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Topic: Horary Question
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Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 03:53 PM
Maybe a prize for whoever gets it right. You win not only a personalised poem from CPN, but also an unannounced mystery prize.The question is: When will I have sex? The normal person to person kind. Do you use 5th or 8th (or even something else) or sex? For that to happen, I need to have 1st got a job, and second, moved out this town. Considering I have been unemployed for some time, an answer of a few days, few weeks, maybe even months is not goo. Quite possibly years, is more likely. I guess the answer never is also possible. A personal question, as much as a question regarding timing with horary. How do you do timing? Do you assume this is a natal chart and follow transits from then? Do you take the degree diference and use that as a guide for days/weeks/months/years? What do you do? IP: Logged |
Kismet* Knowflake Posts: 299 From: Venus Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:10 PM
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Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:15 PM
Taking 1 and 8 as the sigs.1st is Pluto, which squares Venus, ruler of 12 and 7. 12th house is organisations/societies/crime/rest etc. To me, Pluto has just moved out of trine with Venus and applying to square, which doesnt seem too good where I (1st house-self) am concerned. Pluto (Me) is seperated from a square to Uranus, which rules the 4th of family/father/home. Having mentioned about moving, I guess that is where it is indicated. The aspect from Pluto to Mercury (1st to 8th) is a seperating Qunicunx, which is not the best aspect, but moving towards Mercury, rather than moving away. At this point, Im not too sure how to go about predicting. I like the idea of a horary as a basic natal which is there to predict in the same way as a natal. What do you reckon? IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:16 PM
Kismet, that is how I understand it to be, but of course, always check my own ways Horary prediction needs a lot of work. Not really sure. IP: Logged |
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 155 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:40 PM
coffee why are you pluto? I thought it is more common to use mars for the ruler of scorpio in the horary..IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:50 PM
(cough cough cough, nasty old cough)Pluto is ruler of Scorpio. The "rules" you speak of, Im guessing, were made by well respected astrologers of the time. I will say that again....of the time. Many years ago. People still follow these rules. A time when the outer planets didnt exist in the knowledge of Man (or what we think) That was fine then. Just imagine if astrologers actually used the "correct" rulers of planets? What would that say about the legends of past? They were doing it wrong? If it is the present rulers and not the traditional rulers we should use, there are planety of reasons to not want to use the present ones, if you understand. IP: Logged |
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 155 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 04:57 PM
In a cardinal sign and angular house, time is in days; in a cardinal sign and succedent house, time is in weeks; in a cardinal sign and cadent house, time is in months. If the Significator is in a fixed sign and angular house, time is in months; in a fixed sign and succedent house, time is in years; in a fixed sign and cadent house, time is unknown. If the Signifcator is in a mutable sign and angular house, time is in weeks; in a mutable sign and succedent house, time is in months; in a mutable sign and cadent house, time is in years.According to this rule,mars(coffee)will have sex in a 3 weeks time because mars will sextile jupiter(an opportunity) in 3 deg. I know my answer is very amateurish..Im not an expert this is only a guess,but who knows maybe Im right Plus moon will conjunct mercury and square jupiter and will sextile uranus before changing sign.. Im waiting news from you in 3 weeks coffee.. IP: Logged |
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 155 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 05:01 PM
O ok then.. youre pluto IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 297 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 05:19 PM
Repost the chart with Regiomontanus houses then we'll talkIP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2009 06:32 PM
You will do no talking with me young/old lady person. Even the name puts me off it! Regiohippapotamus. Thanks for that VenusMars. Good information. When you use Pluto as me, much as it can be annoying, makes it a little more difficult. Just passed from Quincunx. How many is that?
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Izo Knowflake Posts: 120 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 02:31 AM
The Ascendant is in the last 3 degrees of the sign, making the chart invalid. It's too late for you now. You need to treat that STD, then ask. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 705 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 02:33 AM
Izo Yes you will, Coffee. It will be out of the blue. IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 09:55 AM
Izo, I heard it can also mean " I already know the answer" which is less of a cop-out than your reply. When? I take Pluto as me, Mercury as sex (8th ruled) What do you think about the timing on that. IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 297 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 12:13 PM
Horary is not psychological astrology. It's an old art (which is why most horary astrologers use OLD rulers, not new rulers), and the greatest horary astrologer (Lily) used Regiomontanus houses. Houses are VERY important in horary (obviously), so using whole sign houses and equal houses are a mistake. Horary demands accurate results... psychological astrology has room for vague interpretations and whatever, but there's no room for that crap in horary which is why it's so regimented and has so many rules. Medieval horary astrologers got accurate results using old rulers and Regiomontanus houses, why fix it if it ain't broke?IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 909 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 12:55 PM
i agree with amowls...IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 12:55 PM
Exactly! Why use old rulers when new ones work? New information, such as planets (just one tiny detail of astrology) is a very good reason to change based on new information. Can you tell me why we should use Regio-thingy? Something not based on the standing of astrologers or how many books they published, or how respected they were. Why do YOU use it? IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 345 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:13 PM
Not any time soon if you spend all day pouring over astrology charts, arguing with women in different time zones about the values of Whole House signs to Placidus. IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 909 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:20 PM
lol blue.IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:21 PM
Your answer, Blue Moon, is that you have no idea? Is that it?Any contribution and ongoing discussion is welcome. Pointless comments less so. IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 909 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:25 PM
id guess you'd have sex when ruler of your 5th/8th was being aspected...i'd prefer to see real actual transits/SR too.. lol. save your sexual energy on love/relationship, not just anyone.IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:30 PM
Thanks Write, but you are preaching to the master in that regard. The last 10 years of transits have not reflected what has happened, lets say It would be useful, but just concentrating on the horary. Just for interest, 1-8 is Uranus Qunicunx Mercury, seperating a few degrees. On previous occasions regarding sexual relations, Mercury aspected itself. IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 345 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:31 PM
You know the rules and you know the answer. Use ancient or modern rulers, Whole Signs or Placidus. You will get the same answer. And you won't like it. Try another chart in 6 months time, maybe your luck will have changed. That is if you believe in Horary at all, the chart you have drawn up suggests an idle question rendering the whole exercise invalid. So in that case my answer isn't pointless at all. Forget the charts and do something that will get you what you want. IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 909 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:35 PM
coffee. all gotta be masters at something..IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 528 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:43 PM
Sure do.If you use modern/new rulerships, you will not come up with the same answer. I could goto a problem page on the web, but seen as though I am interested in the astrology of it, I thought posting it here was better. Can we discuss the astrology and not what should be discussed on a problem page? Please? Much as I know all about my situation and have told you about it (see 1st post) - I have an interest in the timing aspect of horary. Any more with valid contributions regarding the astrology? IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 909 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2009 01:55 PM
i wish i could help more with actual real horary insights...i will try to read it like a natal chart...with whole signs... i would think when venus/mars are in taurus...so probably when sun is in cancer.IP: Logged |