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nick76
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posted May 14, 2009 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nick76     Edit/Delete Message
cowerdnes in the chart,how u ditected?

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blue moon
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posted May 14, 2009 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Say what?

Cowardice in the chart, how do you find it?

X Trine Y = Coward.

It doesn't really work like that, you need to see the larger picture and synthesise all the different parts of the chart.

Your world view is also going to slant your interpretation. If you think peace-loving conflict resolvers should stand up and counted and stop messing around, you will be more inclined to slap the label coward on the gentle Water, Venus/Neptune and Libran type of chart.

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nick76
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posted May 14, 2009 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nick76     Edit/Delete Message
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Peri
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posted May 14, 2009 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
hard to say Nick, I dont think you can see in the chart?

p.s. love your 'mda'

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posted May 14, 2009 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
i diasgree

i think u can see that in chart...

weak mars might be a sign of coward person

eg mars square neptune or mars square sun

similarly and over emphaisized mars can show an overly aggressive person

eg mars in first house.

and similaly mars square pluto may show cruel person, mars trine pluto may show courage, and i dunnu mars opposite pluto, or mar in detrmienta sign, in a weak house, or unaspected may show weak person

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posted May 14, 2009 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
mars opposite pluto here - i am not a cruel person

I know two mars in cancer (detriment) people they are very far from being weak

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emma_duncan
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posted May 14, 2009 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
i said "may"

and it depends..wwht houses are these in....and those may show weakness areas

i have noticed mars in 1st house or pluto in first house are v brave and sometimes aggressive''

so i am thinking it may show effect...and we cant conclude something dznt have an effect just by one example....we all are speculating here....none of us is speaking out of statistical study

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blue moon
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posted May 14, 2009 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
May? So you can't say for sure then.

Sun Square Mars is more likely to be an aggressive and confrontational person. Try collecting a few more examples and you will see what I mean, there are plenty in my family so I don't have to look far.

Like any tense aspect, it can be channelled into dynamic achievement, using it to its best, using it in an environment that suits it well. There is free will part in astrology, it's the self-improvement we are all striving for - saying I have Sun/Mars so I can't help being bad-tempered and rude all the time is a complete cop out. Insert any other aspect or sign placement for similar example, why not this one, I know a couple of these easy-going types:-


Mars in Libra can be the man who says: can we stop arguing please and talk it out without raising our voices. Or he can be the man who runs away from situations he would be better facing up to because he doesn't want the unpleasantness.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted May 14, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
mars in libra
good thing i have it.
it tames my fire a bit.

seeing both sides of the story makes agrueing hard.

it really does.

and i really do heat raised voices. alot. good call bm

by no means am i cowardly though. standing up for myself orothers i love is not a problem.

ouch. i have run from unpleaseant situations dont want to deal with. well walk is better word. and there are things i would rather not know. for sure.
i choose my battles wisely and dont back down though. a lot of things arent worth argueing about.

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Azalaksh
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posted May 14, 2009 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
'zat you, sd09??
How's things going with you??

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted May 15, 2009 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message
I would think perhaps a restriction on the drive of Mars from saturn so possible mars square or opposite saturn..

bravery is linked to Mars Chiron so anybody with those should have the ability to stand up.

I think cowardice is more linked to insecurity and over moral fiber within the person .. not necesarily a bad placed mars or negatively aspected. look at jupiter as well.

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posted May 15, 2009 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 15, 2009 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Mars in Pisces are caring and compassionate, they don't go around getting in people's faces as a rule. But if they feel justified and they kick off.... duck and hide!

Two of those Sun/Mars types in my family have Mars in Pisces. Placid temperements both, but when they lose it they have the worst tempers I have ever seen. More implosion than explosion but I get out of the way. Trouble is, they are going to be absolutely right in what they are angry about.

Mars in Libra - one of my friends with this got angry with me once. One of two times he ever lost his temper in his life, he told me. I just sat there like a little girl, because I knew he was absolutely justified.

C-E-W says it's about picking your fights, I think there's something in it. Even looking around LL you can see this in action, some people will argue over anything, just for the sake of it, others just don't want to be around that kind of confrontation.

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posted May 15, 2009 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
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Mars in Pisces are caring and compassionate, they don't go around getting in people's faces as a rule. But if they feel justified and they kick off.... duck and hide!

Two of those Sun/Mars types in my family have Mars in Pisces. Placid temperements both, but when they lose it they have the worst tempers I have ever seen. More implosion than explosion but I get out of the way. Trouble is, they are going to be absolutely right in what they are angry about.

Mars in Libra - one of my friends with this got angry with me once. One of two times he ever lost his temper in his life, he told me. I just sat there like a little girl, because I knew he was absolutely justified.

C-E-W says it's about picking your fights, I think there's something in it. Even looking around LL you can see this in action, some people will argue over anything, just for the sake of it, others just don't want to be around that kind of confrontation.


It's nice to hear something nice said about Mars in Pisces. A lot of people mistake kindness for weakness/wishy-washy behaviour.

I'm hardly ever a coward, and I don't blame my Mars in Pisces - I just know that the rushes of anxiety occasionally do me in. I don't like to argue - my mother recently told me that she respects the fact that I can usually see whatever's behind someone's anger (and, therefore, not feel the need to tear into them in return) - but I will do my best to stand up for what I believe in, if I feel the need to say anything at all... I'm occasionally too blunt, though. I wish I could say that I always choose my battles wisely, but...

*edit - Oh, and I don't think that anxiety sufferers are cowards - quite the opposite, in fact (Ive dealt with anxiety attacks for almost thirty years now). When I wrote the above post, I was thinking of one specific incident in my own life...

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posted May 15, 2009 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i have done some cruel things.

and my mars is not afflicted.

sextile pluto.

i can be a coward, and i can very brave.

depends at times.

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Aya_and_baby
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posted May 15, 2009 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message
If the chart is a representation of our personality, and cowardice is part of our personality, then you can definitely see it in the chart.


But cowardice has many reasons. What do you personally see as cowardice and if you see it in others, is it actually cowardice, or just cowardice in your eyes? There are most likely many markers for cowardice in a chart, but when you narrow them down to the reason why a person acts cowardly then you'll find some sort of pattern in those charts.


Generally I would have to agree that trines could cause one sort of cowardice. It wants peace and quiet and certainly won't be assertive, so hence would be more coward-like. Or perhaps more intelligent than all us Aries-influenced people who head-on into trouble.

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and similaly mars square pluto may show cruel person

Hey, I'm not cruel! Just painfully honest sometimes. Honestly, with me being a Pluto square Mars and both my parents having it too, I can only say from experience that the only thing this aspect does, is channel your violent energy into one single thing. And it takes a long time before the right buttons are pushed but when they are pushed, hell is unleashed.

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posted May 15, 2009 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message
i have mars in Libra and i'm not a coward. i just prefer not to escalate things further in to worse situations than they already are. but once i'm pushed over my limit, i completely lose it. it's happened a couple of times with various different people, where my voice is raised so loud they've had to tell me to quieten down, as they did not expect me to be so upfront and aggresive, and the slaps i've given have pretty much left a mark they'll never forget.

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posted May 15, 2009 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I think that judging things like cowardness are judgments based on the ego and our perception of duality that involve ego form identification.


I don't believe that things like cowardice and bravery can be seen in a chart.


hard Mars square Neptune aspects don't have to be cowards. they can even fight for their ideals to the point of sacrifice......depending on the person

I have Mars square Neptune myself.


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posted May 15, 2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
What is cowardice and bravery anyway?

I think we've all done some cowardly things in our lives, AND very brave things as well.

Anyway if cowardice=running away from a physical fight, I guess I'm a coward. I'm a lover, not a fighter (Venus in Pisces :]). However, I do stand up for what I think and believe in.

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Aya_and_baby
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posted May 15, 2009 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, I'm a lover too... but I easily get into fights (I can be feisty).

Which is mostly to my own detriment. So like I said before, probably those "cowards" are much more intelligent than those who don't turn down a fight ever.

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nick76
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posted May 16, 2009 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nick76     Edit/Delete Message
alkalsh yes,k i guees ,U

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lalalinda
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posted May 16, 2009 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think you can categorize cowardice by aspect or placement alone but a Rx Mars has a difficult time going the distance with aggression. They're somewhat passive.

seeing stars, no on the Saturn/Mars conjunction or opposition.
(but it's much better to have Saturn before Mars)

edited: oops square instead of conjunct.

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posted May 16, 2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
What is cowardice and courage?

I think it can be best summed up as: "the meek are not always weak and the strong are sometimes wrong"

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