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blue moon
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posted July 05, 2009 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn and Uranus and doing a boxer's dance in the heavens. The Opposition hits 4 times:-

November 4, 2008 ~ Saturn & Uranus both DIRECT 18* Virgo / 18* Pisces

February 5, 2009 ~ Saturn Retrograde / Uranus Direct 20* Virgo / 20* Pisces

September 15, 2009 ~ Saturn Direct / Uranus Retrograde 24* Virgo / 24* Pisces

April 26, 2010 ~ Saturn Retrograde / Uranus Direct 28* Virgo / 28* Pisces

http://www.karmictools.com/Articles/Saturn-Oppose-Uranus-2008-10.html#opposition


My question is... where does this hit your chart? Is it slamming into any planets? Disrupting any houses? Or are you not feeling this one at all yet? I'm adding in the approximate degrees so you will know where it is in your chart.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a generational influence going on as many of us will have Pluto along these points. If you are one of the many LL people with Moon/Pluto you will be looking forward to this as much as I am ....

It falls in my 10th house; I am living in a depressed economic area in a recession and looking to enhance my career. Not easy. Saturn has been working through my 10th, now I get Uranus causing mischief on the other end.

Some more stuff on this opposition:-

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Saturn and Uranus are mortal enemies in mythology. They aren’t great together in astrology either. Their meeting signals tension and irritability, technology problems, and folks who are offbeat or out of step. Issues and problems that have been festering beneath the surface for a while are emerging in a way that probably shouldn’t surprise us, but it does. The rules of the game are changing, folks.


http://www.north-node.com/astrology-articles/saturn-opposite-uranus

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posted July 05, 2009 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon 26 Pisces -- should be *lots* of fun thru next spring.....
Tension & Irritability?? Check.
Issues/Problems Festering/Emerging?? Check.
Possible loss of job during this period due to economy?? Check.
2nd & 8th houses involved -- my personal resources and others'.
What I value is being assaulted/altered by tPluto (sq nVenus in II).
tNeptune/tChiron trining nSun & nJupiter -- maybe that's the way "out" of this emotional morass.....

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posted July 05, 2009 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Totally feeling it! My whole generation, those born during the great revolutionary conjunction of Uranus-Pluto in 1965 to 1967. For example, Janet Jackson and what she's experiencing as Saturn is conjunct her Pluto for the 2nd time and moving on. The death of her brother. I don't know what time she was born, but I know she's a year older than me.

As for my own experience, Pluto rules my 6th House so when Saturn hit my 18 degree Virgo Pluto and Uranus was exactly opposite that, I heard that I was layed off, then when Saturn his Uranus 2 degrees later I lost my job then immediately got another job 2 weeks later. Because of Uranus' insane nature, the job was erratic, chaotic and insane. I was electrically fried when those 3 months were over.

While I was at that 3 months job, the main administrative assistant, who is the same age as me and has the same Uranus-Pluto conjunction, was dealing with the death process of her 100 year old grandmother. That's part of why the job was crazy. She wasn't training me properly because she was so focused on finding a nursing home and then a hospice for her grandmother. I assumed that Saturn was transiting her Pluto which often signals tremendously hard work and loss. Her grandmother died at the end of March.

My own 89 year old grandmother just moved into a full service nursing home 3 weeks ago. I'm hoping that she isn't making plans to transition. I hope no one in my family is making plans to transition.

I am happy that Uranus is going retrograde because it will trine my Jupiter which is great good luck and seems to be helping my business a little and hopefully will bring some romance into my life.

That's what's happening so far. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I won't have to suffer anymore loss as a result of the upcoming last transit of Saturn to my Pluto and then to my Uranus.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Saturn and Uranus, remember that Uranus will always win. The universe is built to break away from the old (Saturn) and move toward the new (Uranus). I think the one way to neutralize the energies is to think in Aquarian terms. Saturn traditionally rules Aquarius and Uranus currently rules Aquarius.

I never understood how Saturn could be comfortable in Aquarius until I heard a shaman speak about how air is the one thing that anchors us here. Saturn is an anchor. Imagine that...air as an anchor. It kind of blows my mind. He said it's the first thing we do when we arrive, and we do it along (Saturn rules alone) and it's the last thing we do (alone). Without breath, we die.

It makes me think of how Michael Jackson has been dealing with this transit over his 17 degree Pisces Moon. He died with Saturn squaring his ASC and opposite his Moon, but he's been dealing with both planets crossing that spot for the last 2 years, really.

How did he die? He couldn't breath alone anymore. It's interesting to note that the doctor found him with a pulse but he wasn't breathing, that's what killed him, not his heart stopping, but they couldn't get him to breath on his own anymore. It was his lungs. It was the air. Saturn air, Uranus air.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"September 15, 2009 ~ Saturn Direct / Uranus Retrograde 24* Virgo / 24* Pisces"

My Venus in Pisces in the 8th 24'33" !!

Do not tell me scary stories about Saturn-Uranus pls.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not exact, but it does hit.

Saturn at 0 Libra, which Uranus opposes and Saturn returns. Have to be careful not to have an accident or be involved with a crime, on the downside. Upside...a few to mention.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That gives me something to ponder over, thank you G.V, Zala et al.

I don't think it's going to be very nice, it's just the way it slots into my chart.

Uranus always wins. *sigh*

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posted July 05, 2009 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo, that is a very interesting idea. I like it a lot.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this transit. Uranus is going over my Jupiter right now (has been for the past few months, will do so until next summer) in the 11th house. Saturn is opposing it in my 5th.

What this transit is doing that is weird is actually happening through a relationship. I just met a person I'll be working extensively with who has Aquarius moon (I have a Capricorn moon) and whose Uranus opposes my Saturn (and conjuncts my Ascendant). In the composite chart Uranus is opposed Saturn too (and forming a t-square with mars), in the same signs as the transit! On the day of the exact opposition (Sept 15) Saturn will be conjunct the composite Sun/Merc/Pluto. So I really have no idea how this is going to unfold. It should be interesting though... I hope it won't mean everything we're working on is going to fall apart!

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posted July 05, 2009 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun is at 20deg Virgo, and this transit occurred during those days when Jennifer Hudson experienced death in her family. Her sun is also in the same vicinity as mine.

I'm over it, as in, I don't care anymore about Uranus and Saturn on my Sun. I know how they feel. So, I'll just keep my head down as I have been doing; and do ground work as I have for the last few months. I've had more work done due to this transit, even though the work had no schedule, which drove me insane.

Thereafter, better transits will hopefully reap good results from the ground work.

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posted July 05, 2009 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 05, 2009 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unmoved, would you be comfortable going into more detail about your experience?

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posted July 05, 2009 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when in November Saturn 1HR and Uranus 1Hco-R formed a T-square on my Moon 7HR (orb from Uranus was 2 min of arc, from Saturn was 42 min of arc), I broke up with someone, a month later I got in the hospital and spent three months there

in early June, I lost my job Uranus made an exact square to my 6H cusp on my last working day(the orb was 5 min of arc)

Saturn was sextile my Sun (orb 8 min of arc) so I think it was for the better, I could not work like I that anymore (at the expense of my health)

in late March, I finally graduated from college Saturn made an exact (to the minute!) sextile to my MC and trine to my ASC (orb 18 min of arc)

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posted July 05, 2009 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My NN is at 23 Pisces and my Venus is at 29 Pisces so...

September 15, 2009 ~ Saturn Direct / Uranus Retrograde 24* Virgo / 24* Pisces
Uranus will conjunct NN, Saturn conjunct SN

April 26, 2010 ~ Saturn Retrograde / Uranus Direct 28* Virgo / 28* Pisces
Uranus conjunct Venus, Saturn opposite Venus, and both will be squaring my natal Saturn/Uranus conjunction at 29 Sagittarius.

LULZ

Should I be worried?

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Azalaksh
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posted July 05, 2009 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 05, 2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bopbop~ Sure

My Sun is at 20 Virgo in the 11th house.
The 11th house Ruler is the Sun (cusp in Leo)
tSaturn was at one point cnj nSun with tUranus opp nSun. It shall conjunct my Sun once more. TSaturn will hit my Sun 3 times in total. TUranus entering 6th house of daily routines and work.

What happened.

I retreated into myself. No one died in my family, but I almost died as I was admitted to hospital (Saturn in Virgo) for lung and blood problems which came about abruptly (Uranus). I have a clean bill of health now, so no worries.

I quit smoking around that time too.

I then became more introspective and kept to myself more, to heal from my health problems.

I also kept more to myself due to the fasting I did (40 days and 40 nights) after I had recovered which was motivated by my getting freakishly sick. The fast was during the festive season so I didn't socialize as I usually do. Actually, no one saw me.

And fasting usually gets a person to think a lot about life because one has nothing to do but think since there are not many distractions, etc. and this transit inspired that in me.

This time with myself got me to discover a lot of things about myself and about the things I needed to do. Therefore, after I had done my fast I went back to my work with more discipline, better health and more clarity and frightening drive.

I work for myself, so I got to do the foundational work that I was lazy to do previously, doing preparation work for when my services will be required, making me a loaded gun now- ready to fire.

BUT, during the foundational work stage, I got a lot of interruptions due to people's schedules changing last minute, my schedule changing last minute, etc. because although I work for myself, I do not work alone. Some elements of what I do require the expertise of other people. So, the prep work was/is all done due to God's graces since everything was/is done when all people can meet. Also, everything is very impromptu because we are pretty much working whenever an oppor

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posted July 05, 2009 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has been horrible for me financially. I am going through my Saturn Return, which is in the 8th house conjunct NN and it is opposing t. Uranus in the 2nd. I am as poor as dirt right now. I had a part time job since 2007 and the hours became less and less until I finally left in February. I had school to worry about so that was okay. I graduated and...nothing. I just got a temp job for this week which help pay for grad school applications but after that??? I’m going to start selling my possessions on ebay so I can afford to apply for my NJ teaching license. I won’t be able to start teaching there until next school year anyway, if I can even find something then. Good thing I start grad school in August!

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posted July 05, 2009 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Virgo house is the 8th, my Pisces house the 2nd--I have Union at 19 Virgo, but these wallops are a little out of orb to really hit my 8th house Mars (11 Virgo), 2nd house Jupiter (15 Pisces) or 9th house Pluto (5 Libra), which I guess is a good thing.

I looked back over my journal at Nov 4 '08 and Feb 5 '09, and I had intense moments with the guy I had a crush on on both those dates, where my feelings were hurt and I decided to try to give him up. He's still in the picture, so I guess I got over it. HIS Mars is at 22 Virgo conjunct his Venus at 26 Virgo in his 12th house, and I know that he was having no fun around 5th Feb.

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I have a 19-20 Degree Gemini Rising - UGH.....Right now I'm pregnant and not enjoying my fleshy body image that much and it seems like I have put my life on hold.my job went bye bye and I stay at home more. I have done any of my stress releasing outlets for a while now and this pregnancy has been hard on me.

I have Natal Pluto at 27.57 of Virgo....don't know what it will bring. I went to a HS reunion a month back and I did have fun there but was I ever miserably depressed a few days afterwards. It brought up buried stuff from way back when that needed air and to be acknowledged. Those were tough and hard feelings....

Here is what I wrote on May 27th....what was floating around within for myself.....I thought I would write and open and honest letter about myself back in the school days. I was at the HS reunion over the weekend and had a great time. A few days after I started feeling upset and sad about something ans decided to search my soul for the answer. Something was triggered from within. Some unhealed part of myself needing air.....

I think back to those days and they were the blackest days I have ever had in my life! There was a lot of abuse (mental/emotional) and neglect at home that had quite a devastating effect on me and it was visible to those around me.....but i figure it came out in another way. I was often called the girl who was shy and quiet, but in all honesty I was extremely depressed and withdrawn. What was a person to say when their home life was a major living hell. A child doesn't know that they are growing up in a highly unhealthy and dysfunctional household and usually a child would see it as something normal when it is not. Looking at myself back then, I had no sense of self and really didn't know who I was. I really didn't have any control over who I was.

From late 1983 till around the late 1990s, I suffered through one horrible depression. Most of it I was not on meds and I was able to pull myself through. 1995 I hit rock bottom after a very bad break up and a suicide attempt. Counseling started in 1992 and more so during the later years where I had a good counselor to talk to and deal with things. I also have wonderful friends who would put me back on the right path when things would get negative. It wasn't till the late 90s when I started to seek myself from within. I did a whole bunch of journalling and heavens knows how many self help books I have read.

How long does it take a person to get over severe child abuse I figure it's a life time cause there are still things that I work on and part of me that I'm healing. Today, I am very secure in myself and I know who I am. I have cultivated my interests and developed my life! I figure I am not anywhere near the shell of a being I was back then. I may seem to be aloof these days but I'm a highly perceptive and attentive listener. I have amazing friends - even the wonderful souls from my school days! (Since being on Facebook for 2 years and reconnecting, I was shown a new perspective and a new reality.....inspired by my friends out there!)

It's sad to realize how my life was when I was in school. Even sadder because there were a whole bunch of opportunities to develop friendships - cause at that time I figure that is what I dreamed about cause I had spent soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time alone and in hell. It was so very difficult to open up about things. Deep down inside I didn't show it really but I really thought my peers were quite interesting and wanted to know people better. It was heartbreaking at the end of the school year when we would all go off on summer break. I moved around so much in school that I wanted to remain where I was attending class cause I had thought it would be best to be with the peers I knew.
Here is a small clip on emotional child abuse and it should show you where I was at....

Emotional abuse: All types of abuse and neglect harm children psychologically, but the term 'emotional abuse' applies to behavior which destroys a child's confidence.

Signs in children

* Constant feelings of worthlessness about life and themselves,

* persistent running away from home,

* inability to value others,

* lack of trust in people,

* lack of people skills necessary for daily functioning,

* extreme attention-seeking behaviour,

* other behavioural disorders eg bullying, disruptiveness, aggressiveness,

* exposure to domestic violence,

* suicide threats or attempts.

Signs in parents or caregivers

* Constant criticism, belittling, teasing of a child, or ignoring or withholding praise and attention,

* excessive or unreasonable demands,

* persistent hostility and severe verbal abuse, rejection and scapegoating,

* belief that a particular child is bad or 'evil',

* using inappropriate physical or social isolation as punishment,

* domestic violence.

Remember, the above are only possible signs of abuse. The presence of these signs does not necessarily mean abuse and neglect has been, or is, occurring. If you have concerns you should report them now.

IF YOU EVER SEE A CHILD OUT THERE WHO REMINDS YOU OF ME - befriend them and see what is going on. I'm sure they will really need somebody in their corner in their confused and hurting world!

The purpose of this note is to clear the air after 20 some odd years and to open up lines of communication. I am open and receptive to those around me. Maybe I'm going through a reaching out phase in my life.

It is nice to come to terms with a buried side of oneself that is not healed.

Thank you for your time and listening to me talk about a depressing side of myself.....I'm sure I'm gonna make a joke of out it sooner or later....cause that is what comedians do they turn their pain into humor!

have a great night all!

Possibly my Natal Pluto lies in my 4th house.....hard to say.

My 2 cent experience for now

And my Boyfriend has his Venus at 24 Saggy and he is making a lot of adjustments in his life....a new baby due next month, living commonlaw etc......

Cynn

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posted July 05, 2009 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Unmoved (and everyone else) for sharing. Abstract articles are well and good but personal accounts work better. From what you say it sounds like a great shock that encourages greater responsibility and productivity in the concerned areas of life (H11 rules group associations... but on a daily level schedules are disrupted with a H6 Uranus... that sounds def like it could be coming from the opposition Unmoved). Both Saturn and Uranus demand independence... Saturn for the purpose of of achievement and Uranus for the purpose of freedom. The two oscillate that drive in an opp, but that independence is the key.

I've read very differing opinions on Saturn in the 5th house. One of them basically said everyone was going to think I was unattractive and I'd get no love. Then another said that I might settle into a serious relationship. Yet another said that creativity would be stifled, and another the fruits of creativity could finally be put into practice.

What I'm about to do is change my major in college from art to science. I made the decision when I discovered I could combine the two subjects and they were not mutually exclusive. The idea that they were primarily came from cultural perspectives on "artists" as being allergic to math and quantitative subjects. The person who broke that assumption was a artist/scientist who was my professor during a camping trip with my class... at the time (and still is really), Uranus was conjunct Jupiter and trine my Moon in 11th and 9th houses. I finally feel free of expectations because I have direction in my life, and I can do something I can be proud of (MC in Aquarius).

The project I was talking about is related to science and I am bringing my art into it, while the other person is bring in the science. Perhaps with Jupiter's support this transit will not be so traumatic.

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posted July 05, 2009 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sharing that, Cynn.
Please keep us posted on that new little life growing in you
Being 8-9 months pregnant is really the pits sometimes
I think God/the Universe meant it that way for women to get over the fear of childbirth -- because you're ready to face ANYTHING in order to get that baby *out*!!

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posted July 05, 2009 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cynn, I lived in ghettos and homeless shelters a good deal of my adolescence. I saw a lot of child abuse, although I was never subject to it from my own family. It is so hard to see children neglected and belittled and left in dangerous situations because their parents care more about drugs or money or are just messed up themselves. I'm glad to hear that children who were subject to that can come out of it and live strong and happy lives. No one should ever hesitate to listen to the quiet child.

Congratulations on your future-baby btw!

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posted July 05, 2009 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for this interesting and insightful thread. I will have to think about how its affecting me.

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Well, this situation is very tense indeed for me, forming a T-square to my natal Saturn and Uranus!
Saturn 17 Sag
Uranus 23 Sag
Saturn Virgo/ Uranus Pisces flanking here...very tense..

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posted July 06, 2009 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi blue, didn't know much about this and read the blurb on site linked to, it's not hitting any planet/points, on 3/9 axis, and honestly can't say i've noticed a change personally - aries libra is a prominent axis for me and the last opposition after uranus enters aries may change things a bit - really curious what will be on the world scale since uranus aries has brought already many astrological theorists grinding their minds on the subject, online and on art bell, etc. some are pointing to revolts,etc. time will tell ~

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