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Topic: Your Religious Beliefs?
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meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 27, 2009 11:22 PM
I'm stumped.What am i? Religiously? What are you? You see, I was raised Roman Catholic, but never truly believed or related to any of the teachings. In all honesty, i've been an atheist all of my life, i just didn't know the term for my feelings until i grew older. However, i've always had a strong curiosity towards theology. I don't follow any set religion, but i still feel very connected to the Church itself. To the rituals. To mythology. To paganism. To astrology. To reincarnation. To sins, repentence, karma, nature, etc. Which makes me wonder... Does anyone else feel really connected to certain religions? What are your spiritual beliefs? And what is your chart? (I REALLY hope that this doesn't offend anyone.)
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PeaceAngel Moderator Posts: 1481 From: peace.angel@live.com.au Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 27, 2009 11:38 PM
North Node in Pisces in 12th, and Neptune at 0 degrees Sagi in 8th.I'm not religious at all, but am deeply spiritual, and have a huge interest in theology. I grew up with a Christian upbringing and then found something in Buddhism, then eventually found that to be no different, and moved away from all religion. I take what makes sense to me from all sources and fit it in with my own values and experiences, and what feels right to me. I'm very connected to the spirits that guide me. That's all I need to know. Religion is never going to be for me. I personally feel and believe that religions bring disharmony because some people can't respect the notion of each to their own and need to fight it out and pass judgement over whose God or religion is the best or right one. I can't believe in that. EDIT: I think there are gems of wisdom offered by every religion, but none as a whole. IP: Logged |
VirgOh Knowflake Posts: 131 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 27, 2009 11:54 PM
Muslim, I only feel a strong connection to Islam although I dont practice it I can also relate to Christianity as I went to Catholic school for 8 years and I admire Jesus so much because to me, he was the first true Rebel. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 790 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:15 AM
I am a member of an interfaith unity church. I would say that my beliefs with New Thought,New Age,and Unitarian Universalism. Unity churches are based on New Thought, but the unity church that I go to seems not just New Thought but New Age too.I went to Sunday School for 3 years from 11 to 13 years old, and I stopped being a Christian shortly learning after theory of evolution. Critical thinking factored a lot into my spiritual beliefs. Even during those years, I was reading mythology. I noticed similarities between mythology and the bible stories that I read. My mother is non-practicing Roman Catholic. Her father's family is Portuguese, and so Roman Catholic throughout history. my mother told me that my black father was a Baptist. Most of my life, I believed in God. I talked to God on a daily basis even though I didn't associate with any religion I was a semi-atheist for 2 years until my maternal grandfather's suicide. That opened the door for me into get New Age,New Thought,Metaphysical Stuff I am a believer in pantheism (God is All) reincarnation,karma,pastlives, but I use those beliefs to treat others like I want to be treated and my multiracial and neurodivergent background greatly factor in that. I don't use them to condone things like racism,bigotry,segregation,and cruelty stuff. I strongly believe that requires advocating for the opposite of those. I feel that being part African American is a the main factor in that. It also fits my beliefs that fall into Unitarian Universalism in regards to social justice. my retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th, and that can indicate my spiritual beliefs involving critical thinking conjuncts retrograde Varuna in Gemini in 9th - which can be about justice,judgment. conjuncts retrograde Pallas in Gemini in 9th, and that could fit with political aspects oppose Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd would fit with the mystical,dissolution,unity of beliefs oppose Jupiter in Sagittarius - broadmindedness trine Vesta in Aquarius in 5th - service,devotion square Moon in Pisces in 6th - mystical,dissolution,unity of beliefs,service as women's stuff quincunx Sun in Scorpio in 2nd - transformational values quincunx Ixion in Scorpio in 2nd - karma,discernment,gratitude
9th house ruler Venus in Scorpio in 3rd square Mars in Aquarius in 6th fits with transformation,mysteries,occult, but also humanitarianism,activism parallel Mercury - logical,rational thinking parallel Neptune - unity,mystical,dissolution contraparallel Saturn - practical Heliocentric North Mars Node in Taurus in 9th Heliocentric North Mercury Node in Taurus in 9th oppose Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd - fits more with practical beliefs,passion,rational thinking
Heliocentric Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio in 8th and 2nd houses oppose/conjunct Sun in 2nd - fits with diversity,ideology,equal rights,advocacy Heliocentric Jupiter Nodes in Cancer/Capricorn in 10th and 4th houses - philosophy involving career and family Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in Leo/Aquarius in 11th and 5th houses oppose Lunar Nodes in Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th house sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis - spiritual community, humanitarianism as career,domestic environment Heliocentric South Uranus Node in Sagittarius in 4th square Ascendant - religious independence in the domestic environment Raymond
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emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:32 AM
Muslim, i strongly associate with it but i am more on its mystical side/sufism i think judasim, christianity and islam all three sister religion teach the same thing, and for that matter any religion.....in particular, i think God wants man to toil to transcend to the level of THE ideal man/woman....show compassion, do charity, and seek truth and knowledgei have moon conj uranus, both oppo chiron.. in 9th, moon is also ruler of seventh house, sun in leo.... i feel that many people who claim to be religious, unfortunately fail to see the essence of their religion, and all that is left is ego, "we are the chosen one", only my interpretation of god is right, and all others r gng to hell....that all is so sad IP: Logged |
nove731 Knowflake Posts: 18 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 02:13 AM
I'm Roman Catholic.The only thing that I can think of in my chart that would give any indication of my beliefs would possibly be my Venus in Pisces or Moon in Sagittarius? I'm not really sure. I don't have anything in either the ninth or twelfth houses. My Jupiter is in Cancer (thus exhalted) in the tenth, and my Neptune is in Capricorn in the fourth. I'm not really sure if any of that has anything to do with religious belief, but... IP: Logged |
swirl-kitt Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 02:17 AM
I think having a religion which motivates one to be a good,moral being is great and I think it's only some people who use it to gain power over others that make it look so bad.IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 214 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 02:28 AM
moon gemini in 9 th. Im muslim. And i have always felt gods presence since i was very young. I strongly believe in religion but noone else in my fam does as much as me. Moon opp neptune------------------ •' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ • •Sun• Cancer •Moon• Gemini •Mars• Cancer •Mercury• Cancer •Venus• Leo •••Virgo Rising••• IP: Logged |
D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 04:33 AM
Meta_4,I wish I could post my chart, but I've been having problems with Photobucket.com Thus I cannot post any chart- not that I am opposed to posting a chart, it's just that I am incapable of doing that. By the way, thanks for your feedback. D IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 863 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 05:15 AM
Pretty much almost exactly like VirgOh lolIP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 05:38 AM
I believe that all religions offer something good and valid, and that probably all religions stem from the same source, as even Lessing in "nathan the wise" suggested.The problem I see with all religions is that it has been made an instrument to excert power, to manipulate and suppress under the guise of religion. this led me to differentiate between religion (the organized form, made by people) and faith (your inner spirituality and knowledge). I think I am feeling and thinking about religon / spirituality very much like PA does.
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meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:30 PM
Hmm... interesting. PA, I think that what you're getting at is that you can be spiritual without being religious. I understand that. And truly, i think that's the way to go. Not to conform to one set of beliefs. I think often times that when you label yourself as one faith, you tend to reject other religious ideas by default. D for Defiant, You've got some SERIOUS 12 house action going on. No wonder you're spiritually curious! IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:37 PM
I've been thinking about this a great deal, and i've been flirting with the idea that i'm so drawn to Catholocism, Wicca, mythology, paganism, etc. perhaps because i followed these religions in a past life? Sort of ironic considering that i'm not even sure i believe in reincarnation!Blah.. i don't know. I think i'm just trying to find some sort of justification to my passion for theology- though i truly correspond with atheism. I have Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 9th house (Cancer, 'cept for my Leo Sun ). But surely that can't be IT. That can't explain EVERYTHING. ...Can it? IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:38 PM
Glaucus, quote: I was a semi-atheist for 2 years until my maternal grandfather's suicide.
What changed? IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 790 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 12:57 PM
"What changed?"my maternal grandfather's suicide just like I said. It made me go soul searching. When I was at the funeral service at the Catholic church, we were praying for soul. I was down on my knees,and I was praying for his soul so hard, that it had a profound effect on me. Then I started seeing psychics,getting into metaphysical/new age....eventually got into Astrology. so it was my grandfather's death that led me into Astrology. tomorrow is the 11th year anniversary that I started believing in Astrology. Transiting Pluto was conjuncting my Jupiter. Transiting kuiper belt object, Ixion was in t-square to my Moon square Varuna. Transiting Kuiper belt object,Varuna was trine my Sun-Ixion conjunction. like I said before, I was a semi-atheist. I wasn't exactly an atheist I would have dreams of spiritual,religious nature that remind me that I am a spiritual,religious person, but I was in denial of it. It took my grandfather's death to make me confront that part of me and accept it. btw...religious is not necessarily a belief in organized religion
it can be belief in just a higher power and divine order. I do believe in both. I believe that God is a higher power but it is all of us and in all all of us. I do believe in something greater than myself. I am both spiritual and religious without believing in organized religion. Raymond IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 01:13 PM
Ramond,What i meant by "what changed" was, why did his death change your religious outlook. But you just answered that, so, yes. I understand that religious doesn't mean comforming to an organized religion. That it can mean having a belief in a divine power- but that's just it. I do not have any connection to any divine power. And that doesn't bother me. It doesn't make me feel sad, or lonely. It just doesn't make sense why i would feel "at home" inside of a church without having any spiritual connection to it, do you know what i mean? It's like, the incense, the wine, the stained-glass windows, the Gregorian chanting, the confessions, etc.- all of those things are "home" to me, but not what they are based off of. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 790 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 01:38 PM
I understand. I think that it's all relative what we believe in and don't believe in In regards to my own spiritual, religious beliefs, I need both critical and lateral thinking. I am both. Even though, I am a rightbrained dominant person who is mainly a lateral thinker, I am also a critical thinker. I need to understand how things work. I have to see for myself. I can't just take people's word for it...especially not some religious books. I am the same way with Astrology. I feel that Astrology can be like a religion. I see many people passionate about Astrology and its views, and they can have a mentality of their Astrology being right and others' wrong. Even Steven Forrest pointed out that there is Tower of Babel situation in Astrological community,and he pointed out that the idea of One True Astrology is a myth that can be blown out of the water. . I believe that's the same with religion,philosophy,spirituality,politics, science,and just life in general. I have a strong Eris influence with Eris sextile Midheaven with 1 degree orb and Sun conjunct the South Eris Node with 10 minutes of arc. I have Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc. I always had divergent viewpoints from others which tend to be viewed as controversial. More and more, I realized that I have these strong Eris energy that I need to keep in check,and at times, I feel scared. I am glad that I can't be burnt to the stake for my views or be arrested. I am a free person, and I belong to nobody. Nobody owns me, and I don't own anybody else. Everybody is not going to agree on everything. We all disagree on some things. Just because we disagree on things, doesn't mean that one of us is right and the other is wrong. We both could be right and could both be wrong from a point of view. Life has more than 2 dimensions. That's how I see views. when I was in the navy stationed in Diego Garcia on Chagos Island in British Indian Ocean Territories, a navy hospital corpsman chief was trying to label me "psychotic" for having spiritual views like things like "absorbing other's energy"
I said Jesus had supernatural powers. Then he goes "That's Jesus" like the Christian he is. I immediately retorted passionately "Nobody knows what's real and what's not real. Look how many religions are on this earth" He didn't say a word. He left the room. That's the type of person that I am with retorting. My mother and stepfather always saw it as me "getting smart" and it would really them off. Of course, I paid for it too. When I was in the navy, I was the same way. I am still that way. I learned to keep my metaphysical beliefs.perceptions to myself.
there are labels like schizophrenic, schizoaffective disorder, and schizotypal personality disorder for people like us that are metaphysically oriented. therefore, I tend to keep my metaphysical interests secret and that even includes this forum in some ways. That fits with my Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio. Raymond
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Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 05:35 PM
I have dabbled in a lot of different belief systems: Catholicism, Lutheranism, Zen and other types of Buddhism, Wicca, neo-Paganism, and even tried to come up with my own form of organized religion based on the Welsh goddess Rhiannon.However, like a lot of people on here,I'm really not much for organized religions, as I consider them to be the last bastion of slavery and oppression. I came to this conclusion when I was coming up with my own religion. It just felt like I was trying to control/manipulate people and I just had a feeling of dread making such rules because I believe that people should be able to have their own beliefs without having to cram it down someone else's throat. So, my beliefs are mostly spiritual in origin with all the gems of the religions I have followed melded in to it. The major tenets for me are: a.) everyone is special and should be treated as such, b.) the Universe/God/etc. knows what it is doing, it's up to you to find the pattern, and c.)live and let live. North Node Virgo 11th house. ------------------ "The only way out is through" ---Robert Frost Pluto conjunct Sun & ASC Pluto sextile Mars Pluto square MC 1st house Scorpio Stellium: Moon, Venus, Uranus and Mercury. IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 07:59 PM
Raymond,Where is your Natal North/South Node? IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 262 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 08:00 PM
PP,So you currently do not subscribe to any one religion? Like, you do not feel a definite pull towards Buddhism, or Rhiannon any longer? IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 790 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 08:46 PM
meta,My Lunar Nodes and the aspects are the following major aspects only no more than 2 degrees away my Lunar Nodes are in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th houses my Heliocentric Neptune Nodes are in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius in 11th and 5th houses my Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius my Chiron(centaur) in 10'32 Aries R in 8th house my Eris in 12'14 Aries R in 8th house My Asbolus(centaur) in 9'57 Leo in 11th house Raymond IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 226 From: formerly Dulce Luna Registered: May 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 06:19 AM
I was raised Roman Catholic and still identify with it in the context of religious culture (I still celebrate Christmas or Easter with my family there way) but I find the teachings of many Prophets/spritual whichamacallit's to be just relevant as Jesus'. They all have the same or similar messages anyways. *shrugs*I have a packed 12th house and a Pisces NN, and a Virgo on the 9th house with nothing in it. IP: Logged |
Cynnared Knowflake Posts: 206 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 07:30 AM
Glaucus,I can relate to what you said about your Grandfather's death leading you to astrology. My Maternal Grandfather's death put me in a similar boat. I went on the quest of Spirituality. With anything new age, I was the true skeptic. I wanted to know where energy came from and why is it floating around in the universe. You see, when my Grandpa died, we had many supernatural occurrences that left my mind unsettled and I just wanted to dig deeper to see what I could find. My Grandfather passed away 800 KM away from where I was living at the time. We had our living room light go off many times and it was said it was my Grandfather coming to say good bye or something like that. (As I found out several years later that Spirit communication can go through electrical equipment) So the light going off made sense after I dug deeper. I still didn't believe in mediums. Back in 94 I started into astrology and learned my chart - I read what fit and went along my journey. The characteristics I have read fit and I started to get an understanding of the energies that are out there. My believe in mediums didn't happen till the 2000s and one day it dawned on me how one's own intuition could work. One's gut feeling. Not exactly the same path but it's the story of my personal journey..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now to answer the question....I am a spiritualist. I have been for a while. I was baptized catholic and became a roaming Catholic exploring different faiths such as, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, The United Church, Seventh Day Adventists and a few others. What they taught in the churches I found did not fit for me and I was still stuck on my spiritual quest. In 2004, I started going to my Spiritualist church and I haven't strayed. It has also helped me deal with mortality and where the soul/spirit goes after our body dies. Going back to my Grandfather - who is very much the dad I had growing up who practically raised me from when I was small. The loss through his death was one of the most devastating experiences in my life. Maybe in some way I wanted to still be close to him. My belief for myself is that he is always there in spirit with me. Watching over me as I live my life and guiding me on. well that is my story! Cynn IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 376 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 08:05 AM
Im baptized as a roman catholic, which is the main religion in france. I went to church on sundays rarely when i was growing up, nowadays only for a wedding, or for funerals. My grandma is very religious. My mum and my aunts much less, and me and my friends would be ashamed to say that we go to mass on sunday. Catholic church is discredited by its archaic rules (condoms for ex). I mean here the institution, because the religious people are still respected. When i had some issues of mental health/spiritual awakening, i went to see a priest, and even though i told him about my sexuality, he was totally cool about that. Very understanding.Im religious, but not the kind to go to church to talk to god. IP: Logged |
D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 09:53 AM
Pire,What is your sexuality, if you don't mind me asking? Just curious, that's all. I don't mean to be nosy Meta_4, you said: quote: D for Defiant,You've got some SERIOUS 12 house action going on. No wonder you're spiritually curious!
Thank you, Meta_4- I consider that a compliment. Meta_4, you mentioned your being a stellium 9th houser, with Sun in Leo, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in Cancer- and that you are an atheist. That reminds me of Bruce Lee- he was a Sun Sagittarian in his 1st house, with a jammed-packed stellium Scorpio 12th house, and Pluto in Leo (exalted) in the 9th, trine his Sagittarius Sun (the sign Sagittarius being one of the natural co-rulers of the 9th house, according to some schools of astrology, though not all)- and it's been said that during one of his interviews, he said he was an atheist. Interesting 9th house or Sagittarius Sun influences- according to Linda, these natives are either intensely religious, spiritually-inclined, or complete atheists. Meta_4, regarding the natal 9th house and any significant placement in the 9th, or even a 9th house stellium-
You are very welcome, Meta_4. Thank YOU, too! Unmoved, I wouldn't call it "weird"- unless you felt exactly that way- and I am in no way attempting to "correct" you- that would be foolish. I would describe what we share in common as "funny"- it is funny that we both refer to the same things concerning the subject matter. GypseeWind, I'm afraid I must point out that, there are covent Wiccans as well as solitaires; unless you have undergone specific, highly demanding training, either at a Wiccan covent, or with a qualified Wiccan teacher on a one-on-one basis (it would be less likely to achieve mastery in Wicca/witchcraft or be recognized and accepted as a witch/Wiccan if you are entirely self-taught, which would be almost impossible), and complete YEARS- at least 4, if not 5 or more years of intensive training,- the minimum time you will have to spend studying and training is at least a year and a day, for you to be qualified to receive your first degree initiation, and subsequently becoming a witch/Wiccan- notwithstanding the fact you may consider yourself adhering to the Wiccan faith/beliefs/spiritual path/way of life, and maybe read some, if not many, books about it, or even interacted with people knowledgeable on Wicca/witchcraft, or even Wiccans/witches themselves personally, at one point in your life- without the aforementioned several years of training, initiation, practicing Wicca/witchcraft on a daily basis, as a qualified witch/Wiccan- [i]YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF A WICCAN. It is as simple as that, and perhaps as a brutal truth as it is- Wicca/witchcraft is not for everyone. Btw, you mentioned some similarities you had observed between Wicca and Catholicism- allow me to point it out to you that there are far more different practices and beliefs between the two, and definitely major differences between the two when it comes to each of their spiritual foundation. Thanks for starting this thread, Meta_4 D IP: Logged | |