posted June 24, 2009 03:34 PM         

So can anyone help explain how these asteroids work. OAO, please and thank you.

Also what are the synastry aspects dealing with asteroids I am suppose to look out for?

posted June 25, 2009 10:03 AM         

For synastry I like to look at:

Eros
Psyche
Amor
Valentine
Juno
Aphrodite

sometimes I also look at Lust and Vesta, but I am still researching these; they seem to relate to sexual connections.

But of course there are many more, and it is especially interesting to see a pattern in synastry, a mythological pairing like for example

Pluto - PErsephone / Proserpina
Adonis - Aphrodite / VEnus
Adonis - Innanen (sumerian)
Isis - Osiris (egyptian)
Siva - Kaali / Parvati (indian)
Jupiter - Juno
Zeus - Hera (but I am not a friend of that pairing)
Eros/Cupido/Amor - Psyche

Some links:

posted June 25, 2009 04:45 PM         

Juno, Amor, Valentine, Eros, Lust

to

Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, ASC, IC; Vertex, Karma and DNA

posted June 25, 2009 07:55 PM         

With the planets, I have a basic understanding of how to look at them together in a chart...Saturn=discipline, restriction, seriousness, challenges, responsibility; the Sun=our overall personality, truest self...so if someone's Saturn is square my Sun he might feel heavy and judgemental about the way I express myself, and I might feel a little punished by him.

The thing about asteroids is that there are thousands, and we can ascribe our own meanings to them...so using asteroids expenentially increases our chances of finding love connections between two charts.

People on Lindaland post a lot of long lists of draco and tropical asteroid connections that seem tenuous to me ("my Yooyooyooo contraparallel his Lucia at 4 degrees...my Lucia is quincunx his Sun at 8 degrees...it's a double whammy!") without a lot of explanation of:

A) How the details of the connection between those asteroids would feel in general, so that those of us reading the lists can learn to do more accurate, rich, and insightful synastry readings

B) What the real-life relationship is like and how the major aspects play out in it--I think this is the real key!

I'd like to work with asteroid connections in a less tenuous way. As I work more with them, I find I'm using them more for reassurance ("look at that, he MUST want me back!") than anything else, and I don't think I'm alone in that. I guess that's fine-I mean, it DOES feel reassuring-- but I'd like to use asteroids in synastry as richly and accurately as planets. It's harder with sooo many.

posted June 25, 2009 09:01 PM         

But well, I do think that it depends on what the name of an asteroid exactly means for each of us to determine how it's aspects really affects us, that it might differ from person to person. And also how each asteroid is activated on each of our own chart too.

posted June 25, 2009 09:17 PM         

Plus there relationships sorta shocks me Aqua/Virgo combo but nothing is concrete in astrology lol and my cousin was like "Your into all this wiccan, meditational, spiritual, astro new age mumbo jumbo..it's selfish for you to have that knowledge and not put it to use."

posted June 25, 2009 11:41 PM         

I see them here all the time as just, sort of, lists of evidence of Soul Mateness. And then I go do the same thing!! I check those asteroids in my synastry with the guys I'm attracted to (or my exes) who I have exact birthtimes for. But it's a huge, "So What??!!" Now, since we all know who turns us on...we can tell because we feel attracted to them...all this really shows is that the attraction is mutual. And anyone who has looked at a lot of synastries will know that evidence of mutual attraction in synastry IS NOT evidence of mutual attraction in real life.

I know lots of people disagree with me on that, but I keep obsessing about two people I've read tarot cards for separately who work together--she is crazy about him,and all of her questions are about him...he has never ever mentioned her. To me, their synastry looks like they would be in crazy mutual lust. But they have very different social status and fit the beauty ideal to differing degrees (which, BTW, to me is not evident in their natals.) It just doesn't matter that her Hoohoo is in a double whammy conjunction to his Sun-Eros-ASC, with his Hoohoo conjunct her Sun-DC, zero degrees (I'm making this up, but you see my point.)

If some astrology proclaims you and the person you have a crush on Soul Mates, but that person would rather not be with you, then the astrologer really hasn't helped. But if the astrologer can look at your synastry and say, "Here are some specific ways that you two could improve your communication" or "Here are the things about you that she has the potential to really like/love, so expressing that side of your personality to her might attract her," or "Here are the reasons behind the ways things went sour when you split up, and here are the reasons he may be more drawn to this other person...if you are determined to try to get back together, here are a few strong areas in your synastry to express and activate..." then the astrologer is helping.

The more I obsess over this, the more I think astrology should be used in conjunction with psychology and intuitive reading...we should look at the charts (natal, then synastry, maybe draco, progressions, whatever), then compare our insights from the charts alone to what's actually being played out/manifested in the relationship, THEN we should connect it all together. I know astrologers often do work this way.

posted June 26, 2009 07:43 AM         

EX:
Your Eros conjunct my Sun - you would be attracted, while I would be unaffected.
My Amor conjunct your ASC - I would love you, but you wouldnīt necessarily reciprocrate.

The interpretation of the asteroids is not that difficult. It works like it does with the planets, too.

All symbolism is derived from the mythology, and for some reason it seems to work, or could you imagine the planet Mars being indicative of loyalty, faithfulness and control?
Yet, Mars is only a name. It could have been named GARGAMEL, but it hasn`t. And for some reason Mars-aspects reflect the mythology of Mars.

Same for asteroids.

posted June 26, 2009 09:01 AM         

I am still researching the effects of asteroids myself; but so far I found it very in that in the majority of the charts I analysed, there appeared equally and sometimes more and stronger aspects to Eros and Juno than to Sun, Moon or Venus!

Also, in about 90% of these synastries there was either an aspect of:
Juno-Valentine
Juno-Amor
Juno-Juno

in tropical synastry, using a 3 degree orb.

I don`t have a conclusion just yet, but I found it interesting.

Could it be coincidence?
Yes, maybe. But then wouldn`t it be coincidence, too, if it was a Venus-Mars-aspect instead?

Anyway, I certainly don`t base my interpretations or analysis on asteroid aspects.
I first analyse the natals and the major synastry (which to me includes Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, SAturn, NN, ASC, IC) in tropical.
I especially pay attention to the houserulers, which can be very enlightening in terms of mutual or onesided attraction. Never failed me until now.

I see this kind of synastry as the framework, and the asteroids paint a more detailed picture.

But of course noone HAS to use asteroids. I find them useful, but if you don`t, don`t use them.

Also, I would focus on the tropical synastry, too.
It`s true the Draco`s are very descriptive and can explain a lot, but it is also true that a relationship on this earth happens on the physical plane, hence TROPICAL.

But usually I am not that eventoriented or wanting to predict. My focus is more on understanding what is going on behind the veil, inside of me for example.
And the Draco`s as well as the asteroids can be very enlightening in this regard.

But I agree with you, that just posting long lists, doesnīt really make much sense, even though I am doing it myself.

But this is a forum, where we all are learning. This not some place where you come, get your knowledge given and go back home.

I`d say: Do some research and look at the myths.
See for yourself, if there are Amor, or Juno or Eros aspects in the majority of cases. Keep the nature of the relationship in mind. If there`s nothing there, forget them.

But as I said, we are all learning here; and I don`t know everything either. Just trying to find out what works and what doesn`t. Trying to find some systematic ground rules.

Like you find the number of asteroids and applying them to synastry like "grasping for straws", I think the same about using wide orbs.
They don`t make sense to me, probably, as little as using asteroids make sense to you.

But I`m not here to "preach" my religion, my truth.
I don`t have the ultimate answer to astrology`s problems. I don`t think anyone has. I`m just trying to find a reasonable way through the thick wood. LOL

BTW some meanings of asteroids:

Valentine:
unconditional true love, according to IQ.
I`m a bit more sceptical of this interpretation, but he believes very firmly in it. So I sit and wait until enlightment hits me.

Amor:
intimacy, longing to be close to someone, unconditional love

Eros:
passion, erotic attraction, the spark of life, what makes you feel alive (of course you can also be passionate about an enterprise)

Lust:
again IQ uses it, and it seems to signify pure lust and physical desire, without emotional involvement

posted June 26, 2009 10:09 AM         

I think it can be both. But without tension, no attraction, no?

Stellium,

I`m glad you gain something from our posts.

Hmm, Hera and Zeus, they had an outwardly stable marriage, at least they stayed together forever, BUT at what cost?
Zeus cheated on Hera again and again and again, and Hera was bitching about it all the time, pursuing his conquests with her wrath and making his life a living hell, too.

Probably something that happens in many marriages, but not something I would call ideal.

posted June 26, 2009 10:18 AM         

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posted June 26, 2009 10:26 AM         

"Care to write the book, DD?"
I thought I was.

Really, one of these days I will print out all my musings and get it all together, maybe soemthing useful will be found.

posted June 26, 2009 12:57 PM         

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The more I obsess over this, the more I think astrology should be used in conjunction with psychology and intuitive reading...

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I've seen cases in which the synastry has pretty (or even great) aspects that would point to a really big possibility of being soulmates, yet the couple is not together in the real life. Maybe astrologically it lacked some meaningful transits, progressed synastry or SR aspects that trigger the start of their relationships, but well, besides this, often a great synastry doesn't really mean that the couple would really form a love relationship together (strong feelings aren't always necessarily of romantic nature).

posted June 26, 2009 03:21 PM         

If people want to discuss or explain that in this thread go ahead, you guys already hijacked my thread darn you all XD lol.

posted June 26, 2009 03:49 PM         

@ your post.

Sorry, I don`t have all the answers. I think I shall retreat into a cave and feel ashamed.

Oh and I am really sorry about my impatient tone in the post. I just had a really crappy week (a colleague of mine died last weekend and there were other stuff).

Happy Dragon,

I understand your resevations.
Yet, the problem is similiar with planets.
Sometime ago someone gave them their names, too.

Cheshire,