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Topic: Getting together with someone significant
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Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 12:09 AM
 
Following up on the "Meeting someone significant" thread--what are some aspects in your natal progressions, progressed composite, or transits that show when you will first get together with someone you've already met. For example:
-first kiss
-first date
-first confession of romantic feelingsIP: Logged |
Alia
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posted July 04, 2009 07:53 AM
according to magi astrology:''Whenever you meet anyone for the first time, you create a First Contact Chart. ...........The First Contact Chart is the astrological chart of the moment that two persons knowingly touch for the first time..... "Knowingly touch" can be as casual as holding hands or just a handshake. If two persons first touch on a very powerful astrological day, any ensuing relationship will be bolstered by the strength of the astrological chart of that day. But if the First Contact Chart is very weak, the ensuing relationship will be hindered by the weaknesses of the astrological chart of that day. MA lists chiron and its cinderella/MAGI linkages as most important in love IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 12:21 PM
That sounds similar to a first meeting...I mean, I almost always knowingly touch someone the same day I meet them (handshake, hug goodbye, cheek kiss.)I'm talking about, when you are already acquainted with someone, astrological indications of when/if the relationship would take a more passionate or intimate turn. For example, I met my ex-boyfriend on September--we certainly knowingly touched (handshake on meeting, light hug goodbye) that day, and then in May we had our first kiss. I'm looking for astro-indicators of moments like that--the first kiss, the first time making love, the first confession of love--moments when the relationship takes a thrilling turn into being more intimate. I'm wondering, if there's someone we want to connect with in that way, if astrology could help by showing us when aspects in transits, progressions, or the progressed composite would favor the situation. IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 12:53 PM
Then when you first have sex, the MAGI chart changs to a RELATIONSHIP CHART.This is calculated from the moment or day/night you first have sex. this chart supersedes the 1st MEETING CHART. IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted July 04, 2009 01:22 PM
Progressions.Venus - Venus
Venus - Mars
Venus - Sun If it's to be romantic. Look for harmonious aspects coming within a 3 degree orb. If it's a tough aspect, such as a square or opposition, look for when the planets will separate, and replaced with a softer aspect. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 01:31 PM
Thanks, Nine!Lara, but don't you throw the relationship chart after the sex? I'm looking for ways to know when it might be a better-than-usual time to make a move, to reconnect with someone, or to make sure to be around them. I don't know much about the magi stuff...do you find it accurate for synastries etc? IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 01:40 PM
i think Darkdreamer knows about magi...
let s see if she ll pop ini am interested in transits for reconnection as well IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 01:58 PM
The relationship chart starts at first intercourse contact and remains until either marriage or break up.Thats it! If you are looking for an optimum timeframe find one with:
no saturn square/opposition
no saturn/chiron at all if possible
a venus or neptune/chiron aspect in conjunct or trine or quincunx Look in Geo and Helio and parallels  Magi Astrology doesn't work off a 'time'. It has no AC. It works off a date. Yes, i find it extremely accurate in synastry. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 04, 2009 02:05 PM
saturn trine chiron in synastry is just as bad, Lara?IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 02:27 PM
Well its a BOND not a CLASH but it's still not great in my Magi book. Saturn/venus trine is ok IF there are no harsh linkages to it, AND IF there is nothing nastier in helio or parallels. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 04, 2009 02:54 PM
what if the saturn aspect was part of a super romantic linkage? my chiron is trine both his saturn and his mars .. thats a SRL, isnt it? thanks IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 03:00 PM
No it's not a RSLIP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 03:08 PM
This is something i found from Magi Helena who is a great Magi AstrologerQuestion: Is a Saturn trine Chiron or a Saturn parallel Chiron in a CAC considered a Heartbreak Clash? These two aspects are not clash aspects- both of these are captivation aspects. A heartbreak clash occurs in a CAC when Saturn and Chiron are square, quincunx, opposite, contra-parallel, or contra-latitude.
http://www.helenaastrologer.com/magi_love2.htm Oh, and BTW, since you are asking about two different aspects: If both of these aspects are present with the SAME PERSON as the Saturn person in both aspects and both aspects are in the same dimension (geo or helio), this would be a bi-level captivation, and would be about three times as powerful as one of these aspects alone. If each of these aspects exist but in different dimensions, this would be a trans-dimensional captivation and would also be approx. three times as powerful as one aspect alone. IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 03:22 PM
A RSL has to include
CHIRON in a linkage, not a clashVENUS
NEPTUNE It can include these two if you have one of the above.
For example -
chiron trine venus square pluto These ones don't work:
chiron square venus trine mars
chiron trine neptune square saturn SUN
MOON
MERCURY
MARS
JUPITER
SATURN
URANUS
PLUTO IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:22 PM
I vaguely remember that a Romantic Super Linkage has to include Venus and Neptune. Please correct me if I'm wrong.EDIT LOOOOOOL!!! You beat me to it Lara.  IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:25 PM
Geo, It has to include CHIRON and either VENUS/NEPTUNE- yes.This is a romantic linkage. A Romantic SUPER linkage then can add any of the others listed IF the chiron/venus is either conjunct, trine, quincunx.
IF Saturn is involved it has to be conjunct or trine. Quincunx, square or opposition with saturn is a CLASH. Saturn in a RSL is not great though. It binds but brings no happiness. IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 03:30 PM
LOOOOL!!  Well you know me and Magi... i'm just so sad that i don't have their software at the moment cos my computer HD died and l have to wait for an auspicious day for them to email me the new passwords.
ricidulous! LOL IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:34 PM
Oh, sorry to hear that. I was wondering what their take is on the death of Michael Jackson. I checked the website and they haven't put anything up yet. Are you still satisfied with your membership with them? I have accepted one thing for sure about their philosophy, anytime a couple gets married, there is usually a significant Chiron connection. I've checked all my married couples charts and it's definitely there.IP: Logged |
bopbop
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Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:48 PM
Even though it is a romantic relationship, it would be important to look at the t. sun and moon because they are luminaries; they will show what aspects of your relationship are "illuminated" at that point in time. So if the sun is in aspect to your composite (I've heard progressed composites can be iffy though!) venus or mars, directly or through another planet, it could be a good time to "make a move" because energy will be on those aspects of love and action (emotional energy that could quickly disappear if it is the moon).Once I was away from someone for quite a few months, and when we finally got to see each other again (a joyful thing to be sure ) the t. sun was exactly conjunct our composite sun! Also, saturn isn't so bad because it solidifies things... it makes promises. A confession of romantic feelings might come at a time when a person feels they can be responsible for those feelings. At least that is my experience... If it is of any help, these are some significant aspects (0 deg orb) to the composite chart with my ex when he finally confessed his feelings to me and we began a relationship (that ended a year later unfortunately): T. Sun trine Mars in Taurus and Cap (a good time for well-planned long term action)
T. Moon sextile Pluto in Virgo and Scorpio (the feeling that something profound needs to happen, oddly he is a Virgo Sun and I am a Virgo Venus)
T. Venus trine Saturn in Aries and Sagittarius (fiery love favors commitment)
T. Venus square Neptune in Aries and Capricorn (an urgent need for a solid union, but it could prove to be a difficult... and it was)
T. Saturn sextile Venus in Leo and Libra (commitment for loving partnership feels easier, the composite sun is also in Leo)
T. Neptune conjunct Midheaven in Aquarius (our "dreamy" union happened in public, on an adventure with friends) Look at the most exact aspects and where they are between the transits and the chart you are interested in on the day you have a question about, and see what pops up! Hope that helps...
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Alia
Knowflake Posts: 252
From: az
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:51 PM
ooh is confusing.. i thought venus neptune chiron were the best among linkages..but linkages were possible w other planets too as long as chiron was part of it.so did i get this info wrong?
english is not my first language so i ask for yr help! i read that: Permissible planets for
3-planet romantic super-linkages:
Sun
Earth
Moon
(only if you are working
with an exact birth time)
Mercury
Venus
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
(with the caveats)
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto
Chiron (required)
Romantic super-linkages comprised of the romance planets- Venus, Neptune, and Chiron, are the most romantic. Romantic super-linkages including Sun, Earth, Moon, Jupiter and/or Pluto, are also typically good. Saturn in a romantic super-linkage will act to bind a couple but will not bring joy, and can bring difficulties, though the whole romantic super-linkage will need to be analyzed to assess Saturn's effects. Uranus adds a note of distance or fluctuation to a romantic super-linkage. Mars in a romantic super-linkage can add more drive to marry, but can also incline a couple toward disputes
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Lara
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From: aspideronmars
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:53 PM
I haven't looked Geo but i have to email them tonight so l will ask them!Yes i am happy - when i have my software
I find it fascinating and i too believe in chiron. Chiron is fundamental, especially if exact or the most exact in the chart. IP: Logged |
bopbop
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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 04, 2009 03:55 PM
Oh dear you guys post fast! Chiron could be important? Well for the transits I was talking about, the most exact transit aspect was a trine from T. Neptune to Chiron. So that lends some credit to the theory.  IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 03:57 PM
Thanks, bopbop, that helps a LOT! I think I have a better sense now of how to connect the transits to events/influences generally. IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
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posted July 04, 2009 04:02 PM
Don't bother with transits to anything but a marriage chart.
Not worth it.IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted July 04, 2009 04:02 PM
what about if you're friends for a long time and don't know the dates of first meet and first casual touch, but then once you start to have feelings and/or are ready to be more intimate and THEN touch, each knowing the feeling/reason behind the touch.. is THIS chart significant as a first touch chart or what?IP: Logged |
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