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savanna20
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posted June 10, 2009 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message
Like what you do, inspires them and motivates them to do the same?

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Lucia23
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posted June 10, 2009 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Among others:
-their North Node tightly conjunct your South Node, and vice versa
-North Node-Jupiter contacts

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posted June 10, 2009 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,
how about SN/jupiter conjunct exact? Would the SN person have a lot of influence over the jupiter person please?

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posted June 10, 2009 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
With Jupiter conjunct, square, or trine the North Node, the Jupiter person represents what the NN person needs to feel more happy/fulfilled/expansive/realized in his-her life, so the Jupiter person can seem very exciting, admirable, and inspiring to the Node person.

With Jupiter conjunct the South Node, I would guess that the Node person would feel a sense of comfort, fun, and familiarity with the Jupiter person--a kind of fellow-traveller, partner-in-crime feel.

In my experience, the Node person feels Node-planet/asteroid contacts...both people feel Node/angle and Node/Sun-Moon midpoint contacts...BUT if you have, say, SN/Jupiter, the Jupiter person will respond to the SN person's response to him. Check especially for double-whammy Node stuff.

In either case, though other aspects in the chart might complicate or darken the situation, Node-Jupiter contacts (with either Node) contribute to a sense of liking each other.

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Lara
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posted June 10, 2009 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
So interesting, thank you

We do have a DW. It is his SN that conjuncts my jupiter and My SN conjuncts his IC exact.

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posted June 10, 2009 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,

what if his SN conjuncts my NN by 2deg.,
also my NN is conjunct his venus, and his SN is conjunct my mars. Then hypothetically what is he & I supposed to feel??

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posted June 10, 2009 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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what if his SN conjuncts my NN by 2deg.,
also my NN is conjunct his venus, and his SN is conjunct my mars. Then hypothetically what is he & I supposed to feel??

The SN/NN conjunction: I have noticed a few different things with this.
-a feeling of karmic connection/rapport if supported by the rest of the chart
-you each admire things about the other that you may feel are challenging for you or lacking in your own life
-this can make the relationship a bit of a see-saw, where one person is obsessed while the other isn't, and then vice-versa...but in a strong relationship, it can also provide exciting balance
-you can learn a lot from each other, mutually...this aspect often contributes to a feeling of mutual connectedness

Node-Venus:
-this can actually be challenging. The Node person can feel very attached to the Venus person one-sidedly, unless there are mitigating aspects in the chart....for you two, the NN-SN conjunction and Node-Mars would mean this would not be one-sided....the Venus person can seem either too elusive or too cloying romantically to the NN person, yet the NN person feels "hooked" to the Venus person
-SN conjunct Mars (NN opp Mars) means the way the Mars person gets angry and his knee-jerk reactions seem natural and familiar to the Node person

All of these aspects can, I think, contribute to feeling attracted and connected, but they are not unchallenging.

Lara--is there an expansive, fun, Jupiterian feeling in the relationship?

The SN-IC conjunction would lead to a very mutual feeling of connectedness/importance of the relationship. That doesn't necc. mean long-term involvement, but that the relationship has a huge impact on each of your inner lives.

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posted June 10, 2009 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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Lucia23
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posted June 10, 2009 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone with nodal connections also has a huge, complicated mess of other aspects, contacts, and dynamics in their charts. I've noticed in reading synastry of people I know, and discussing their experiences/feelings with each partner, that nodes tend to "hook" onto a planet in the other's chart, while the planet person doesn't always have that fated feeling.

But also, most people in the world are strangers who will never meet, and just based on statistics--the finite number of house/planet contacts and combinations, the fact that every chart between every two people has house overlays even if they will never meet or their relationship is very one-sided--the vast majority of synastry between people will never be activated. The majority of people in the world never meet.

With celebrities, as one example, often a person will NEVER HAVE MET a celebrity--but the synastry between them does not indicate that. An astrologer who didn't know the details would read it just like the synastry between two people who lived together intimately.

I have been looking in charts to see if I can find a consistent, empirically substantiable way to gage this kind of one-sidedness in the chart. So far, it seems that extra-astrological issues must be considered also (age, sex, sexuality, class, cultural background and situation, the context of the relationship.)

That said, among my close friends and people I read for, the node person feels like the other person has a fated, important, integral "lesson" role to play in his/her life, based on the planet the node contacts and what it rules and signifies. The planet person does not seem to usually feel that back in that way, except in node-angle, double-whammy, and node-node contacts. This all has to be considered carefully within the context of the rest of the chart.

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posted June 10, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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I don’t care if they are mildly affected

There was a guy in high school who was a friend of a friend who I only briefly met--I don't think I knew his name. When we were in our late twenties, my friend mentioned that she had just seen a bunch of people from back then, and that this guy had said he was "madly in love" with me, and he had known all these things about me and stayed obsessed with me years later. I am still not even sure I have the right guy in mind, but he had no impact on me then. The minor impact of hearing thirdhand years later about his obsession was kind of me "feeling" whatever synastry we had...but I'm sure if an astrologer looked at the two charts, they would be able to read a much more in depth, complex relationship than we had.

There are lots of connections like that in life--connections that might be very different in a different context (like if I'd been trapped in a prison cell with the same guy for 8 years.) I know some astrologers believe that your total fate with someone can be seen in the chart, but I've only ever seen people do that backward, finding "evidence" of what already happened. What I think great astrologers can do very well is read charts in the context of someone's life to help that person gain insight about reality.

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posted June 11, 2009 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
When I've done tarot readings, I often look at people's charts with an exact birthtime, so I've had the interesting experience of getting to not only read for both halves of a couple and check their synastry, but also to read for several pairs of people where one person has an unrequited crush/attraction/obsession with the other (it comes up in the readings, which are confidential and always private) and the other has no interest back.

There can be many reasons for this...I'll stay very abstract to keep everyone's privacy...but, for example, in one case Person A was crazy about Person B, a work colleague (they are both in the film industry)...they had never hung out socially, but had known each other for two years. Person A thought that they had a mutual attraction. Person B had two (other) lovers, never mentioned person A during any of our 1.5 hour tarot readings all about his attractions and love life. He's one of those guys who seems to only date models, and Person A is overweight and less conventionally attractive, rich, and successful than he is...if he does feel any attraction for Person A, he has not pursued it at all and it was not on his mind when he asked about his love life, even though he has asked about several women he was not (yet) involved with.

In their charts, her North Node is conjunct his Venus (2 degrees), and her Venus is conjunct his Sun. If they were trapped alone together in a jail cell for 6 years, we would probably see much more happen between them mutually! As is, he probably "feels" astrological contacts with people he is intimate with or cares about more than with work colleagues.

You know, if you throw the charts of two random strangers or people who are just acquaintences on astro.com, sometimes they have more SoulMate aspects than longterm couples--I've tried this! It plays out so differently based on everyone's situation...and then even within more equal relationships, there are imbalances in synastry, as those of us who have been the Sun person in a Sun-Saturn square relationship know.

I think the following things are most important in seeing how someone will relate to you:
-real life and what's going on--a chart is a great MAP, not the territory
-then looking at the natal and how it relates to what's going on in real life and how the person is manifesting his/her chart
-then looking at synastry, progressions, transits etc to see how they effect the person/people

Not to say you can't glean lots of great info reading for strangers and knowing nothing of their situation.

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posted June 11, 2009 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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And if people are like permanent transits, then what's the difference?

The difference is that we all feel the transits in the sky!!!

But we don't all feel our synastry with every last person in the world...we don't meet most of them ever, and when we do we don't always engage with them, and even when we do that, we might be more connected to others and feel their role in our lives much more intensely.

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posted June 11, 2009 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lucia,

well in my case there;
1) Definately felt fated, upon meeting me he's had dreams about me asap.
2) It was obvious there was mutual attraction. However, I couldnt tell you who's feelings were more intense...as I only met him for 2 days working abroad, so that kinda came to an end.

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posted June 11, 2009 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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It was obvious there was mutual attraction. However, I couldnt tell you who's feelings were more intense...as I only met him for 2 days working abroad, so that kinda came to an end.

Yeah, in my experience that NN/SN conjunction activates QUICKLY, creating a sort of magnet effect. 'Cause it's a double whammy. Sometimes, depending on what's happening, one person will approach and the other will avoid, and it will flip around over the course of the relationship. When both people connect equally who have this aspect, I think those moments feel memorable, inspiring, and wonderful to both of them.

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posted June 11, 2009 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you! Interesting. Well, somehow these two people take lots of interest in the activities I do, yet, I'm not interested in theirs. It's weird...lol.

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posted June 12, 2009 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Aspects are two way things, both parties feel it.

Points/axis person is passive and receptive.
Planet person is active.

Points/axis person inspires the help of the planet person to assist and uses the planet person's energy for their purpose. Planet person senses this inspiration and acts, they are the initiator of actions after a lure.

Example: Mars conj ASC. ASC person loves Mars' energy and attention and seeks this out and Mars acts out by chasing. ASC receptively accepts this energy.

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posted June 12, 2009 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
But what about in situations where one person cares alot about the other and feels enormous attraction and interest, while the other hardly notices and is deeply not interested?

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posted June 12, 2009 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I've discussed this with you before, look to house overlay. The planet person intends or subconsciously acts what they desire from the house person by which house they stick the planet it. The house person will feel and act accordingly but planet* person often can feel nothing.

Aspects are definitely felt by both parties.

* edited - word slippage.

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posted June 12, 2009 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
23, I always thought it was the house person that felt it more than the planet person.

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posted June 12, 2009 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, the above was to read that the planet person can often feel nothing.

Re SN-Jupiter conjunction. I have this with Mr 23. Some of his philosophies and religious convictions are definitely spent with me. Either, there is a familiar joy between us. When we met, it was as if he was a friend that I knew for quite a while.

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posted June 17, 2009 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
What about venus SQUARE nodes??

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posted June 17, 2009 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
You need to know about squares. Normally wor in the opposite way to better aspects like conjunctions.

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posted June 17, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Connections are always two ways, but the differences lies on what planets are being aspected, and also what does those planets mean in each person's own charts.

Someone can have his/her Moon on my Mars, but if my Mars is badly aspected, I might just find this person's emotions annoying whenever these emotions activates my Mars' side.
Someone can have his/her Sun on my 8th house, that I'd just see him/her as too hard to get or too complex that makes me run away, if my 8th house isn't really meaningful for me.

Astrology aside.. while someone might love the way I am, I might find his/her way not that interesting. Someone might find my radical ideas really charming (imagine Uranus/Venus conjunction), that I can find them too radical for my taste.

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