posted July 14, 2009 05:48 AM         

i cannot really tell what happened,as it is very sensitive subject...related to a person of my very close family.

yesterday had made sth which i consider grosse and i never thought that could happen.

in general it concerns a sexual harassment...to other person...

what happened???

he is not like this and i want to understand what was all that.

was it sth of the moment????will it happen again??????

im very sad and shocked....

his time of birth is unknown

posted July 14, 2009 08:56 AM         

sth means - something

well the axis arent correct cause i dont know time of birth.

i though Lilith or maybe Nessus could have to do with it.but in these areas of sexuality im not very good at looking in the charts.

posted July 14, 2009 09:07 AM         

Maybe there is an interconnection between Nessus, Pluto, (Saturn), Lucifer and Venus, Valentine, Eros or Lust?

Also I think Lilith can definitely point into this direction, too.

posted July 14, 2009 09:12 AM         

but do transits pull us to do something that it isnt of our nature???that is what im trying to know.

like this person was always nice,faithfull and respectfull and now....this happened.

posted July 14, 2009 09:26 AM         

I'm having a hard time reading his chart but isn't his Progressed Moon conjunct Progressed Mars and opposite Natal Sun?
(I'm looking at the 2nd chart)

posted July 14, 2009 09:27 AM         

no, no transit can make you do something, that is not within you. But they maybe can trigger some uncontrolled behavious and take away the control-measures we usually ahve onto our lower instincts.

In each of us slumber some dark forces and we are able to do unspeakable things, it`s just up to our personal decision to NOT do those things. That is where our responsibility lies.

How dark the dark aspects of our personality are, I don´t dare to assume, not for me nor for someone else. But they are there, hopefully very deeply hidden and controlled in most cases.

I think t hat man needs to address this "dark" instinct in himself that broke free and let him do what he did.
Imo he needs to face these inner demons and make a clear decision to never get overpowered by them again, knowing they will continue to exist deep within him.

posted July 14, 2009 09:37 AM         

I once read a book by an Italian astrologer on Lilith and she also very strongly assumed that Lilith often has something to do with sexual assaults, crimes and even murder.

Of course that is not the ONLY way it can be expressed, but it is a (dark) possibility.

posted July 14, 2009 09:53 AM         

noticed something else .. t.sun and t.mercury conjunct natal lillith on that chart
( i've got the chart here now can see it better .. will continue to check it out .. )

posted July 14, 2009 09:54 AM         

P.Moon is oposing his N.Sun and P,Mars is cj his N.Sun.

what charts can be easier to read=?i can try to put it on diferent manner maybe?

DD

Makes sense yes...but it is diificult when we are so close to someone and bamm we find out that the person does this - makes me think that anyone can turn to dark side really...

HD

Really?i hope not...i do hope doesnt happen again..this will tear apart my family.cause right now only me and that other person knows what happened...and two of my brothers...no one can know.

posted July 14, 2009 10:50 AM         

Mars is the culprit.
Mars is sexual energy anyway.
P. Mars conjunct N. Sun
Full Moon by Progression
Transiting Uranus still within aspect of N. Sun
T. Saturn opposing Sun.

posted July 14, 2009 11:23 AM         

i put forward that at one end t.pluto is the motivator ..

( i don't like that minor aspect to natal lillith ..
( from some experience here with same minor aspect from t.mars
( and t.pluto will be around for quite a while .. thats why i'd say 'yes' to the potential for a repeat
'cause t.chiron opposite natal chiron will also be back by direct movement
and t.lillith will make more aspects within t.pluto's transit span i would think ..
and no doubt mr.mars as well ..

plus t.neptune will be around for a while .. ( t.nep to n.pluto that nataly aspects mars )

and at the other end .. the moon 'n mars as triggers for that particular day

bm.lillith plays a strong part methinks .. in that transit / natal set-up

posted July 14, 2009 12:11 PM         

Raymond

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posted July 15, 2009 03:17 PM         

i think Kiron is really important here...

my intuition tells me that he is suffering a lot too --- i think that he can be phsichologically ill too....

today i someone told me that weeks ago he was doint sth strange:was standing in front of a wall,"writting" with his finger invisible words,and cursing some very bad words...

posted July 16, 2009 09:57 AM         

this was the 1st time.

posted July 18, 2009 06:58 AM         

Thank You-

so is it so rare then???that is why he acted out of knownhere....

so it isnt in his true nature then?it was something that simply happened,inspite of him never acted like this in his entire life.

im very relief now.

how much long do you think he would be under this rare transit please?

i noted that everyday he acts like if all the world was against him,very nervous,very erratic,and always screaming at everybody too...so much anger so much pain so it seems.

is there anything i could do to help him?