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Topic: "Astrologism" - does this happen a lot?
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downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 68
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 03:45 PM
 
I just posted on a topic about Scorpio men, another where I just slam them (ever so slightly). I just realized that I have had a few issues with Scorpio men in the past (I seem to be surrounded by them) and I tend to base my opinions on these bad incidents. I do the same with Virgo women. When men tell me that they are Scorpios I think "yikes"...I don't like this about myself personally. As a result of being into astrology do we end up judging people by their sign ? We are supposed to be understanding but does this search for meaning it sometimes lead to "Astrologism"? The first step is admitting there is a problem...  IP: Logged |
Tigerlily
Knowflake Posts: 11
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posted July 08, 2009 04:05 PM
I think the more you learn about the complexities of the complete chart and how the different planets, signs and houses in a person's natal chart "flavor" the personality and interact with each other, the less you'll be inclined to judge a person strictly by their Sun sign.For example, a Scorpio Sun w/ an air Moon and fire ASC would be very different than a Scorpio Sun with an earth Moon and water ASC. IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 108
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 04:14 PM
I hardly do it. I would after I've had several bad experiences with, for example, men with Aquarius sun and Leo rising. But even then those experiences are quite different each, since those men had different charts otherwise.Usually when I ask someone for their sign - ever so subtly as it suits my Sagittarius rising and Mercury in first  - and they tell me it, be it Aquarius or Virgo, my initial response is always "Cool!". Then, I'll try to get their birth data, just as subtly. I just treat every person as a different person.
But I suppose I've learned my lesson after spending my entire childhood with my mother, also a Scorpio woman, and noticing I had nothing in common with her. Except for half her genes, of course
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downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 68
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 04:24 PM
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how the different planets, signs and houses in a person's natal chart "flavor" the personality and interact with each other
Oh, this happens if I know this as well. Moon signs can be reassuring, but to get people to tell you their time of birth...How do we know they aren't making something up? I don't know, maybe I'm just having a crisis... IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 108
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 04:29 PM
Most people don't even know their birth time I suppose all we can do is make up for it by rectifying a bit if necessary.I almost spent years trying to find someone's birth time, forgot to ask him. After a while I got bored with it because I wasn't seeing that person anymore anyway and it wouldn't give me any more insight if I did find his birth time. Oh well. Now I just don't know whether he was Aquarius sun or Pisces sun. Doesn't change the fact that he was mad as they come and that his surname certainly suited him... and he was proud of it, too! IP: Logged |
Fleurdelis
Knowflake Posts: 47
From: A symbolic tree, Earth
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 04:50 PM
I have this issue as well, but I figured it is okay, because people (and charts) tend to have biasness (by squares, oppositions and what not). Being cautious of someone because of a recurrent pattern is a self-preservation instinct.I would think that the bad qualities of every sign would be manifested in the less mature, or in lower moods of the person. If the person of the sign has transcended or accepted their bad qualities, they wouldn't be affected by others' judgement of their sign, but instead be empathic. Biasness can definitely hamper and colour interactions, but it is instinctive, plus backed by astrological knowledge. What one can do is to focus on the positives of the sign, and see if it redeems them from your eyes (and bad experiences). IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 799
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posted July 08, 2009 04:54 PM
I don't feel I even go by sun signs anymore since I've seen so many people transcend (or regress lol) away from their signs. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
Knowflake Posts: 21
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Registered: May 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 08:54 PM
I can admit that I've been guilty of it in the past, mostly with Geminis of both genders. I've had lots of bad experiences with them. However, more recently I've been trying to stop typing by sun sign. There are good and bad to all signs, and since my sun sign (Virgo) tends to get the worst rap out of all of them, I want to cut down on it. Why add to it? IP: Logged |
Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 628
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posted July 08, 2009 08:56 PM
I do this bigtime. Even as I study astrology more extensively, I rely heavily on Sun Signs and I really think basic sun sign compatibility is wildly underrated in synastry.You take a Leo-Pisces relationship with "soul mate" synastry, and, ultimately, you've still got a Leo-Pisces relationship (with Pisces laying the romance on strong in the beginning, then swimmy-fishing away and drinking too much Pabst Blue Ribbon at the first sign of adversity, while Leo scares him even further away with her roar.) I use basic Sun Sign astrology to navigate relationships with my friends or love interests. I firmly believe that basic Sun Signs give you all the info you need to really delight someone...or to really upset and anger them. When I found out my ex-boyfriend was dating a supermodel (note--ull this is still no fun)? I called Cancer Friend, who had a homecooked dinner for me in the oven before we were even off the phone. When I want to go to a random cultural event no one has heard of? I call Libra Friend. When I have some weird mystical vision that makes no scientific sense? I talk about it with Pisces Friend. IP: Logged |
vertiver
Knowflake Posts: 148
From: USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 09:09 PM
Does anyone get drawn to people more, when they know someone's sun sign. When I know someone's sun sign, I somehow fell like I have a better connection with them, especially if I think its a sign I'm compatible with. IP: Logged |
bopbop
Knowflake Posts: 49
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 09:14 PM
usually my bias goes sorta like this:Person: "I'm an Aries." think: "Oh so your sun falls in my 11th house." "Cool. Let's do lunch." or... Person: "I'm a Scorpio." think: "Crap I hope his sun doesn't conjunct my Pluto activating that dern t-square... AGAIN." "You're hot."  IP: Logged |
Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 628
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posted July 08, 2009 09:15 PM
Yes, Vertiver! This happens to me with Geminis...well, I guess it's more complicated than that, because I am usually drawn to them before I know their sign, but once I find out their sign, I really relax into the friendship and feel free to really open up. If you ever mess up or get crossed signals with a Gemini, you can come back around and start your friendship anew another time...unlike with a Scorpio, where (for me as a Leo) everything feels so treacherous.IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 399
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 09:16 PM
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You take a Leo-Pisces relationship with "soul mate" synastry, and, ultimately, you've still got a Leo-Pisces relationship (with Pisces laying the romance on strong in the beginning, then swimmy-fishing away and drinking too much Pabst Blue Ribbon at the first sign of adversity, while Leo scares him even further away with her roar.)
I find this to not be the case at all. I'm an Aquarius, I dated a Libra. Guess who wanted to be in a relationship? Not the Libra, that's for dang sure. My boyfriend is a Pisces. It took me FOREVER to get him to give a sh!t about me. I mean now its totally flipped, but at first I would be the one sobbing and clingy and he would be the one needing "space" and whatever. He has an Aqua Venus, I have a Pisces Venus. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
Knowflake Posts: 196
From: formerly Dulce Luna
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 10:03 PM
Yeah, I had been talking to a gemini and I'm a cancer but guess who was the most demonstrative physically and emotionally? The gemini. Why? Our venuses were switched....his is in cancer, and mine is in gemini. He had a very tactile Taurus moon, I was the analytical lunar virgoan. That's just one of the reasons I don't rely heavily on sun sign compatibility anymore. I could get into me and my scorpio ex who, if you had met us both in person, you would have thought HE was the cancer. IP: Logged |
bopbop
Knowflake Posts: 49
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 10:08 PM
Yeah, there is no "in the end you are your sun sign" to me, or any particular planet's sign. The stereotype that Aquarius always "wants space" or is too intellectual in relationships is very... not accurate. I lived with someone with way too much Aquarius. He had Aquarius Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter in the 11th house, Moon in Cap in the 10th house, Mars in Sag in the 8th.You'd think he'd be very intellectual, friendly and sociable, but distant at the same time, preferring a good time to anything else. And he was like that. Until he got a girl friend. He clung to her like a wet noodle, and became an emotional wreck when she dumped him, acting more like a Pisces than anything else (all of that girlfriend's inner planets fell in his 12th house, except her moon, which was conjunct his ascendant. poor guy). Technically we can act like the different signs at different times, because.. well we have all the signs in our chart don't we? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 683
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 10:18 PM
My Mom has Sun in Gemini, and she's a great cook, really into domestic security, very moody,emotional but she is also very intense,passionate, and well...has a dangerous temper. She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer, and even her South Lunar Node is in Cancer.
Her Moon is in Scorpio. When I first read the book on Scorpios because of my sunsign, I was reading about it. A lot of it seemed not just me but my mother. When I read about the Scorpio mother, I felt like I was reading about my mother. after I found out that my moonsign was Pisces, I looked to see if my mom had moon in Scorpio. I was right.
I never knew my father,but she told me how much I remind her so much of my father.
I asked her all the questions based on Pisces,and she said "Yes" to all of them.
a few years later, I found him in social security death record index. I found his birthdate, and I found out that he had Moon in Pisces just like me. He had Sun in Capricorn.
I really don't believe in sunsign Astrology. I don't own a single book on sunsign Astrology.
I think that Scorpio gets a bad rep for no reason. I don't really fit the Scorpio traits...especially as a child, I strongly fit Pisces big time. Even if people really know me on the personal level, people could easily see the Pisces in me....the Scorpio be more obvious if I am angry or being passionate about something or somebody...especially if I am intimate with a romantic partner, yeah my Scorpio shows but my Pisces Moon shows too.
I have more Neptune aspects than I have Pluto aspects. I prefer compatible moonsigns over compatible sunsigns.
Raymond
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bopbop
Knowflake Posts: 49
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 08, 2009 10:31 PM
I wonder if children would act out their moon sign more than their sun, since the moon is associated with children and more "primal" where sun is more "potential." A child would generally act more on needs and desires until self-control is learned.IP: Logged |
Peri
Moderator Posts: 623
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posted July 09, 2009 04:00 AM
yes, it happense.g. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201521.html IP: Logged |
DepTaurus
Knowflake Posts: 141
From: canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2009 04:18 AM
well sometimes i do that alot judge by what placements it is and i tell myslef its really stupid too. then when ill gou out and just hang out as friends the things i thought about in the chart were way off when i met the person and actually talked to them. so dont always believe everything in the persons chart cause there is no point.IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
Knowflake Posts: 643
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 09, 2009 12:49 PM
I talk to people all the time, it is my job. But I am drawn to the people that are likewise drawn to me.
I can have a simple conversation with any sign, but there is a point in my mind where I know that this person "gets" me, and is probably going to be around me, as in, start hanging out where I work, or actually become friends with me, and more often then not, those people are scorpios, virgos, and capricorns.
I have no logic to base this on, it just IS the way it is.
Not saying that I don't have friends of other signs, because I do, it is simply that those three signs feel more like an intimate fit, than the others. Like I don't, and they don't even have to work at it, we just click better.I usually don't ask people their birthday unless they really intrigue me, or annoy me.
And yes, I do form an opinion based on what their answer is. So I'm probably guilty of "astrologism." IP: Logged |
iQ
Knowflake Posts: 268
From: Chennai, India
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2009 04:06 PM
Am Guilty.... of thinking very negatively about Leo Men... I mentally mock them at each and every one of their utterances...IP: Logged | |
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