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penguinlove
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posted June 20, 2009 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
What made this guy want to start a family with me?

We have Juno trine Ceres DW in synastry. And we also have Juno trine Ceres in composite. Would that indicate it? Is it my Moon sitting in my 7th house in his 5th house? What about his true node and his IC in my 5th house?

He's the one outside.
*Orb is set to 65%

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Lucia23
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posted June 20, 2009 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to see the Lust and Union placements in your synastry...but yeah, I guess it would be that Moon/DC falling into his 5th house.

It's very interesting though, because the one thing I find in common in all the synastries of mutually attracted or committed couples that I've been looking at is conjunct angles--doesn't matter which ones--ASC, DC, MC, IC. And you guys don't have that.

Did you want to start a family with him too? Were you lovers and for how long? Were you a committed couple and for how long? (As you can see, with that lack of angle conjunction, I'm very interested in this as a case study!)

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Lucia23
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posted June 20, 2009 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Hm, also just noticed your 4th house--do lots of guys want to have babies with you? (I don't mean the sex part, especially--that 4th house might make guys think, "This woman would be good to have a family with.")

And also--whoa--with his 12th house Sun in Pisces and Aries Mars-Venus conjunction/Leo Moon (am I reading that right?) he might be one to dive into things and then swim away. My friend's husband with that Pisces/Fire combo was sooo over the top romantic at the beginning--he was all, Hey, we've known each other for a week, we're soul mates. And then once SHE made the committment, he was all swimmy-fish and disappeared while she was pregnant. His chart might make him confuse certain kinds of feelings with other kinds of feelings, and overestimate his own commitment.

I didn't look at the degrees, but ALSO on top of that your Saggie Uranus may be conjunct a Grand Fire Trine with his Aries Mars-Venus-Vesta, Sag Uranus-Jupiter, and Leo Moon, giving him a "you complete me" feeling and encouraging rashness and sudden intensity (Uranus)...maybe the orbs would be too wide though.

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Diana
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posted June 21, 2009 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
His TN in your 5th house.

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penguinlove
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posted June 21, 2009 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
I have been with this guy for roughly 2 months and he's already talking about marriage and kids. I do really want to start a family with him too. Truth is, we're planning to get married some time next year.

About conjunct angles, does draconic synastry counts? So as draconic-natal? Our draconic AC/AC conjunction conjunct his natal MC.

We do have a Grand Fire Trine; his Moon, my Venus and Uranus. His Moon trine my Venus by 3degrees applying doesn't show because I reduced the orb to 65%. It would have been a Kite, but the orb between my Venus sextiling his Mercury is too wide.

Any insight about the meaning of True Node to someone's 5th house. I just have an idea, but I'd like to know what it really means.

I'd post our synastry later with Lust and Union included. For now, I have to go to bed.

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Lucia23
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posted June 21, 2009 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Penguinlove (unless you are 43 years old and need to get pregnant yesterday!, and don't mind raising the child as a single parent), I would slow this thing waaaayyy down. Plan to spend a year spending a lot of time together, and then a year and a half living together, and make sure you really know each other intimately and deeply in terms of everyday campatibility before you bring a child into your relationship.

Based on this guy's natal, chances are high that all of his intense fire drives him passionately and excitedly into things full-throttle. When the infatuation wears off and he's back in the everyday, his 12th house Pisces Sun realizes that he doesn't really want that thing he threw himself into so passionately, at least he is conflicted about it and doesn't want it with his whole being/whole self (the Sun.)

So he tries to undo it, but instead of undoing it in a fiery way (which would involve ACTION and stating what's going on), he tries to drift away as vaguely and passively as possible, floating into other relationships, escapism (of not drinking/sex/drugs then healthier escapes like playing music or taking his Sag bits out into the woods), or (likeliest) just not being around at all.

To have a solid relationship together, you will need to know ALL of each other very very well, including experiencing what he is like when things get boring, difficult, confrontational, stressful or un-fun. After you have sorted out ways to deal with those times as a couple, and have a stronger intuitive sense of each other, that would be the time to start a family. Otherwise, with that fiery Uranus business, the intensity of his huge, whole-life plan might not outlast the moment.

I doubt you have even seen his Pisces side yet. With his natal fire trine (including Mars-Venus conjunct his ascendent and yout two Leo Moons conjunct), he comes on ALL fire, which would seem very compatible to you as an airy/fiery person. The feeling of your Gemini-Pisces relationship wouldn't start coming out till you were in it for the long haul. It can work if you really love and value each other, but it would be best to prepare for the challenges over years rather than work them out as you are dealing with raising a child together.

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todd
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posted June 21, 2009 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message
hi ya
there is a very idealistic and romantic aura to the composite.uranus trine to venus gives a immediate comfort and attraction.the sun/mercury midpoint conjunct venus adds laughter and openess and good mental connection.lively,intellligent and foresighted.the "icky" romantic stuff is shown by venus conjunct eros,the venus/mars midpoint conjunct amor,eros sextile to psyche with their midpoints conjunct the ascendant.all amplifing idealistic ,romantic feelings
the jupiter square to venus adds the lust for experience and life to the relationship,enjoying socializing and festive moments.
the mars trine saturn and sextilwe to jupiter shows a good hold on practical matters as well as financial endeavors.this is a balance material perspective.
the saturn sextile jupiter midpoint is onjnct uranus and trine the venus.this could point to a sudden interest in committment.the venus influence here bodes well for financial and emotional stability.
of course the saturn/jupiter/uranus configuration is square to the ascendant.
after all is said an ddone,i would not rush into this as the uranus influence often shows a intense but unstable marriage.

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posted June 22, 2009 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
You both are destined to be happy with each other, whether or not you get married.

His VALENTINE conjuncts your Sun exactly,
your love will be divinely protected.
His JUNO conjuncts your Ascendant and his PSYCHE conjuncts your Saturn and VALENTINE. He cannot love another girl more than you in this lifeline, he is an utter loser if he loses you.

If you wait to carefully observe and experience everything in life to avoid a mistake, and then decide on a relationship, life will get meaningless. Risk averse people never experienced joy and never accompished anything worthwhile, here God has sent you a Man with love in his heart for you, on a platter. Even if he is Piscean, he is not confused about you.

Do give this relationship a chance, and whatever happens, do delay having kids for atleast 3 years so that you can maximize your bliss before diaper changing routines take over.


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posted June 22, 2009 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
"If you wait to carefully observe and experience everything in life to avoid a mistake, and then decide on a relationship, life will get meaningless. Risk averse people never experienced joy and never accompished anything worthwhile, here God has sent you a Man with love in his heart for you, on a platter. "

IQ...... that was so romantic and wonderful....

very nice.

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iQ
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posted June 22, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Hi CPN,
Asteroid Valentine has a certain effect on me


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Lucia23
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posted June 22, 2009 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, I wasn't in any way suggesting that they delay or hold off on being together...in fact, the opposite, that they spend as much time together as possible! And move in together, to start experiencing their daily life together as soon as possible.

I think EVERYONE should dive in and be together with whoever they love most, whatever their synastry. But it also makes sense, with Uranus and Neptune involved, to explore the daily relationship and work out some basics before having babies together...this is also true in almost any relationship, whatever the synastry, unless of course you are in a culture where you HAVE to get married to somebody at a very young age anyway.

Anyhow, please report back to LindaLand in a couple of years to let us all know how it's going! I hope IQ is right, but I think it's also possible that if you start a family before you really know each other on a daily basis, this guy could disappear.

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posted June 22, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
IQ, beautiful. *sigh*
I am still hanging out that my guy doesn't become 'the biggest loser ever' too

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posted June 23, 2009 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
You are correct Lucia, there is always a need to wait 3 years before starting family.

Lara, have you made his progressed chart? What if he needs a nice transit?
And you do have his accurate birth time, right?

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penguinlove
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posted June 23, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for that valuable input, todd. See, I'm an astro newbie. I only rely on interpretation I can get online and most of the time, they will only interpret one aspect at a time. But yours is so unique. I haven't found any site that interprets the midpoints and configurations of planets and asteroids in a composite chart. Seems like you have a grasp on the whole picture!

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posted June 23, 2009 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the advice everyone. I appreciate it. Thanks also for that wonderful affirmation, IQ.

He seems too good to be true at first, but he's definitely real. We're both really glad we've found each other and can't wait to start a family together. But yes, everyone here is right. He and I should experience the basics first before having babies. But, how would I approach him about that? He's been telling me about how excited he is about having our own children. But he also said that it's okay for him to wait a little longer and he respects my decision. It's just that... I find him so hard to resist. LOL! What should I do?

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posted June 23, 2009 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I suggest moving in together ASAP and seeing what daily life together is like...also, use good birth control!

After you've lived together for a full year, you will both have a good sense of the day-in, day-out.

If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about your ages and each of your relationship histories. Are you the first person he's wanted to have kids with and vice versa?

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posted June 23, 2009 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
I'm interested on your take about this guy's natal, Lucia23. His planets in 12th house were one of the stuffs that got me a little cautious too at the beginning. But I guess we should also take into consideration the other aspects he has in his natal chart. Is there any aspect in his chart that shows why he's so interested about having his own babies (with me)? Or am I the one who's making him feel that way (synastry)?

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posted June 23, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
He's 26 and I'm 24. I might not be the first one he's wanted to have kids with and neither do I, because we both came from failed serious relationships. But, I am pretty sure that his (our) desire to have babies is intense.

BTW, his Lust and Union conjunct his Venus, Mars and AC.

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posted June 24, 2009 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
5th house Leo Moon and NN on his IC could lead to him wanting to start a family...and his 7th house Saturn-Pluto could give a sense of weight and seriousness to the idea of marriage for him.

I was thinking that living together for a year would help the two of you prepare to start a family, but now I really, really see IQ's point that 3 years might be better. I would wait till he hits 30ish and his Saturn Return in his house of marriage is over or nearly over.

The Saturn return is like an exam--it's a time when life feels intolerable until you start living your most authentic life. His 7th house Saturn Return is a time when he could end up forcing himself into a too-hasty marriage or, if he's already in one, fleeing it. Better to keep the relationship emotionally close and deepening over that time, enjoying your connection with each other and getting your shared life ready to start your family.

That way when he marries you you will be a real team, as well as just in love, and you will know how to deal with each other's Piscean-ness and Gemini-ness, and have graceful patterns of communication and trust. (Or, if one of you is miserable and/or flees--which I hope isn't the way it goes--there will not be a child involved.)

His Saturn Return will involve transiting Saturn conjunct not only his Saturn, but also his Pluto, which could add deep transformation in that area of his life into the mix. It could be a very nice thing for your marriage but it's right to take it slow and proceed with DEPTH and caution, really becoming best friends and knowing each other for years and knowing what it's like to live together before marrying or having a baby, even though with Aries Rising and 5th house Leo Moon, he is probably a very impatient and impetuous person in some ways.

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posted June 24, 2009 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Oop it double-posted.

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posted June 24, 2009 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
<<The Saturn return is like an exam--it's a time when life feels intolerable until you start living your most authentic life. His 7th house Saturn Return is a time when he could end up forcing himself into a too-hasty marriage or, if he's already in one, fleeing it. Better to keep the relationship emotionally close and deepening over that time, enjoying your connection with each other and getting your shared life ready to start your family. >>
Excellent post.

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posted June 24, 2009 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message
His venus quincunxes your pluto.

Intense pluto-venus interaspects can play out as a strong and primeval urge to procreate.
[or so I've heard]

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posted July 04, 2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
When we met, his progressed Sun and the transiting Venus/Mars conjunction conjunct his natal Venus/Mars. Could this be what influences/intensifies his desire to start a significant relationship (with me)?

Lucia23, you actually got me worried about his Saturn Return in his 7th house. Is there any article online or a book you (or any Knowflakes here) could suggest me to read?

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posted July 06, 2009 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for penguinlove     Edit/Delete Message
IQ,

I used your Soul Mate Love Calculator and, if I calculated it right, we got 45 points. I found out we also have Zeus-Hera DW!

My Sun trine his Amor 2s 2
My Sun conjunct his Valentine 0a 5
My Moon opposition his Juno -0s 1
My AC conjunct his Juno 0a 5

My Mars trine his Juno -2a 1

My Sun quincunx his Saturn -1s 1
My AC trine his Tyche -2a 1
My Karma trine his Moon 1a 1
My Destinn trine his AC -0a 1

My Pluto conjunct his Saturn 1a 2
My Pluto trine his NN 0s 1
My Pluto opposition his Destinn -0s 1

My Juno quincunx his Eros -1s 1

My NN conjunct his Karma 1a 2
My Tyche conjunct his Karma 0s 2
My Destinn opposition his Valentine -1a 1

My Venus same element with his Mars 1
My Chiron conjunct his Valentine 2a 1

My Zeus trine his Hera -1a 5
My Hera quincunx his Zeus 0s 5
My Osiris opposition his Isis -2s 5

I love the Sabian symbol of our composie Sun too!
21-22 deg Aries
The Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires

So as our composite Valentine
28-29 deg Leo
A Mermaid Emerges From The Ocean Waves Ready For Rebirth In Human Form

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posted July 06, 2009 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I don't want to be cold water, but if those aspects degrees are directly copied from the astro.com pdf grid, then the single numbers actually meant a bit more. For example, "2a" would actually mean 2 degrees and something, which is more than 2 degrees (if there's a minus signal in the front, then I guess that it can mean that the number has less than 30 minutes, so a "-2" would mean less than 2º30'). So I guess that some of these aspects are a bit more than the limit degrees used in the calculator. ^_^; Actually, I've also made some mistakes like this some time ago lol.

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