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Happy Dragon
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posted July 13, 2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
' Air Water Earth Fire '
The Psychological Types ~ Liz.G .. ( " Relating" was published in 1978 )

~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/elmnts.html ~

( to be updated .. there are 7 pages left to go in the book chapter .. )

for the terms 'conscious' and 'unconscious' see ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/unconscious.html ~
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shall notify here when the page is finished ..
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lalalinda
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posted July 13, 2009 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Yay! Thanks HD

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 13, 2009 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
yeah .. it was about time i got around to that ..
it's about a year since ~ blue roamer ~ requested the 'fire' data .. :-)) ( hope he's ok .. seems to have gone awol :-)

anyhow .. i just read thru the rest of the chapter ..
gets interesting as there's something called "turntypes"
which can be extremely difficult ..
i'm hoping it will answer some problems experienced by men who are more 'female' and women who are more 'male' ..
society can be a real nasty tough place for those folk ..

the 'male' - 'female' planets 'n signs are also looked at .. .. saturn and mercury being both ..
( i think .. .. book is downstairs at the moment )

"type" oppositions can be a real headache as well ..
sets up a nasty conflict within the individual .. evidently
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discussing boobs 'n fruit looks like more fun :-))
except now i'm thinking of a certain hot-fudge-sundae pic

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 14, 2009 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
an update to ~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/elmnts.html ~
.. for today .. :-) .. final bit is about the "turntype" ..
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Liz.G continues with ..

.. One can see more clearly now the inherent problem with all four temperaments: each of them sees, and values, a different aspect of reality, and each of them tends to assume that his reality is the only one. The descriptions given here of the four types are meant to be caricatures, and have been deliberately exaggerated. They will rarely be met with in the world because no one individual is wholly composed of one element alone, or one psychological function. It must be remembered that we all possess all four, but there will inevitably be an over-balance and an under-balance, and one function will be much more highly developed while one will remain relatively unreliable. It should also be remembered that by the age of thirty, most of us have at least two of these functions of consciousness developed to a reasonable degree, one "superior" function and one "auxiliary" function. The second backs up and enriches the first, so that our vision is more extensive. This "auxiliary" function will never be the opposite to the dominant one. If 'thinking', for example, is the main mode of relationship to life, either 'sensation' or 'intuition' will back it up, but never 'feeling'. The birth chart will often give a clear inference of this pattern of development through the relative prominence of a second element. We may therefore speak of air-fire charts, suggesting an intuitive thinker - air-earth charts, describing an empiric thinker - fire-water charts, expressing intuitive feeling - and earth-water charts, portraying sensory feeling.

.. Sometimes a birth chart will show a dominance of two elements which imply equal balance of two opposite functions, such as air-water, or fire-earth. This almost always suggests great tension within the individual, for one end of this pair of opposites is likely to be expressed as the dominant function and the other end as the inferior function. The psychological drives symbolised by the planets in the "losing" element will then operate unconsciously, but because they are powerful in the birth chart they cannot be avoided and the problem of integrating the inferior function becomes critical. When an element is weak or missing from the chart, the function it symbolises will usually be weak - but the individual may succeed in avoiding the problem for a long time. When the opposites are present on the chart, the problem is usually recognised early in life and continues to create a lifelong and often highly creative dilemma.

.. We are always unconsciously drawn to that which we lack, and these four temperaments are inexorably drawn to their opposites because relationships of this kind provide an opportunity to develop greater inner integration. There is almost always a great deal of projection in this sort of relationship, and the problems begin when each individual tries to remodel his partner. He is really trying to remodel himself, which is entirely possible if only he could realise the significance of his perpetual criticism.

.. If we could stand on our little mountain peaks and survey the landscape while realising that others stand on different peaks and see a different landscape, we might appreciate that the richness of life only becomes available when there is a sharing of different realities, and when one recognises the worth of another's values. And we cannot do this until we have ceased to scorn, reject, and fear our own inner "inferiority". Fire can learn to live with, and learn from, his earthy partner only when he is willing to experience his senses to the fullest, and acknowledge their importance. Earth can accept and learn from his fiery partner only when he has confronted his own deep longing for freedom from bondage and has recognised that vision is as important as the form in which it is housed. Water can learn to relate to and appreciate air when he understands that not everything in life can be evaluated by his own personal feeling responses. And air can begin to understand and learn from water when he acknowledges his inner feeling needs and recognises that human relationships are as valid a field of human experience as the world of ideas.
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.. ~ The Birth Chart and the Psychological Types ~ ..

.. It is always difficult to "type" a chart, and it usually cannot be done without some personal knowledge of the individual. In fact, if we are to use astrology in a productive way to aid the process of self-understanding, we must be able to relate to the individual first, and directly experience something of his identity, before considering the birth chart to see how this reality is expressed. The person comes before the chart, a fact which many astrologers are prone to forget. It should be remembered that the chart may as easily be that of a chicken, a horse, a building, an opera society - it is the reflection of a moment in time. The chart is not human, the individual is. The horoscope maps out a set of potentials, but one cannot say what the individual has done with that potential. And there are many important factors which are not reflected on the chart, the most important being the sex of the individual. Men and women tend to respond to different aspects of the birth chart, and will make a very different living reality out of this map of possibilities. It is not as simple as counting up the number of planets which occupy a particular element, for the specific planets will affect this tally and so will the sex of the individual.

.. Men and women tend to respond to different aspects of the birth chart, and will make a very different living reality out of this map of possibilities. It is not as simple as counting up the number of planets which occupy a particular element, for the specific planets will affect this tally and so will the sex of the individual. For a man, the masculine planets such as the Sun and Mars seem more "accessible" - that is, the energies which these planets symbolise are more readily available to masculine consciousness. The feminine planets such as the Moon and Venus seem to be more accessible to feminine consciousness.

.. As we have seen, the planets group themselves into male and female in the same way that the signs do, and the principle of femininity may be said to be symbolised both by the six feminine signs - Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn and Pisces - and by the four feminine planets - Moon, Venus, Neptune and Pluto. The principles of masculinity may be said to be symbolised by the six masculine signs - Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius - and by the four masculine planets - Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus. Mercury is an androgynous planet and appears to deal with synthesis, and Saturn, most mysterious of the planets, may be considered feminine but appears to shift from one side to the other and is also rather androgynous.

.. Many other factors will affect the balance of elements on the birth chart. One cannot evolve a formula to extract the psychological type of the individual from the horoscope. One must first experience the individual - and this knowledge should then be applied to the chart. Otherwise Jung's typology becomes an inanimate structure, rather than the living reality upon which he based his work. A good deal of intuition is necessary to see which parts of the chart have been "highlighted" by being developed in consciousness. People also over-compensate at times when they are aware of a lack in themselves, and this tendency is peculiar to human nature but is not reflected within the chart itself.

.. For this reason a horoscope done by post, based on birth data but with no direct knowledge of the individual, is likely to be a dismal failure from the point of view of psychological exploration. Astrology used in this way is an interesting characterological map, but can do little as a tool to help the individual on his journey to self-unfolding. But once there is some feeling for the individual's orientation, which must come from personal contact rather than from the chart, it is easy to see how planets in the "unconscious" elements are likely to function and what may be done to help integrate them. Certainly a dominance of a particular element will suggest that this function of consciousness needs to be developed. But it may not lend itself to such development without conscious effort, particularly if it is an "undifferentiated" function.

.. There is another problem to "typing" a chart, a phenomenon which June Singer in ~ The Boundaries of the Soul ~ calls the "turntype". This is an individual who by natural temperament should have developed a particular function but who, because of the influence of a particularly powerful parent or the pressures of social or educational demands, has been forced to violate his natural inclination and develops another function instead, often the "inferior" one, in order to psychologically survive. This always causes great damage and strong inner feelings of inferiority - for if one identifies with what one does least well, a price is bound to be exacted.
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above text by ~ http://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm ~
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( to be continued )

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( continues and ends with ) ..

.. The process of breaking through the layers which mask the real identity is not an easy one, and the individual often cannot accomplish it alone. Here the chart will offer significant clues, .. for where there is a predominance of a particular element, unchallenged by a concurrent emphasis of the opposite element, yet where the individual is not using the former, there is a strong suggestion that something has interfered with the natural line of development. For example, an individual whose chart shows a bias towards the element of water and no emphasis in air, yet who is disconnected from his feeling nature and finds it difficult to cope with his emotions, may be suspect of being a "turntype".

.. Sometimes a "turntype" is produced by something more complex than one insensitive parent. In our society we tend to assume -possibly not without historical and biological reason, but perhaps with unreasonably rigid expectations - that the world of thinking and sensation belongs to men, and the world of feeling and intuition to women. This may be true in general, and on an archetypal level. It may have been true for most of our past history. But it is possible that the division is less sharply demarcated than before, and it may not apply to the individual, who always contains all potentialities within his own nature.

.. There is reason to suppose that the more dominated we are by our biological and historical heritage, the less we are able to use the individual blueprint of the birth chart - and there is also reason to suppose that part of what the contemporary 'Zeitgeist' involves is the capacity to balance this heritage with an increasing awareness of the potential for individual development. There are as many men born with a bias towards the feeling function as there are women, and as many women with a bias towards the thinking function as men. And while it may previously have been difficult for a person to transcend his circumstantial factors and avail himself of this bias for his own unfolding, such transcendence seems to be increasingly possible as we enter a new era in the development of human consciousness.

.. The pull of the past creates its own pain. The feeling-oriented man, for example, with a preponderance of water on the birth chart, or the intuitive man, with a preponderance of fire, often learns early in life that others will consider him weak, effeminate, cowardly, irrational, or latently homosexual if his natural predisposition is given free rein.

.. Such men sometimes learn to be very different from their natural temperaments in order to "make it" as a man "should". The feeling type's own negative thinking will help him along to this conclusion, since he is terribly prone to swallow social values whole, without thinking them through and questioning their applicability to his own situation. And the intuitive type's sense of inadequacy about being "capable" will often cause him to question the value of his visions. There is then an enormous split between the real identity and the mask, and a very uncomfortable need for which one must over-compensate.

.. This also applies to the thinking woman and the sensation woman, who are often described as "butch", cold, ambitious, heartless, unfeminine, brittle and neurotic if they follow their natural inclinations into the world of ideas and mundane achievement. Inferior feeling will conspire to help the thinking woman along with her lack of self-acceptance because she feels inadequate in personal relationships. And inferior intuition will often convince the sensation woman that she is dull, boring, unimaginative and only equipped to be the servant of those with greater gifts. Such women may either become armoured Amazons, or attempt to develop the "inferior" function by playing the role of the overbearing, ambitious mother and wife, who wears a mask of sentiment and effusive emotional display over a cold and steely determination to make something of her children, her husband, and anyone else who happens to be her property.

.. Somehow one must find the delicate balance between the physical sex, with its accompanying psychological bias, and the inherent disposition suggested by the horoscope at birth. This is no mean task, particularly if those factors oppose each other. Yet such oppositions, if they are handled gently, with understanding and without doing violence to one pole or the other, can lead to a truly rounded and enriched individual.

.. The world is full of "turntypes", and they damage themselves and others without realising that the true self lies imprisoned and suffering beneath an impenetrable armour of other people's expectations. Jung's advice is to "be what you have always been", and this is the real path to inner integration and to relating with others. One of the greatest assets of the chart with its interwoven patterns, especially if taken in conjunction with typology, is that it can provide a richer, more comprehensive picture of what one has always been - which is also what one can potentially be.

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above text by ~ http://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm ~
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