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comica23
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posted July 07, 2009 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
I've posted this on the "Questions to IQ Hunk" thread, but I'm curious of what you guys think about this too. X3

I'm wondering that if the draconic chart represents the path of our souls, then does it mean that any conjunction from A's draco chart to B's tropical chart would mean that A('s soul) is walking towards B (learning from B)? Like if A's draco Destinn is conjunct B's tropical Destinn, maybe A's soul destiny is going towards B's destiny (or at least the same kind of destiny). If A's draco Moon is conjunct B's tropical Moon, then A learns from B in order for his/her draco Moon to mature.

Interesting is, if we draw our draco chart by the SN axis, all the positions would be shifted to the opposite side. Which makes me wonder.. For example, A's draco Destinn opposes B's tropical Destinn. If we draw A's draco chart by the SN, then A's draco Destinn would actually be conjunct B's tropical Destinn. So I wonder, if any oppositions between A's draco chart and B's tropical chart can actually show any existed connection, or at least give a kind of familiar feeling (since B's destiny was once A's destiny)?

So what do you guys think of the conjunctions and oppositions between a person's draco chart to another person's tropical chart? Also, any experiences?

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posted July 07, 2009 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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does it mean that any conjunction from A's draco chart to B's tropical chart would mean that A('s soul) is walking towards B (learning from B)?

I would read this the other way around. If my tropical Sun conjuncts your Draco Sun, then I have something to learn from you at a deep level.

Like, in tropical-to-tropical synastry, the NN shows where we're headed and represents a soul connection...when my NN is conjunct someone's Jupiter, I have a lot I can learn from him in terms of expansiveness and luck. In tropical to draco synastry, it's almost as if the entire tropical chart acts like a giant North Node...so if my tropical Sun conjuncts your draco Sun, it's almost as if there's a tiny mini-NN attached to my Sun...the Sun-Sun interaction becomes like a planet-NN connection, with me (the tropical person) learning from your deepest, most profound, most soul-level manifestation of yourself (as shown in your draconic.)

Re: those reversals--any angular conjunctions-oppositions work like magnets anyway...both energies (conjunction/opp) are manifest in the connection. For example, I have my Valentine conjunct someone's AC in tropical synastry...so in Draco-to-draco, it's conjunct his DC...

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posted July 07, 2009 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
hmm, interesting! i agreed with the initial post but now lucia, you're making me wonder!

my draco AC is exactly conjunct my ex's natal MC by 2 seconds. i feel as if i'm learning a great deal from him, but i know he feels the same way. i find his general MCness to be very inspiring. but i also inspire him to follow his dreams, and feel a great desire to encourage that aspect of him. so maybe it works both ways? or maybe being it's my draco AC, i feel on path encouraging him and in turn it encourages me? he is very supportive of me too, but less so verbally.

hmm..

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posted July 07, 2009 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Woah, what are your angle conjunctions in natal-to-natal synastry? And does your NN tightly aspect any of his planets? (Esp conjunction?)

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posted July 07, 2009 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
natal to natal we don't have any angle conjunctions unless you count 7 and 8 degs (his moon, and my venus, both to one anothers' ICs). my sun moon midpoint does conjunct his DC though at 1 degree.

my NN only squares his uranus, if we're talking tight aspects.

why do you ask?

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posted July 07, 2009 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
The feelings you describe from your draco-to-tropical remind me of relationships where we have nodal double-whammies in the synastry. I feel it in a relationship with his NN square my Jupiter (0), my NN conjunct his Jupiter (3), his SN conjunct my NN and vice versa (1).

I would actually look at a fairly wide orb (to 9, acknowledging of course that tighter aspects are far more meaningful) for nodal conjunctions or nodal DWs...I know that's not universally agreed-upon practice.

And I would consider those IC-planet conjunctions at those degrees as creating a much closer, more binding feeling in the relationship...maybe not in as overwhelming way as 2 degree conjunctions, but still powerful and noticable.

Honestly I think it makes sense to consider orbs a bit intuitively, not just systematically.

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posted July 07, 2009 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
what's a DW?

see this is where things get complicated. his NN sits at the midpoint of my moon and chiron, slightly closer to chiron. i, personally, would count that as significant just because i feel the symbiosis of my chiron and moon (same sign), and because they make several connections in synastry to his chart.

if we're going to 9 degrees, we also have our NNs trined (9), my NN sextiles his mercury (6), and saturn (9), and squares his chiron (5).

his NN also squares my jupiter (7), sun (6), mercury (2) and mars (2) (wow that is a lot of square action!) and trines my saturn (3).

are these enough or the right kind to promote this feelings, or does it have to be double whamminess?

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posted July 07, 2009 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
and yeah i agree about intuiting orbs and looking at the overall patterns at play to determine significance!

oops and his NN conjuncts my chiron (4) and my moon (11). i will be liberal with considering this a conjunction because it is the moon after all!

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posted July 07, 2009 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
DW=double whammy

I think you would feel those wider-orbed nodal connections more if they were conjunctions...in my experience, squares to my NN need to be snug for me to notive them.

With the DW thing, I've just noticed in my own synastry that I'll often feel a wider aspect than I would normally use if it's a DW, because then both people are connecting in terms of the energy of those planets.

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posted July 07, 2009 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
yeah, that makes sense to me!

well take one of our DWs: his chiron square my NN and my chiron conjunct his NN. this is probably the most significant synastry in our chart because my chiron opposes his pluto/sun conjunction by 1 degree. his SN is only 5 degrees away. we have an extremely chirotic relationship; i just found out he broke up with me because he thought he was always hurting me. but what he was seeing and perceiving as hurting me, was the exact same feeling in me toward him! we had similar upbringings and similar roles in our rather dysfunctional families and both aspired to keep everyone in our families happy, as survival mechanisms in large part (we both have venus in 1st conjunct AC). so we projected and assumed pain in one another when in actuality we were healing one another of having to feel we are at the mercy of others' feelings. we are still in the process of working through this, but it completely astounds me! also my sun/mercury/mars makes a very tight grand trine with his chiron and venus, so his chiron is very activated from that angle as well.

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posted July 07, 2009 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, that Chiron DW is exactly the kind of thing I mean...and it's definitely intuitive in some synastries to widen the orb appropriately...it depends on each natal chart, the chart/house rulers, the synastry overall, and even what you notice being manifested in the relationship.

I've been noticing lots of Chiron contacts in romantic relationships lately...I think maybe mutual Chiron stuff can add tenderness to a relationship that works...

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posted July 08, 2009 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
yeah. it definitely requires a lot of introspection though! but if you can ride it, it's incredibly healing. we also have a chiron-neptune DW (trine and sextile). very sweet, but somewhat painful, stuff. like pulling out a sliver from your beloved's heart.

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posted July 08, 2009 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia23, but in the draco-to-tropical synastry, wouldn't it make more sense if the draco chart is the big NN chart instead of the tropical chart? Since the draco chart is the chart drawn by the NN, and it also represents our soul and where our soul is heading. Also, NN represents the lessons our soul is taking, so that what's there in our NN chart represents the traits that are yet to be matured in our soul plane. And so it makes more sense that the person of the draco chart is the one who is learning from the tropical chart person. But of course, things goes both ways, so that in return, the draco person would also help the tropical person's growth.

Like the case of woah city, her draco AC conjuncts her ex's MC, so she was inspired by him and learned a lot from him. And with that, she would inspire him and encourage him back to follow his dreams and life direction as well.

Our draco charts can represent where our soul is heading, so that we might not have those traits at the beginning, yet in our tropical charts, we already have at least a bit of those traits at the start. So that in the draco-to-tropical synastry, the draco person would be the one feeling more inspired (besides, the draco chart is less evident, so that it's easier for the draco person to feel the tropical person's energy than in the contrary), although he/she can also be inspiring for the tropical person. X3


About the orbs, in the tight degrees, the sign's traits are more similar so that's why more intense, yet wider conjunctions are still felt, coz although the sign's trait intensity are different, the similarity is still felt.
For example, a 12ºdegree Aries NN would still feel a 20ºdegree Aries Venus' energy, coz there's still similarity between the Venus energy and the energy that would inspire the NN. Although NN's path is of a less intense Aries, a slightly more intense Aries energy would still inspire NN.

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posted July 08, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Comica23, your way definitely makes more logical sense (with the entire draco chart acting as a big NN, in a way, and attaching to the tropical person's planets that way)...but for some reason, in the dracos I've looked at, they intuitively feel right the other way around. Don't know why.

I guess it's yet another layer of the whole "who feels what in synastry" problem that I'm eternally trying to figure out.

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posted July 08, 2009 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
well i think of the draco chart as who the person is when ON-PATH. when behaving according to their NN. i feel stronger and clearer just looking at my draco chart, and like the lessons are contained in the placements themselves, if i choose to embody them. so it makes some kind of sense to me that it is not so much about learning-from when you have a synastry contact as the draco person, as it is about teaching or being an example of strength, or on-pathness or something. or maybe i'm just as confused as you, lucia

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posted July 08, 2009 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I feel just that way about my draco chart, woah--it's the On-Path me!!! (The me who doesn't have a whiny, weepy Cancer stellium.)

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posted July 08, 2009 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
haha, yup i hear you! actually that makes me think, though, i guess how you would experience the aspect would depend how on-path you actually are, maybe? if you're not embracing your NN, then you do have the lessons to learn in the synastric equation, whereas if you are, then i can only imagine the energy of that infuses the other with inspiration.

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posted July 08, 2009 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah I also agree. X3 Maybe when you're already developed in terms of your draco chart lessons, you might be the one who inspires the tropical chart person. After all, the tropical chart also contains lessons to be dealt with, even if its traits are already naturally there.

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posted July 08, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
oh geez

his n Saturn conjunct my dr IC (0)
His dr karma conjunct my n AC (2)
My n sun opposes his dr Pluto (0)

kinda makes sense actually.

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