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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted June 18, 2009 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Kismet,

I understand how you feel. I've been where you are. There are so many things that I could say but I'll try to keep it brief as I am falling asleep.

There is nothing that will be revealed to you if God didn't want you to know it. That's the danger in any kind of prognostication art. We begin to believe that we know everything, whether our ego is engaged or our naivity, it doesn't matter which. God created astrology and all other tools that he/she/it designed to help us grow and answer some of the questions that we have.

I thoroughly believe that astrology is in God's Holy First Aid Kits along with prayer, church/community, music, science, love, wisdom.

Sometimes I have to put the astrology away and many psychics can tell you that they don't walk around all day with their psychic "channel" open because it's entirely too painful. So this is my most gentle feedback, put the charts down for a while. I do. I sometimes begin translating all kinds of things just as I'm walking down the street and I literally have to tell myself out loud that I'm in control of my mind and everything does not have to translate back to astrology.

The same thing happened when I was studying music 24 hours a day, just like any other language, you start dreaming in that language and thinking in that language. It probably just means that you need a break. It's definitely all right to put this stuff down for a while, to ground yourself.

It's times like that when I'm grateful that my father was a great big non-spiritual, non-church going man who told me very young that when I die, there is no heaven and no hell. You're just dead, that's it. Well, it scared the living daylights out of me as a 4 year old, but whenever this new-age world gets to be too overwhelming, it's very easy for me to adopt my father's attitude in order to just ground myself in some mundane reality. I find that it's really about grounding. Sometimes we need to tell the fairies and the angels to bug off for a while you mop the floor, change the baby's diapers, scrub the greasy pans, take out the garbage and scrub the toilet.

Put the charts down for as long as you need to. Even this frustration you're having about astrology is teaching you something valuable. Don't be afraid to test reality after all, it's testing you, that mean old Saturn. But don't put him down, he'll help you put the astrology down for a while.

Have a good night.

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Lucia23
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posted June 18, 2009 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Aw, hugs to you! I know the feeling, and GV has given some great advice.

I think you should do it the way I make my diet healthier when I have to--instead of taking away things I crave, I just ADD things (lots of broccoli, arugula, kale.)

Instead of forcing yourself to give up astrology, just ease up on it when you can, and instead, ADD more ways/moments in your life where you feel connected with God/your soul/the universe/the experience of love. What small burden can you let go of? What are some ways you can enjoy the moment?

Your spirituality is likely to be growing and transforming--you may have to expand your notion of God and make it larger and more infinite.

My problem is how I use astrology, not the fact that I use it. But I am so immersed in that way of thinking that I'll need a break soon, too. I love GV's analogy about studying music 24/7. Any one way of thinking or lens to see the world through can get confining, and we need to switch it up as much as we can, experience new approaches, and reconnect with spirituality.

(By the way, lots of atheists don't believe "there's no purpose in living"--that's nihilists, not atheists. Atheists often just don't believe in a simplistic, crude, human-like deity who lives "up above" and controls things. I know many mystical, life-loving atheists who have a complex view of the mysteries of the universe. I'm not an atheist but I see great value in shaking up and questioning my beliefs.)

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venusmars
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posted June 18, 2009 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusmars     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Kismet
I know how you feel.
I felt this way because of my dreams.
my dreams are very useful actually.I see dreams and they generally come true..It was a proof that I have a good 6th sense and it made me feel special.But nearly 10 years ago I began to dream negative things,like death of a family member or separations from boyfriends etc.
I lost the ability to enjoy the moment.
I hated sleeping.
Then I persuaded myself that Im an ordinary person with ordinary abilities.
I prayed the God to stop it.
Now I know every people actually dream and all of us may get some messages from those dreams but either they dont remember them in the morning or they dont know interpreting them and they dont care.
I started to ignore them..and they stopped.

Of course Im still dreaming and sometimes they are messages but now I dont remember most of them.Because I sleep in order to relax,not learning the future events..
I dont want to feel upset for the events that Im incapable of changing.

I sometimes want to give up studying astrology too.
There is noone in my family interested in astrology,They dont like it and believe it.
But it helped me understand myself and people around me,potentials etc..
But future predictions are not always true.
And remember there is always free will and there is God.

So astrology is helping me but it is not something the most necessary.Most people are living their lives without never knowing their rising signs or venus signs etc or people marry without knowing a thing about the synastry with their spouses.

Just have fun..dont take it too seriously..


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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
Can u post your chart so we analyze the reasons for your reactions? Just joking!

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Coffee
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posted June 18, 2009 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Kismet, what steps do you need to take in order to:

a) Stop using Astrology?
b) Regain a belief in God?

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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
On a more serious note, to go back to venusmars last point, i would say that i personally made the choice to not look too much into progression, transits, things like that. I mainly use astrology to understand myself. Sometimes in my day to day interactions, when i realise some actions i do or decisions i take, i can associate it with some aspects in my chart. This helps me a lot. I like astrology for this reason, it sumarise long talk in a couple of words.
But progressions and other tools like that to guess the future are not my cup of tea. Whatever happens happens; i dont want to control anything or try to, on that regard. Obviously i know where the planets are now, some aspects my natals planets but i try to accept it without having the meaning for these aspect in mind. I find it so complex when it comes to transits, like right now, uranus is aspecting my natal saturn, right, i know it, so this already means something to me without looking for it for too long, but then i dont go looking for how others transits are playing a part in this song because it s much tooooooo complex to get the real picture with all the transits and progressions involved. Add to it some insecurities, expectations and u end up making a pizza instead of a chocolate cake.
Also, i ve been insisistant on others to tell me their birthday and i would go look in my ephemeris to find out about them, until 2 respected friends, versed in esoteric sciences too, each following their path, one a mystic the other a gnostic told me that it was an obstacle to real life experience. The mystic showed me thatmy effect on people was negative when i let my drive to talk about astrology rule the conversation and the gnostic one simply helped me to see that many other paths lead to self knowledge and eventually enlightenment.

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AscTaurus
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posted June 18, 2009 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Why give it up at all.

If you find yourself addicted to astrology, it could be that you have an obsessive personality in the first place and being obsessed with Astrology is how it manifests itself.

Should you give up Astrology, I am certain that there is another obsession that you will be fixated on.

Again,I don't think that there is an error in understanding oneself and how oneself relates to others. I don't think that you can "give up" what you have learned about yourself and other people through astrology, all at once.

"Nothing IS unless thinking makes it so."-Anonymous

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Coffee
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posted June 18, 2009 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
You can study astrology to learn about yourself and others. Without it, you can ask questions and get a general feeling about people.

You can study astrology to learn what may lay ahead. Or you can just go through life and live it, without expectations.

Do you feel competent in using astrology to predict events and/or people?

Or is this more of a "I dont fully get it" choice?

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PeaceAngel
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posted June 18, 2009 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Kismet

I understand. I experienced the same thing and walked away from astrology completely for many many years.

I found that I was living quite dogmatically by it and that every movement was dictated by planetary or numerical influences and I just didn't want to live that way. So I walked away from astrology, numerology, all of it.

I returned to it a few years ago, and pulled out the old books and bought a couple of new ones. I thought astrology could help answer some questions about me and my path at that time. Actually, it seemed to find me more than the other way around. The timing was brilliant (of course). I'm careful now as to how I use it and how much I take in. I've always used it to help me learn about myself and that's pretty much how I limit it now as well. Sometimes I look at some synastry. Very infrequently, transits. That's about it.

It's like anything - taking a break helps give you clarity. What you need finds you at the right time. Just do what feels right to you.

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comica23
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posted June 18, 2009 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
The problem isn't in astrology itself - but our own inner demons. we often try to know and understand what we aren't actually prepared to hear (coz of our inner demons), so that's why we are troubled.

Some time ago, I've heard an interesting story. It's about a king that, before the birth of his son, heard from his trusted oracle that one day his son will kill him. At first, he didn't believe in it and tried to be a loving father. But as the little prince grows up, the king started to fear more and more, that he ended up locking his son away, with many restrictions to ensure that he won't grow up in that way. By time, the prince grew up feeling unloved, and with so much resentment towards his father that one day killed him. And it was in such a moment, when his son told him how much he hated him for feeling unloved, that he finally understood - it was actually by himself that he made the words of his oracle come true.


We often try to seek for answers, yet due to our own fear and insecurities, we might not be prepared to hear these answers. Actually, we also might have gotten wrong answers (how do we know that what we read is true? most of us don't really have enough astrological knowledge for achieving good accurate answers!), yet we get so fixated about the answers might really happen, that we end up screwing things.


It is our own inner demons that causes pain whenever we use astrology, not astrology itself. And that's what we have to face by ourselves.

But whatever astrology tells us, remember that we don't actually have enough knowledge to predict anything accurately anyways! Try to understand instead why it makes you fear or feel insecure, and you'll get the true answer that is the one answer you truly need.

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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"Why did he leave me?" how do you know these are the words of god?

may be he's thinking "why did kismet and all the other fellows leave me?" "oh, i'm so good, i'll leave some marks behind so they can find the way home!"

comica, true words of wisdom.

kismet, good luck.

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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
you and me cannot talk. but since you KNOW what GOD thinks, then you'll be fine.

good luck on your road.

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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
and the bible was written by ?

GOD himself! obviously.

you know what ****** me off the most with people like you, it's that because you use the blible this way, nowadays true, good, sincere people like most of us here do not relate to it anymore. they feel like it's a lot of crap.

*POINTING ANGRILY FINGERS LIKE GOD WOULD DO IN A HOLLYWOOD FILM* BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

there is too much truth in this book to let an ignorant id!ot like you discredit it.

now, in your language, god, sorry GOD, will punish me for this, certainly, but then i'll feel proud of myself. go figure, who's the sinner in the end!

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Kismet*
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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm not trying to sound like some religious guru or something

good cause you failed.

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Astrology and god are two separate things.

thanks, but i never made the confusion, why, did you?

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You can choose to have faith in God, or choose to rely on astrology for the meaning of life. Which do you choose?

this question is out of place, that is a personal matter, and since you are not a priest or anyone special to me, i do not have to answer.

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don't associate astrology as something that is seen as good in Gods eyes. Its common sense.

nor bad. common sense. but it will be hard to find a common groound about what is "common sense"

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BY your reaction I can tell you are taking this way too personally

like you, i'm a spoil brat who has nothing to do on wednesday afternoon. how was class this morning?

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and it is most likely hitting home

whatever you say, is it GOD who told you so?

i'm out!

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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
oh, last thing, to answer to your question How Do I Give Up Astrology?

first, you can try to stop logging in an astrology forum. it could help start the process of detoxification.

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Kismet*
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posted June 18, 2009 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Oh boy.

I can't believe what I am reading.

I don't believe that Astrology is something that is against God..

There are a things in the Bible in that it seems that Astrology was made for us to understand God's messages.


Besides, I don't believe that Bible was written by God. I believe that it was written by men just like every other religious book.

I believe in God, but I am a pantheist. I believe that all is Divine including the whole sky. Astrology is the study of the sky,and so I believe that Astrology is the study of God that is all things in existence,nature itself.


I recently joined a unity church,and they pretty much about that. I would say that now I have more of a commmitment to God than ever,and I now have a spiritual family to share that commitment with.


but my main belief is
to each, his/her own

mainly tolerance of diversity and ideology
as well as equal rights and advocacy.

I think that's my Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio. I have realized that more emotion,intensity,passion that I put into things that have to do with diversity,equal rights,and advocacy and overall ideology, the more controversial and troublemaking that I appear to be. Therefore, I am learning to be more grounded and practical, and that will lead me to seem more cooperative,balanced,and objective as an advocate that can consider all sides and be able to build bridges between divisions.

Raymond

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pire
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posted June 18, 2009 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
on that, you are totally right, i've got issues. and my relationship with GOD is not a simple one.


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Kismet*
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