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comica23
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posted July 03, 2009 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
In this forum, the "soulmates" topic has been very popular. Everyone, including myself, have our own definition of soulmates, that has some common points and different points, compared to each other's point of view.

Note that I'm not a firm believer of the possibility of having more than one lifetime, and my definition of soulmates is that people can become soulmates by time, just as people could cease to become soulmates by time - and that although soulmates are deep bonds, soulmates are not necessarily lovers (can be friends).

Oh well, long story short.. I've been playing with some synastry charts for some time, of the people I know, and I've found some things (patterns) that are kinda interesting (or creepy lol):

- it seems that we tend to attract people who are similar to us, and these people also has some similar stuffs between themselves (can be kinda creepy sometimes lol).

- it seems that there are two kind of bonds (set of aspects) that, depending on how strong they are presented between the charts of two person, they could be soulmates and/or lovers.

- it seems that in the charts that seemed fated (whether soul and/or love), there would be evident meaningful tight aspects, so evident that it's kinda creepy to look at. :P


I've noticed that two person can have strong links between asteroids like Angel, Spirit, DNA, Karma, Destinn, Memoria, and also IC and NN between their tropical, draconic and/or tropical-to-draconic charts, that seems to evidence a strong soul connection (soul similarity), but they might lack of strong enough romantic/love links, that they might be soulmates but just remaining as friends.
And then, I've also noticed that in other cases, two person can have very few spiritual aspects, yet have a lot of romantic/love links, that seems to evidence a strong emotional connection, that could also be considered as soulmates.


Anyways.. What do you guys think?? Me isn't a firm believer of astrological evidences, yet I find these things interesting (yet kinda creepy). XP Also, anyone wants to share your insights?

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DD
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posted July 03, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
sounds logical

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comica23
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posted July 03, 2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, another details to add:

- trines between spiritual objects might indicate similar souls, although still not as strong as conjunctions/oppositions (and the tighter the aspect the stronger the similarity/connection).

- trines between love objects might indicate harmonious attraction, but might not be strong enough to lead to strong romantic feelings.

Also, I'm wondering about the meaning of the squares between the spiritual objects. Conflicts between souls?

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posted July 03, 2009 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Which love objects do you consider?

And yes, trines are nice, but without the intensity of conjunction and opposition.
squares could be a sign of conflict. Yes, probably still belonging to similiar soulgroups, but like relatives who constantly argue with each other, even thoug being part of one family.

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posted July 03, 2009 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message
what are the aspects-bodies involved in the switching from just having the connection to the actualisation and tying into a lasting lovers-soulmates relationship?
i mean what are the glue aspects that solidify the soul link into real togetherness

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posted July 03, 2009 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Comica,

I'm more of a visual person. More of a "For example, blah blah blah" person. So would you mind breaking down your theory and explaining it through actual examples? Either post a chart and explain that way, or perhaps just write out the given examples?

I really want to reply to this, but i need more to go off of, sorry!

Thanks, love.

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posted July 03, 2009 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
DD, the love asteroids I mainly use are Amor, Valentine, Union. Also Cupido, Eros, and Psyche, and then sometimes Adonis, Aphrodite and other similar ones. I mainly use general love asteroids, coz it seems to me that the soulmate pairs are kinda specific (like certain couples might have certain pair(s) and such, but certain couples might also not share any - or then we might not know some of the pairs that exists).

Alia, I remember DD and others said that it's important to have aspects in the tropical synastry for things to actually play out. So I guess that for a romantic relationship to actually flourish, whether there are strong spiritual aspects, there has to be some aspects with the love objects (preferable at least a few strong ones - can actually be only one really strong too I guess) in the tropical synastry. Coz the tropical charts represents the physical plane.

meta_4, I've seen a case in which two person has meaningful aspects, mainly tight conjunctions and oppositions between Angel, Spirit, DNA, Memoria and NN, in both tropical and draconic synastry, and then also tight conjunctions from one's draconic chart to another's tropical chart. For example:

- tropical plane: A's Spirit/Angel conjunct B's NN/SN, and A's DNA conjunct B's Spirit;
- draconic plane: (I can't remember, but there were tight conjunctions/oppositions too, mainly with DNA, Angel, Spirit);
- draconic to tropical: A's draco Spirit/Angel conjunct/oppose B's natal Spirit.

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posted July 03, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message
thanx comica,,

would u say my venus conj his venus and his venus also conj my nn ,his DSC conj my angel, his NN oppose my valentine,his pluto oppose my sun, his IC conj my DNA, his spirit conj my sun his memoria conj my spirit (all natals and under 3 degrees orb) could be enough of a tropical ground for things to play out?

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posted July 03, 2009 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Comica,

I was also thinking that really strong romantic soulmates would probably have conjunctions / oppositions of a spiritual object to a love object in the tropical, like Valentine-Spirit for example.

Did you notice that, too?

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posted July 03, 2009 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Metatron     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, people have a very different points of view regarding soulmates. I personaly think soulmates we meet in our lives are people who's influence is very important for our spiritual growth. I would say a soulmate might be even a person whom we always disliked but at the same time that person played a big role in our lives. I am pretty much convinced that difficult experiences with surtain people whom for some reason we can't get rid off, are also a sign of a soulmate connection.

A friendship or love based relationship can be of a soulmate nature as well, but i think we laern more from those wierd, difficult, strange relationships we have with people that are kinda always present in our lives. people we're stuck with. I think this is best reflected in family relationships. We might simply never find a common language with our brothers sisters or mothers and fathers, yet we will love them all the same as they are family. A somewhat difficult but yet loving relationship. A relationship that makes us understand ourselves and the world better but at the same time it will consume a lot of our energies.

I have a somewhat disfunctional family, we mostly don't get along well, but in a way we are deeply connected, we also have a very strong synastry. A lot of axis/sun/moon and saturn connections. I can say the experiances i share with my family are the strongest experiances of my life.

This is why i believe that a true soulmate that comes into our lives is here to tech us something valuable, sometimes to get that knowledge we must experiance pain and suffering as well. even love soulmate relationships in my opinion are not about 100% mutual understanding, whats the sense in that. Ok maybe if we decide to take a time off and spend a lifetime in complete harmony with someone .

I think that true soulmate relationships are special because they demand a surtain sacrifice, they demand courage, patience and true love.

Anyway i checked my synastry with this girl, and i did find a few conjunctions between love and spiritual ateroids, you mentioned Comica and DD. I think we have some very strong links, but nothing has happened between us even though i care very much for her. As i say soulmates are here to help us learn important things about life, and isn't love one of the main themes of life itself. You cannot learn what love is if you never experiance the pain it can inflict.

My venus/angel conjunct her Valentine 1°

My Spirit conjunct her Venus, her Amor and her Cupid 2,5°

Her DNA conjunct my Psyche 2,5°

My Amor conjunct her Chiron and NN.

Her Union conjunct my MC. 1°

My DNA conjunct her MC. 1°

My Cupido conjunct her Juno 2,5°

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posted July 03, 2009 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Alia, hmm I'm not really sure, coz I'm still very inexperienced. ^_^; Actually, in the cases I've looked, since I know these people, it's easier for me to see the overall image of the charts and know what type of connections could be there. Although I'd think that DC conjunct Angel, Valentine conjunct SN, IC conjunct DNA and Memoria conjunct Spirit in the tropical synastry seems kinda relevant.

DD, yeah I agree with that, but I wonder if for these soulmates to really share a romantic relationship, they might need some aspects that only involves love objects too. In the case I've mentioned, there were also a few love/spiritual objects aspects too (like B's natal Valentine is also conjunct A's natal Angel), but they lacked (strong) aspects that only involves love objects in the tropical synastry. These two person has always only been friends, thought they did have some feelings each other before.
But what's more interesting is that A is already committed to another person who loves dearly, C, and with C, A actually have a few yet strong love objects aspects with each other instead of strong spiritual objects or love/spiritual objects aspects (there were a few of these aspects in their charts too, just not as strong as with B).

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posted July 03, 2009 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, sorry if I'm being a bit confusing with the examples. ^_^; Since these charts belongs to the people I know, I want to avoid posting any personal info here.

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posted July 04, 2009 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Comica

"DD, yeah I agree with that, but I wonder if for these soulmates to really share a romantic relationship, they might need some aspects that only involves love objects too."
Yes, definitely.
Most probably the ASC/ DSC or IC/MC axis would be included; probably the ASC/DSC-axis.

And then you still have to have triggers by transit or progression, to help the potential romance manifest in real life.

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posted July 04, 2009 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
DD, I was thinking about the same too, about meaningful transits as trigger that is. Non-astrologically speaking, there has to be favorable circumstances in the reality for a relationship to actually flourish after all.

But well, suppose that when two person's charts are very compatible - they would have lots of elements aspected with each other, so that the same transits would actually touch both of their charts. But imagine that for one person there are many meaningful conjunctions from a certain transit, yet for the other person, this transit, that also touches his/her chart's elements, aren't as strong as for the other person (no meaningful conjunctions, just a bunch of trines and sextiles). I wonder if since this might not be meaningful enough for both person, so it might not seem to be the moment that a relationship between them would begin. It might also possibly show that only one of them will start a meaningful relationship, while the other doesn't. (But on the other hand, maybe it can also show that the relationship that starts between them during this transit is more meaningful for one, while less meaningful for the other?)

But funny is, sometimes, two charts can have elements that aren't aspected with each other, yet both can still have meaningful transit aspects to them at the same time - for example, A's Sun and B's Moon aren't in contact with each other in the synastry chart, but transit Karma conjuncts A's Sun while transit Valentine conjunct B's Moon.

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