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scrappydog
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posted June 15, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
Heres some of our synastry:

Sun opposite Chiron DW
My moon conj his mars in his 5th and my 8th(1 deg)
My moon opposite his saturn
My moon square his pluto(0)
My moon trine his asc
My venus conj his asc in his 1st
My venus trine his mars
My venus opposite his jupiter
My venus square his neptune(1)
My venus square his nodes
His sun square my asc(2)
His mars trine my asc
His venus square my mars(0)
His moon conj my jupiter in my 5th(1)
His moon conj my saturn DW
His mercury trine my sun pluto conj (2)
His venus square my uranus

It's feeling pretty intense, a little obsessive and very romantic/dreamy
Sun is also conj neptune(0) in composite

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Coffee
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posted June 15, 2009 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Terrible aspects. His to yours is better.

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
lol

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scrappydog
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posted June 15, 2009 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
LOL If it's so terrible why does it feel so good?

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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
My moon opposite his saturn
My moon square his pluto(0)
(hmmmmmmm....it seems that your Moon forms a t-square with his Saturn square Pluto...that could indicate emotional power struggles...there could be a possibility that you could end up feeling that he's controlling in some way.....moon oppose saturn can even end up feeling depressing because of emotional distance...it's known as wet blanket aspec)

My venus opposite his jupiter
My venus square his neptune(1)
(it seems that your Venus forms a t-square with his Jupiter square Neptune.....that can indicate stress,friction,conflict that involves the relationship being too idealistic with the possibility of deception,confusion)


t-squares tend to be red flags for significant problems in relationships.


There is also his Venus square your Uranus indicates the possibility of instability in relationship....as well as can be on again,off again.....it could also point to the relationship might not last long. The relationship can end just as suddenly as it begans suddenly. Independence issues could be involved. It could be change of partners too.

His Venus squares your Mars indicates the possibility of very passionate relationship
but Uranus involved, could indicate an unpredictable passionate relationship

if it's a t-square...if you have Venus square Mars-Uranus opposition, it can indicate significant challanges involving independence and instability.

but even Venus square Mars-Uranus conjunction can indicate that too, but the t-square is more challenging.


with your Moon trine Venus aspecting his Ascendant with your Moon trining it and your Venus conjuncting it, the relationship can feel good

the t-squares can really overpower that configuration


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scrappydog
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posted June 15, 2009 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
The venus square uranus is wide. I agree that moon saturn can be a bit controlling and repressive, but it's so BINDING, it can also feel safe and secure. I've had this with every single man i've ever been serious about. About the t square, ya he has it natally mars opposite saturn both squaring pluto, I know this can be a very harsh configuration, my moon conj his mars and ties in closely with it

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Kismet*
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posted June 15, 2009 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I agree that moon saturn can be a bit controlling and repressive, but it's so BINDING, it can also feel safe and secure. I've had this with every single man i've ever been serious about."

so why aren't you with those men now? How long were you in relationships with those men. Why did your relationship end with them.

also what aspect were the Moon-Saturn aspects.

The opposition can be very hard....then Pluto is involved for a t-square. It may feel very unstable and harsh compared to a Moon-Saturn aspect alone.

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comica23
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posted June 15, 2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
LOL If it's so terrible why does it feel so good?

lol try my synastry, that has 2 t-squares involving his Saturn conjunct my Pluto/opposes my Mars/squares my Jupiter and His Venus opposes my Sun/squares my Neptune, without much aspects to each other's personal planets (maybe our best aspect is our opposed ACs and some other stuffs around lol). XP And yeah it still feels good after 3 and almost half years.

Have you tried to look at the composite yet?

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
could venus sq neptune be clouding your judgement?

ie. rose-coloured glasses?

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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

T-squares can indicate a strong attraction, but a lot of friction.

I just wonder how many longterm marriages have these t-squares...especially involving Mars,Saturn,and outerplanets.


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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"could venus sq neptune be clouding your judgement?

ie. rose-coloured glasses?"

Good point. I was afraid to say anything about it. I did point out that the synastry Venus,Jupiter,Neptune t-square that they have can indicate challenges involving too much idealism.


They also have Sun conjunct Neptune in composite which can also indicate a highly idealistic relationship.

You always have to be careful with hard Neptune aspects in synastry or composite because there be a lot of idealism which could be complicated with confusion and deception. The main thing is that Neptune's ultimate target state is about selfless love,oneness. It's not about ego gratification. Sun conjunct Neptune can indicate the dissolution of the ego in the relationship. There can be no room for selfishness in the relationship but only unconditional love,compassion,and devotion or else the relationship will have problems.

Raymond

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comica23
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posted June 15, 2009 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
But well, about those t-squares in my synastry.. although I didn't think that they were big issues, they are kinda annoying when the conflicts plays out.. Sometimes, I get annoyed by his critical Saturn that doesn't know how to relax and enjoy, while he thinks that I'm impulsive and immature about the things I do and how I do. Also, sometimes I feel confused about his love for me, and also about his tastes and likes/dislikes.
I guess that balance, patience and understanding, and specially compassion to each other are the keys to solve and understand these conflicts.

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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

what are the orbs of those t-squares?

another thing too...watch out for hard (conjunction,opposition,square) transits to those t-squares, that's when significant challenges tend to come up.

His Saturn Return could play a major role in your relationship with his Saturn involved in t-square with your chart.

That's one of the reasons shared experience transits are important.


one of the reasons that a synastry opposition can be a hard is that a transiting planet squares both those planets for a t-square, and that adds friction to both planets, exacerbating the challenges of the opposing two planets.


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Coffee
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posted June 15, 2009 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
T squares are present in relationships where people fall in love the most deeply.

Any examples where something else is not present to show the deep love?

Not a very accurate judgement, despite it being an observation.

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Coffee
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posted June 15, 2009 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
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comica23
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posted June 15, 2009 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
lol rose-colored glasses. XP Well, what I can tell is that this t-square manifested in a way in which at the beginning, I was often confused about his feelings and feeling insecure, while this might have made him feel that his love/affection wasn't enough for me (him not sure what he could do). Of course this wasn't easy, but well, eventually we learn about each other more and more. I confess that I still get confused about his likes/dislikes every now and then, but we try to be understanding and patient for each other.

In the composite, we have sweet Moon square Neptune, with Moon conjunct my natal Sun. Insecurity (from my side) has always been the number 1 problem, but yeah, just as Glaucus said, it's about unconditional, selfless love, which I'm beginning to understand recently.
But well, at least we have some sweet composite aspects and also the problem-solver aspect, Moon sextile Chiron. X3

My relationship, just like many others, has both good and bad sides. I won't say with 100% sure that things will always work out, yet as long as we love each other, as long as there's still happiness and that the problems seems workable, it's worth of trying.
But yeah, it's important to keep realistic.

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scrappydog
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posted June 15, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond, With my 1st husband my moon was opposite his saturn and and his moon was square my saturn-this was my 1st love, we met when I was 12, we had on on off relationship untill I was 18 then we married, divorced at 22 and he has been my best friend ever since- it's been 17 years now. He still says he loves me, I have Major karma with this man. 2nd husband my moon conj his saturn, 5 yr relationship, we parted well and still care for eachother. In both relationships I left them.

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comica23
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posted June 15, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus, yeah you're right, transits might be specially meaningful since they would be affecting both.

By the way, you already took a look at my synastry back then, and gave some nice insights. ^_^

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posted June 15, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
Could venus square neptune be clouding my judgment? Ofcourse! Smile.

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Kismet*
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posted June 15, 2009 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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scrappydog
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posted June 15, 2009 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
I agree Kismet. I know tons of men I have really positive, harminous synastry with and I couldn't be with any cause they bore the socks off me! I need passion and intensity. Thats another thing about synastry too, is that you have to look at each of the natals to see what each person needs and wants individually.

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Glaucus
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posted June 15, 2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Well if T squares are so problematic, other aspects wouldn't matter as much would they? It seems that if we are going to single it out, why bring other factors into play?"

They tend to be problematic, but that doesn't mean that any other aspects wouldn't matter. I don't get that conclusion.

T-squares are very challenging because they indicate combined internal and external challenge that involve much friction and stress.

they can become even more challenging when they are activated by transits....especially if a planet forms a grand cross to the synastry t-square.

isolated squares (squares that aren't involved in t-squares nor grand crosseses) can actually be good for stimulation,action


They are not as challenging as a t-square because it's not a symmetrical pattern involving more than 2 objects in hard aspects.

no aspect will mitigate another aspect. no aspect pattern will mitigate another aspect pattern. they all work together. so if half the chart has challenges and half the chart has ease, then the chart will be mix with challenges and ease

if a chart has both a grand trine and a t-square, then that indicates both great challenges and great ease in their lives in one form or another.


but definitely t-squares tend to be problematic in a synastry in one way or another


another thing too...I use tighter orbs for t-squares

many western astrologers tend to use larger orbs for t-squares even with outer planets.

I merely shrug when synastry t-squares involve aspects that are beyond 4 degree orb...especially if they involve outerplanets.


there is a high divorce rate in many countries. If t-square are in involved in many couples' synastry, there could be major challenges in the relationships. That could be where the high divorce rate comes from. There are also factors like hard Saturn and outerplanet aspects.
Even kuiper belt objects could come to play, but those require much smaller orbs like no more than 30 minutes of arc because they are generational.

having t-squares in a chart are not the same thing as having isolated squares in a synastry either


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posted June 15, 2009 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus,

Going back to neptune/venus SQUARE 1 degree... look at these offshoots.

My venus conj his asc
My venus opposite his jupiter
My venus square his neptune(1)
My venus square his nodes
My venus trine his mars
His mars trine my asc
His sun square my asc(2)

Thayts one hell of a pattern!!
venus/AC conjunct opposing jupiter. squaring neptune/NN/SN trines his mars that trines her AC that square his sun

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