posted July 13, 2009 12:17 AM         

I was looking at a couple's charts that had composite mars square saturn, uranus, a wide square to pluto (which is conjunct comp. sun), and semi-square chiron. That's a freakin lot of mars squares... the only harmonious aspect is a sextile to venus. Natally the man has mars square pluto, but the woman has no hard mars aspects. In the synastry, the man's mars is inconjunct the woman's ascendant and sextile her venus... the woman's mars is sextile his mercury.

To me it looks like there is potentially an explosive element to the relationship (but I at least haven't seen it yet). I'm pretty much focusing on mars for this idea, though.

posted July 13, 2009 12:48 AM         

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•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted July 13, 2009 01:22 AM         

In synasty, his Saturn squared my Mars by 0.26 degrees and my Venus by 3. His Mars squared my Mercury by 2. My Pluto squared his Sun by 0.17. His Venus squared my Chiron by 1 degree (though my Vertex and Chiron are square natally, so anyone with a conjunction to one would square the other).

In composite, Saturn squares Mercury by 2, Sun forms a quincunx to Moon exactly (but maybe not, because I don't know his Moon degree). Venus forms a Sesquiquadrate to Pluto exactly.

We had good aspects too though, like my anti-vertex conjuncted his Venus exactly and his Moon (don't know his birth time so I can't say what the orb was). His Sun conjuncted my Ascendant by 3 (out of sign), and our Suns made an out of sign trine with an orb of 6 degrees. Also, his Jupiter conjuncted my Neptune and my Neptune conjuncted his Jupiter, both very closely. My Saturn trined his Venus by 0.23 degrees, and my Venus trined his Jupiter by 0.07 degrees. My Sun trined his N. Node by 0.06. My Ascendant trined his Pluto and Saturn, both by 1 degree. His Pluto conjunct my Sun by 3 degrees, though I don't know if that would be bad or good.

In the composite we had Sun oppose Venus by 2, and Jupiter trines Saturn exactly and Saturn trines Neptune by 1.

I'm not very familiar with biqunitiles, and I don't know if they are considered positive or negative, but in synastry his Sun biquintiled my Moon at a 0.10 degree orb. In composite, mercury biquintiles Mars.

It is a little surprising to me that there seemed to be more good/easy aspects than harsh ones, especially the Vertex ones and Venus ones, as well as the Sun-Sun and Sun-Ascendant (though they were out of sign, and he is a Cap and I'm a Libra, so the signs are square if not the degree). But maybe the negative aspects were just more powerful? Or maybe he just would've been violent with any women he was with, regardless of synastry (and he has been). Maybe the positive aspects can explain why I was drawn to him and stayed with him.

posted July 13, 2009 05:52 PM         

While one couple with a hard Mars-Saturn aspect between them might have an abusive relationship, another couple may not. It all depends on the individuals, and if they are inclined toward violence.

posted July 13, 2009 05:57 PM         

1) 12th ruler.
2) 1st ruler.

Both using synastry and also composite.
Through synastry, you will find out what type of violence (determined by sign on the 12th and aspects to its ruler) and who does it.

1st meeting chart/Composite will show the type of violence involve in that relationship.
Not done much research on it.