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Lavazza
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posted July 01, 2009 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavazza     Edit/Delete Message
ok

it went like this

we made love early in the morning and then our discussion became a little more serious which could not be a bad thing. We talked about future, kids, chores, having fun and we seemed to agree with eatchother. Still being serious he added that he is a jealous guy, sometimes too jealous. I laughed saying it's not a being deal and it's normal to be jealous when you love someone. BUT my laugh froze when he said ” if i don' want you to go out the you don't go, you have to tell me where you go and why”. I tried to tell him it's not healthy acting like that and i asked him what i did the same. Didn't seem worried about it, urghhh
And as if it wasn't enough, my sweet told me to get ready for the second round...
i must admit i AM a passionate girl but three times a day WTF ??
i am adding his chart so you can see more

i don't know his exact birth time

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Lavazza
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posted July 01, 2009 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavazza     Edit/Delete Message

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Coffee
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posted July 01, 2009 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
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i must admit i AM a passionate girl but three times a day WTF ??

I dont really understand that in context of what you have written.

Taking a wild guess at Capricorn, as yeah, does seem controlling. Saturn is placed at 0 degrees Scorpio.

Red flag obviously, you dont need me to tell you that.

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blue moon
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posted July 01, 2009 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
He's a passionate man, Scorpio Moon, Taurus Sun and Mars. He's told you straight up how he can get when his pincers dig in.

Is this the early stages of a relationship?

It sounds like it. The options are things settle down until you find a balance between you, or your chemistry curdles. His chart is heavy on oppositions so finding a balance is part of his inner tensions (we all have them to some extent or another).

Saturn and Pluto in conjunction is quite a hard aspect to carry. It is a long-term aspect so will hit a lot of people around his age, but even so. We don't know where his Moon is and it could be very significant.


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Peri
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posted July 01, 2009 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
he is a control freak, run as fast as you can

something for you to ponder: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/003554.html

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 01, 2009 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I'm inclined to agree with Coffee and Peri re: red flag and run. From my experience, these situations don't appease in the long-term, they only escalate.

I've always attracted jealous and possessive men. I had one person tell me he was so jealous of other people around me that we couldn't have children because he would be couldn't share me with them. The problem exists within them and there's nothing you can do or say to ease it and as time goes on they become more insecure and therefore more controlling, and you slowly become imprisoned by their "love".

Heed those early warnings. What do your instincts tell you?

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted July 01, 2009 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message
Being Jealous I suppose would be normal maybe in highschool. but when you get his age its a major show of just how insecure and afraid he is. a man who would try to control you is not the best candidate for a marriage partner.. I cant stand control freaks. its really a bad sign in so many people in the world, maybe if he changed.. but they never change in time for you to stay. its just the way things are. I agree with the others. give him his options.. change or hit the road. he'll respect you for it. men can never let go of the independant woman. the one they cant control. lol

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 01, 2009 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I think anyone is capable of being jealous if given reason, but over-jealousy as a general manner in relationships, it's not really healthy for either partner.

I have Mars in Taurus in 2nd and Jupiter in Scorpio in 2nd, and despite my Aries and Aquarius and Uranus on the DC, a non-restrictive display of possessiveness does make me feel secure in being loved and wanted, but not when I have to account for every movement and I can't look at any passing male. Being accused of cheating when you haven't is another goodie that no matter what you say, you can't convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. It's another controlling tactic. Personally speaking, I can't live like that.

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aquarian/scorpio
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posted July 01, 2009 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquarian/scorpio     Edit/Delete Message
Not healthy..and will become a burden for the relationship and for you as an individual. I have a male friend who behaves like this with me...and i think thank the heavens we are just FRIENDS. Although he snapped at me last night telling that he likes me more then i do him..he feels for me alot but with the distance and also his jealous tendencies...is just a turn off...and that's coming from a Scorpio Moon!

The guy i'm talking about also has Saturn 11' Scorpio, Mars 14' Scorpio and AC 11'Scorpio all in which conjunct my Moon in Scorpio and he has an 8th House Moon, Saturn inconjunct Sun.
Saturn=Controller Pluto=Jealous controller

It does sound like you're at the early stage of the relationship and me and my guy just being friends makes it easier to dismiss but for you and your guy your in a relationship which can make things harder and sometimes more willing to endure more then you normally would.

Just be carful sweets before it gets out of hand..because with LOVE comes TRUST.

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blue moon
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posted July 01, 2009 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
With just one post and a not-accurate chart to go on, I am reluctant to jump up and instruct what you should do about this situation. Also, we are all human with flaws. I am uncomfortable saying he should be got rid of for being lacking in some way. Though of course it is true that you're not his social worker, or obliged to save him from self-destruction. I'm just not wanting to rush judgement.

Do you have your chart handy?

Looking at the synastry might be illuminating. It sounds like you've already warned him that his behaviour isn't healthy and you've managed to do it in a non-confrontational manner.

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Coffee
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posted July 01, 2009 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Not sure which would be more controlling to a partner - Taurus or Scorpio rising. Obviously talking extremes. Both are fixed.
Scorpio is the jealous one normally, yet Taurus risers have Scorpio on the 7th, which can indicate how you treat the partner.

Telling someone how/where/with whom they can live, what to do and all that is a sure way of controlling people. Not very healthy at all.

Some may do it and then relent, which is fine and understandable for a Taurus/Scorpio. Others who really mean it, you should go away from as quick as possible.

Nobody has the right to tell you how to live your life.

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iQ
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posted July 01, 2009 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Chiron conj ALGOL is quincunx Pluto and Saturn is retrograde. This is a generational challenge but when Moon is in Scorpio for a Taurus Sun and Mars, it gets into abusive control freak mode. He may punish you with too much sex as well, that is the subtle hint given already.

His birthnumber is 9, very aggressive and he has these negative aspects:

1. NESSUS sq Saturn

2. NESSUS conj NEMESIS

3. NEMESIS conj NESSUS sq DEJANIRA, the potential rapist/sexual assault aspects.

4. LUCIFER sq Sun exact, creepy!

5. PHOLUS-Venus-IXION form an exact YOD with Mars opp IXION. Too many negative characteristics. He has the potential to be a nightmare at age 29 when there is Saturn return and Saturn conj Pluto.

Trust Coffee, Peri and Peacenagel. Run away from this relationship. Listen to your intelligence on this, not your body or heart.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 01, 2009 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
EDIT: I agree with blue moon about judging by one post and chart, and then I read iQ's insights, and heed that too. I think Peri's link provides a sound checklist.

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aquarian/scorpio
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posted July 01, 2009 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquarian/scorpio     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I agree with what Bluemoon say's also. Also what IQ says.

Also astrology aside...does it seem right to you and are you willing to endure that or possibly worse cases? Its something to really be thought about for yourself at this stage not the just the relationship as a whole.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted July 01, 2009 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
lavazza -
it is your decision honey....but think 5 years down the road. why were you gone to the grocery store for 2 hours, you talking to someone there?
church got over at 12 and its almost 1pm, wtf, are you having an affair with someone in the church band?
when that neighbor guy waves to you i want you to flip him off, when you wave, it makes him think you like him and he will rape you when i am gone to work.

these are actual conversations.

it can start out bad and just get worse. unfortuantely these men are usually good providers, well liked in the community and no one would much have a clue except you, who maybe put 10 extra miles on the car when you picked up the kids from school, where the hell did you go?

the older you get the quicker you run from certain red flags, if you think he is capable of saying ANY of those things, mr prince charming might not actually turn out so charming. he has a heavy chart. just be careful and think twice.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted July 01, 2009 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
sorry, had to add one thing, i think there is stalker potential here. and stalking is much more of a problem than it is reported and not fun to live through.

you deserve to be happy and be you, please just listen to your heart. i was pretty dumb about it all and went through a lot of unnessesary hard times because of it for many years.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 01, 2009 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
cpn

I think you're absolutely spot on about 5 years down the track.

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amowls*
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posted July 01, 2009 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Scary!

He seems unapologetic about his controlling tendencies, too. He's not willing to make concessions and at least TRY not to be so jealous--that's a huge problem. He's being extremely selfish. He seems to have a "take it or leave it, babe" attitude. Those types of people "love" but only "love" so much. If you tell him that he better not act that way or you'll leave, and he doesn't seem to want to try, then eff it. Leave. Don't get involved with a person like that. You are not property.

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letram
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posted July 01, 2009 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
the whole "you have to tell me where you go, and why" - this sounds like a Leo AC and Aquarius DC to me, i read a description about aqua dc, and it said that these natives definitely like to know where you are and what your up to, not for control-freak tenancies though, it said it was for something else, but i can't remember.

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wheels of cheese
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posted July 01, 2009 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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BUT my laugh froze when he said ” if i don' want you to go out the you don't go, you have to tell me where you go and why”. I tried to tell him it's not healthy acting like that and i asked him what i did the same. Didn't seem worried about it, urghhh
And as if it wasn't enough, my sweet told me to get ready for the second round...

Hmmm. As amowls said here he seems unapologetic about his jealousy which sounds like a big warning. I'm all for people being mildly jealous, it's ok as long as you're aware of it and know how ridiculous it is (falling in love and letting go is scary after all). But the lack of apology....

I went out with someone who sounds remarkably like him. Never EVER apologised for his outrageous jealousy. Biggest control freak ever, which escalated into violence.

And you know what disturbs me most about the quote above? He is controlling through sex. Be aware of it. Sex should be beautiful and levelling. Not "Here is what I think, now I will **** you to reinforce the message". The only time I ever got a shag from my wifebeater was when another man strayed too close (ie popped round as a friend for a cuppa) and he felt threatened. What a joke. I was pretty much ignored the rest of the time. I never went out, he banned my family from visiting the house.

Be aware that I once got hit for washing up too loudly on Christmas Day. The 5 year thing, she makes sense you know.

And I can't even let myself off with excuses that I wasn't aware of it from word go. I was. I just never anticipated how bad it would get and how it would affect my other relationships after him. And how it would affect my image of myself.

cpn edgar winner.

I wish you consciousness and awareness love.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 01, 2009 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Wow wheels. You really reached in and touched me.

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wheels of cheese
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posted July 01, 2009 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks PA. It will never happen again that's for damn sure. I have an understanding and empathy for other people who are going through it, or have been through it. Too much of an understanding unfortunately.

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amowls*
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posted July 01, 2009 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Letram, probably out of curiosity. I'm an Aqua Sun and I always like to know what my boyfriend is up to because I'm curious as to what he does all day. I trust him completely, I don't even mind if he flirts with girls at parties to be honest.

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bunnies
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posted July 01, 2009 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Run....run for your life.
The sex is not love. It's primitive evolutionary behaviour.A form of dominant control so that you are too exhausted to contemplate having sex with someone else, say for example when you go to the grocery store...or are 5 minutes late home from work...or leave the room for ten minutes.
This is the way the mind of a jealous man works.
Soon your smile will be permanently frozen in that rictus that scared women get when they know what's coming.
See that red flag waving madly over there?
That's waving at you honey.

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eve
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posted July 01, 2009 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message
I guess the question is, do you want to live like that?

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