Earth sextile Ceres could indicate the possibility that Pluto might have a Ceres type of influence and that some of Ceres' traits have been given to Pluto

Mars in 9'20 Aquarius
Chiron in 10'04 Taurus

Mars in close square to Chiron seems to indicate Pluto has to do with anger,violence connected to pain,wounding. It could be about healing anger connected to wounds,pain in the past. Interestingly, Steven Forrest talked about Pluto being the wounded healer. This configuration seems to confirm that.

there is more,

Sun in 29'24 Aquarius
Heliocentric Chiron Nodes in 28'35 Libra/Aries

Sun trine/sextile Heliocentric Chiron Nodes could also be a confirmation that Pluto is a wounded healer of sorts

On a hunch, I also checked to see if there were any personal planets in aspect to the large plutinos, Ixion or Orcus. Plutinos have 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune which means for every time, Neptune orbits 3 times, Pluto and its plutinos orbit twice. Orcus is Etruscan God of Death. Some say equivalent to Pluto. Some say Roman version of Thanatos, the Greek God of Death. Ixion is named after a wicked, lusty king that was given the punishment of being bound to a flaming wheel for his audacity to think that he can sex with Hera,the queen of the Greek deities. He is the father of the wild,lusty centaurs. Ixion was even discovered in Sagittarius,the centaur sign.

In Heliocentric chart:

Mercury in 21'30 Scorpio
Orcus in 24'10 Taurus

Mercury oppose Orcus makes me think of intense,morbid thoughts as thoughts of death as well as deep,psychological thinking

Mars in 25'23 Capricorn
Ixion in 25'37 Virgo

Mars trine Ixion seems to point to the passion, sexuality of Pluto.

Eris in 1'12 Aries
Varuna in 00'59 Aries
Haumea in 2'03 Leo

Eris conjunct Varuna with 12 minutes of arc seems very significant. Two large kuiper belt objects closely conjunct each other, and they are trine by Plutoid, Haumea

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/DiscoveryofPlutoRightAscension.gif
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/TheDiscoveryofPluto.gif
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/TheDiscoveryofPlutoHeliocentric.gif

kuiper belt objects, pluto nodes,eris nodes were found in Solar Fire

can be calculated here
http://megadelfi.com/~jonathan/

Raymond

posted May 11, 2009 03:57 PM         

Great info....do you think Mars is the real ruler of Scorpio, or is it Pluto..or both. The reason I'm asking is because scientists are saying Pluto isn't a planet...which just leaves Mars.

I'm wondering because

If someone's 7th house is in Scorpio
& They have Pluto conjunct the 7th house cusp

And they have Mars in the 5th house

Would they have ruler of the 7th in 5th or
ruler of the 7th in the 7th?

posted May 11, 2009 04:25 PM         

I use Mars and Pluto as co-rulers of Scorpio.

posted May 14, 2009 01:12 AM         

It does have a significant astrological influence that shouldn't be discounted.

Pluto transits are no joke. I mentioned in another thread that my mom's roommate died when transiting Pluto in my 4th was conjuncting my Sun/Moon midpoint. Transiting Pluto in my mom's 7th house.

Pluto is in 4th house in my Solar Return

I transiting Pluto sextile my Moon and semisquare my Mercury,....I have Moon squine (105 degree,24th harmonic aspect) Mercury with 10 minutes of arc, and transiting Pluto was aspecting it.

I still have transiting Pluto sextile Moon, and its currently trining my Sedna...so minor grand trine transit, squaring my Moon/Sedna midpoint...

transiting stationary Pluto was squaring my Pluto and exactly conjunct my Venus/Node midpoint when my girlfriend broke up with me and hasn't contacted me since.

currently transiting Pluto is parallel my Mercury-Venus parallel and squaring my Pluto in Libra in 1st

I wrote this post when transiting retrograde Mercury was trining my Pluto

a lot of Pluto activity going on.

the good thing about the Pluto transits is that started getting into Eckhart Tolle's teachings, attending an interfaith unity church

I am attending an Eckhart Tolle A New Earth class at the church now. I will becoming a member of the church at the end of the month

this month is a month of transformation, fitting with the Pluto transits.

I have a bunch of Sedna activity going on too.

I just found out that both transiting Pluto parallel my Venus and transiting Sedna parallel my Ascendant will be exact on October 30, 2009. My birthday is the day before! whooaaa That has to be significant!