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Coffee
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posted May 13, 2009 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone got examples of natals which seem really good by aspect, but the persons life doesnt follow? Like all the planets within 2 or 3 signs of each other.

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posted May 13, 2009 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 13, 2009 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good by aspect means easy for the native, you cannot see in the chart whether the person is good or bad;

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posted May 13, 2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, it's like wasted potential. I've seen someone with conjunctions throughout their chart within the same sign pretty much.
Things are too easy for them or something. Everything is 'in agreement', not much to push against. Sometimes people with a Grand Trine are like this. Not bad people necessarily, so much as they feel they can afford to be lazier. And in a way, they can.

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Coffee
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posted May 13, 2009 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Disagree with the lazy/too easy bit for the grand trines. I find that statement a load of nonsense.

I got an opposition to a lot of my planets in Libra. Doesnt count

Peri, that is part of the reason for this thread.

Any serial killers on the forum today, who care to share?

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posted May 13, 2009 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a grand Air trine in my chart (Chiron, Mercury, Moon) and I'm super lazy/have no ambition and I blame my grand trine for this laziness. That and Jupiter opposite Moon.

Also if you were to count ascendants in grand trines then I have a grand trine with my ASC, Sun, Moon.

ANNNNND Cradle charts are said to make the person's life way easy and so they get lazy. I also have a cradle.

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posted May 13, 2009 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I was going to say: that's not the first I've heard of easy aspects contributing to a sort of laziness. And it may not be laziness per se, but something similar, because things just flow too easily.

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Coffee
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posted May 13, 2009 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing.

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Coffee
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posted May 13, 2009 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A stellium would flow even better.

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posted May 13, 2009 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betelgeuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could always choose a famous persons chart to study, like Hitler for example. Though you will probably find you can make a case for good or bad in whichever aspect you look at.

The natal chart is only a tool the soul uses. I've always pondered whether 'some' so called 'bad' people actually made a conscious choice before reincarnation to be 'bad' purposefully. Either to experience that part of their self-expression or act as a catalyst for change in the world around them.

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posted May 13, 2009 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, famous charts are useful, which is why I mentioned criminal types.
Mainly based around lots of good aspects = good natal = good person vs transits which may trigger bad bits.

Yes, yes, and yes, I know.

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posted May 13, 2009 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusmars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked out my birthday(same year) in astrotheme and the famous people who shares it are a basketball player and a dead terrorist.He is a suicide bomber.
He is responsible for the 7th July 2005 London bombings How come??

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posted May 13, 2009 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 14, 2009 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cradle is half of a grand sextile
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/grandsextile_cradle.shtml

and Venusmars, whenever I think about comparing myself to people with similar charts, I keep in mind that the people that surround us act like transits themselves. The suicide bomber had different people around him that affected his thoughts and actions.

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posted May 14, 2009 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I checked out my birthday(same year) in astrotheme and the famous people who shares it are a basketball player and a dead terrorist.He is a suicide bomber.
He is responsible for the 7th July 2005 London bombings How come??

Houses make a great deal of difference.

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posted May 14, 2009 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee,

I read the same thing in an astrology book (I think it was Parker's, but not sure), that people who have just the nicest of charts are sometimes crooks. It said that the nice aspects make them charismatic and people trust them easily, how perfect for them.
The opposite however is true (bad charts, good people).

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Lara
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posted May 14, 2009 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Coffee,

You want me to post my ex's chart? He's a serial killer in the making

I've never met such a crook, liar and total psychopath in my entire life. Anyone wanna get rid of him for me? I'll give you £50 lol
(ok i'm not serious about the £50)

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Coffee
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posted May 14, 2009 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about we see your chart!
Catch it early.

I take many forms of payment.


Looking for a natal with all planets in decent aspects, with no squares, opposition and Quincunxes.

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Lara
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posted May 14, 2009 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HA HA HA u r funny :P
I'm no serial killer lol

no square, oppositions or quincunxes? geez, let me look in my database

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I think I have an easy chart, maybe it's mostly conjuctions and trines. With a opposition between the Sun and Moon. Another opposition between Mars and Moon. A very wide sqaure from Pluto to my 8th house stellium. Mars squares the Asc. and Saturn squares the MC. Also I think the Rx planets, as much as I hate them make me reconsider things in my life.

I am not saying I am bad person or a good person. I have done things I am not proud of but I don't consider myself a bad person though. Also I have done good things too but I don't consider myself a good person either..

Also my astrology chart does not have all the "answers" as to why I am the way I am. I am pretty sure my astrology chart, transits, dracronic, progressions can not tell me why I am gay or how I came to be gay, even though I (secretly) do try to understand why through astrology but it's hard to say and where to start. Some say a strong Uranian and influence and by looking at my chart, one could pinpoint it to that but in my Uncle's chart he's just an Aquarian and he does not have such a strong Uranian influence natally besides for his Sun.

Anyways it's still interesting for me to ponder X3

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A chart with no squares, oppositions, or quincunxes?

Are you looking for superman? O_o;

I have never came across a chart that "clean" lol.

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posted May 14, 2009 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Metatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would put things like this.

Natals are sort of a coded life potentials we harbour on the inside. And potential is and will only be a potential. At the same time all aspects can have positive or negative effects on the native. It all depends on the life of the individual, his/hers upbringing, and the social environment. Sometimes people don't even have a chance to express their own potential, sometimes nothing triggers that same potential or they just never become aware of it.

Natals show an image of our conscious and unconscious peronal nature, they show us the potential human being that we can develop into. And make no mistake natals hide more than one potential shaping of a person. Aspects between planets and points, energies that represent our potential peronality can manifest themselves in many many ways. Nothing is definitive and i would say aspects, from this point of view should not be devided in harmonious and challenging, or hard. By that i'm trying to say that a person with a lets say a very harmonious aspect in the wrong time and place would not be so appreciated. For instance how about the middle ages where people with such extraordinary talents to percieve the world in a unique way...anyone remebers how they would end up. Well i'm aware this is sort of a lame example. However my point is this. People have potentials and their natals show that, but still how this potential will be lived out no one knows.

As for the bad/good person. What makes people bad or good if we express our selves in that manner is life. Life can produce normal mundane individuals, it produces people that live on the edge of social tolerance it produces people that live their lives in disrespect and violation of social agreemnts and laws, and it also produces monsters like serial killers like mentioned above. My own opinion is that not one single person on this planet is bad or good. It is our own life experiences that make us believe in surtain things, thaht make us percieve the world in our own way. In their lives people develop very different and very opposing ethical and moral views and habits. At the same time many of them have the same natal aspects in their charts.

To conclude this excursion let me say this. Most individuals, have a "normal" life where most of the possibilities for positive peronal growth are possible. Even if we consider people living in the poorer part of the world, that would seem an unacceptable place for us to live. However in their perception its a reallity and they cope with it in a way they still become good, honest and normal people. On the other if we take a look at serial killers as we mentioned them quite a few times or other nutcases and monsters like Hitler for example. Now i bet all of these people had a really messed up life from their childhood onwards. The potential of their natals never came to be or perhaps it manifested itself in a perverse and negative way. That could probably very easily happen with some of the very potent conjunctions who can produce some very interesting outcomes when we talk about peronality of a individual.

Lets really take Hitler for example. Now we all know the childhood we had, if someone doesn't than google it and it will make sense why he turned out the way he did.Later on he very much wanted to become an artist, a painter, and he had some talent . However he was rudely refused by all of the art schools. I guess he didn't have the talent they expected lol. For a messed up young peron that was probably a drop over the edge so after that i am pretty sure he started to live in his own little world which later as we all know came to be in realitty as well. He did actually blame the whole social and political establishment of that time for his misfortune. And we know the rest of the story.

So i say this, natals are an image of what we can become, but on the end our own lives decide how much of that potential we'll become a reallity and especially in what way

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Are we all capable of violence?
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/magazine/8043688.stm ~

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march 17th 1942 .. john wayne gacy ..
( natal merc makes a couple of squares .. )

haven't seen a totaly 'clean' chart from one's i've looked at ..
( i.e. no 'hard' aspects at all )
recorded times of birth are a rarity in anycase ..

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posted May 14, 2009 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a bad person with an easy life and over indulgence in the field of laziness with a fantastic chart.

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Coffee
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posted May 14, 2009 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent

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